Here We Go Again.. More Rumors For 2004
11-04-2002, 09:18 AM
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Here We Go Again.. More Rumors For 2004
I heard through a source at the dealers that the new S will have 280 HP. He could not confirm any rumor about the 2004 CL. The Premium will also be bumped in HP, but no rumor as to what. So here we go again...more rumors!
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the premium model of the tl and cl will have the 240 hp of the accord, for sure...and the S model better have at least 290-300 or else i wouldnt even consider it, acura needs to raise the bar again and raise it HIGH like they did with the CL-S when all the other cars were only 200-220 HP, the CL-S came out and blew them all away with 260...now that everyone else is 240+, acura needs to go to about 300 to make a statement, otherwise its just a waste, we all know that a CL-S stock with 280 hp will still be slower than our modded CL-S with headers....with our headers, our CL-S is running more than 280 at the crank as it is!!
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Originally posted by jimcol711
the premium model of the tl and cl will have the 240 hp of the accord, for sure...and the S model better have at least 290-300 or else i wouldnt even consider it, acura needs to raise the bar again and raise it HIGH like they did with the CL-S when all the other cars were only 200-220 HP, the CL-S came out and blew them all away with 260...now that everyone else is 240+, acura needs to go to about 300 to make a statement, otherwise its just a waste, we all know that a CL-S stock with 280 hp will still be slower than our modded CL-S with headers....with our headers, our CL-S is running more than 280 at the crank as it is!!
the premium model of the tl and cl will have the 240 hp of the accord, for sure...and the S model better have at least 290-300 or else i wouldnt even consider it, acura needs to raise the bar again and raise it HIGH like they did with the CL-S when all the other cars were only 200-220 HP, the CL-S came out and blew them all away with 260...now that everyone else is 240+, acura needs to go to about 300 to make a statement, otherwise its just a waste, we all know that a CL-S stock with 280 hp will still be slower than our modded CL-S with headers....with our headers, our CL-S is running more than 280 at the crank as it is!!
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i think honda kinda cut themselves off at the knees with this new accord, the front end of the coupe is sooooo similar to the 2003 CL-S its almost disgusting, look at the headlights, look at the grill, look at the area for the fog lights, its way to similar to the CL-S, now acura really has to do alot of work on the acura models to make them desireable again, as it is, theres not many reasons to go with the acura CL or TL over the new accord. the new acura has to be majorly different and MUST not fall short in the HP category....if they put out the S model with less than 290, its a HUGE mistake.....if its 280, thats a complete disaster...acura needs to pull away from honda again, its like a cycle, acura is the shit, then honda catches up and is almsot identical, then acura needs to jump ahead again....the new CL/TL needs more than just an updated navi, it needs a major overhaul, dont get me wrong, i love my CL-S and still plan on keeping it for at least 5 years, but when im ready for my next ride, i want to go to the acura dealer and be looking at a 300 hp coupe with a voice activated dvd navi with a 7 inch or bigger screen, i want a more luxurious interior to begin with, i want climate control zones, i want restyling, i want to be impressed!! so i guess now we all get to sit back, continue to enjoy our current acuras, and hope for the best....if acura doesnt step it up, they will lose MANY customers to the likes of Audi, BMW, Infinity or Lexus very soon. i have no reservations or loyalty to Acura, if they dont impress me when im ready for my next car, im gone.
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Originally posted by mantis23
I can't see them giving it 290 & matching the NSX...that just won't happen.
I can't see them giving it 290 & matching the NSX...that just won't happen.
see, you are right, they would be foolish to match or beat their "flagship" and "exotic" car with a CL or TL, so they need to do what they should have done 5 years ago.....MAKE THE NSX 350+ HP!!!!!!!!! that way a 300 hp CL/TL wont be in competition with it.
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3.5L 340 HP I-VTEC RWD or AWD 6 speed manual transmission with all the great options plus some more goodies...
now that would be sweet
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3.5L 340 HP I-VTEC RWD or AWD 6 speed manual transmission with all the great options plus some more goodies...
now that would be sweet
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11-04-2002, 10:17 AM
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jim, I am with you ... the Accord... jumped in price and feature to reach the CL/TL levels... heck go price a fully loaded 03 Accord V6 it would be at $30k that is the price of CL/TL and they have tons more feature than Acuras.. DVD 7" Voice activated... side curtains front and back... mp3 reader... bla bla bla.... too long to list...
I guess the best Honda will do.. is to bring Japan's Honda.. AWD as on option, slap some 3.5L with 300Hp (330HP for AWD-S)... (It was demoed in the dualnote)... The only thing that It would be bad is weight... hopefull they can keep it at 3400 lbs... for torque.. let us start at 270 lbft...
Nissan/Infinity is a marvelous competitor to Honda... I do not doubt it will have a shot of being Number 2 Japanese maker..
The price, with fully loaded options will top at $40k
TSX would be price from $25-$35K to fill in the line...
If not... I will enjoy my ride in my next S4!
I guess the best Honda will do.. is to bring Japan's Honda.. AWD as on option, slap some 3.5L with 300Hp (330HP for AWD-S)... (It was demoed in the dualnote)... The only thing that It would be bad is weight... hopefull they can keep it at 3400 lbs... for torque.. let us start at 270 lbft...
Nissan/Infinity is a marvelous competitor to Honda... I do not doubt it will have a shot of being Number 2 Japanese maker..
The price, with fully loaded options will top at $40k
TSX would be price from $25-$35K to fill in the line...
If not... I will enjoy my ride in my next S4!
11-04-2002, 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by jimcol711
see, you are right, they would be foolish to match or beat their "flagship" and "exotic" car with a CL or TL, so they need to do what they should have done 5 years ago.....MAKE THE NSX 350+ HP!!!!!!!!! that way a 300 hp CL/TL wont be in competition with it.
see, you are right, they would be foolish to match or beat their "flagship" and "exotic" car with a CL or TL, so they need to do what they should have done 5 years ago.....MAKE THE NSX 350+ HP!!!!!!!!! that way a 300 hp CL/TL wont be in competition with it.
GM has done it for years, so have other manufacturers. Not the same cars. One is a sports car, other is a entry level luxury coupe...
I don't see your logic.
Compare the C5 Corvette to Camaro... same thing... Cadillac CTS now... list keeps going...
It's not like the CLS will run a 13.5 (like the NSX does) after they bump it to 290...
11-04-2002, 11:20 AM
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I heard the CL is getting KILLED after 2003 and all 2,700 of the 6-Speeds will become collector items worth like 40,000 a pop.
I heard the CL is getting KILLED after 2003 and all 2,700 of the 6-Speeds will become collector items worth like 40,000 a pop.
Has anyone seen any data on the sales of the famed 2700 manuals. Was this number real? Did they sell out? One would think they should be sold out or pretty close to selling out by now.
11-04-2002, 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by jimcol711
the premium model of the tl and cl will have the 240 hp of the accord, for sure...and the S model better have at least 290-300 or else i wouldnt even consider it, acura needs to raise the bar again and raise it HIGH like they did with the CL-S when all the other cars were only 200-220 HP, the CL-S came out and blew them all away with 260...now that everyone else is 240+, acura needs to go to about 300 to make a statement, otherwise its just a waste, we all know that a CL-S stock with 280 hp will still be slower than our modded CL-S with headers....with our headers, our CL-S is running more than 280 at the crank as it is!!
the premium model of the tl and cl will have the 240 hp of the accord, for sure...and the S model better have at least 290-300 or else i wouldnt even consider it, acura needs to raise the bar again and raise it HIGH like they did with the CL-S when all the other cars were only 200-220 HP, the CL-S came out and blew them all away with 260...now that everyone else is 240+, acura needs to go to about 300 to make a statement, otherwise its just a waste, we all know that a CL-S stock with 280 hp will still be slower than our modded CL-S with headers....with our headers, our CL-S is running more than 280 at the crank as it is!!
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Na Jim, I can't see the Honda Accord and the Acura Premium having the same engine or no one would buy the Acura for the extra money.
Na Jim, I can't see the Honda Accord and the Acura Premium having the same engine or no one would buy the Acura for the extra money.
why not?? the honda accord and the CL/TL premium could have the same HP, thats been done before!!! look at the 1st gen CL and the accord...both were 200 hp...or even less like with the 2.3 CL , also look at toyota/lexus...the ES300 and Camry have always had neary identical, if not completely identical hp figures....im not sure off the top of my head but right now arent they exactly equal? or does the ES300 have like 5 more HP... either way, this is something that has been done before, another example is with nissan maxima and G35 sedan..both are within 5 HP of eachother, does that hp number make g35 sedan shoppers look at the max?? probably not, because the max is way cheaper looking than the g35...same thing with the acura vs honda accord..most everyday drivers could care less if their 2004 CL has the same HP as the 2004 Accord, because the CL is better regardless, its an acura, not a honda..
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Actually, I could see the CL base engine being cranked up to 240 or so and the Type S getting 280.
I talked to a dealer about the rumor of 280hp and the VTM-4. All he could say is "anything's possible". So I guess I'm going to hope for the best but prepare myself for disappointment...just in case.
I talked to a dealer about the rumor of 280hp and the VTM-4. All he could say is "anything's possible". So I guess I'm going to hope for the best but prepare myself for disappointment...just in case.
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Re: Here We Go Again.. More Rumors For 2004
Originally posted by Pappy
I heard through a source at the dealers that the new S will have 280 HP. He could not confirm any rumor about the 2004 CL. The Premium will also be bumped in HP, but no rumor as to what. So here we go again...more rumors!
I heard through a source at the dealers that the new S will have 280 HP. He could not confirm any rumor about the 2004 CL. The Premium will also be bumped in HP, but no rumor as to what. So here we go again...more rumors!
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AWD would be fantastic, but highly unlikely...280 hp is just flat out anemic....i dont care what the NSX has or doesnt have, the next gen CL/TL need a type S model with 300+ hp, period.
my current CL-S is definately more than 280 HP at the crank and thats not enough...
my current CL-S is definately more than 280 HP at the crank and thats not enough...
11-04-2002, 02:07 PM
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Well they have to give it 290+ HP and about 270 Ft lbs of torque. Who cares it they match the NSX, they will have to improve on that as well. Look at all the other car companies pushing 340 or more ponies out of their higher end cars.
And how many NSXs are build and sold. They need to make something that will appeal to the mass market, not only to those who can pay 80K for a car. And when do you drive it...lol. It snows in the northeast. I would need another car for 4 months of the year.
The Z350 is an example 35,000 and that is pushing out about 274 Ft lbs of torque. I am not expecting a touring car to handle the same way.
If they found a way to get 274 ft pounds out of the 260 V6 I would find that alone to be a good reason to buy it.
And how many NSXs are build and sold. They need to make something that will appeal to the mass market, not only to those who can pay 80K for a car. And when do you drive it...lol. It snows in the northeast. I would need another car for 4 months of the year.
The Z350 is an example 35,000 and that is pushing out about 274 Ft lbs of torque. I am not expecting a touring car to handle the same way.
If they found a way to get 274 ft pounds out of the 260 V6 I would find that alone to be a good reason to buy it.
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Well they have to give it 290+ HP and about 270 Ft lbs of torque. Who cares it they match the NSX, they will have to improve on that as well. Look at all the other car companies pushing 340 or more ponies out of their higher end cars.
And how many NSXs are build and sold. They need to make something that will appeal to the mass market, not only to those who can pay 80K for a car. And when do you drive it...lol. It snows in the northeast. I would need another car for 4 months of the year.
The Z350 is an example 35,000 and that is pushing out about 274 Ft lbs of torque. I am not expecting a touring car to handle the same way.
If they found a way to get 274 ft pounds out of the 260 V6 I would find that alone to be a good reason to buy it.
Well they have to give it 290+ HP and about 270 Ft lbs of torque. Who cares it they match the NSX, they will have to improve on that as well. Look at all the other car companies pushing 340 or more ponies out of their higher end cars.
And how many NSXs are build and sold. They need to make something that will appeal to the mass market, not only to those who can pay 80K for a car. And when do you drive it...lol. It snows in the northeast. I would need another car for 4 months of the year.
The Z350 is an example 35,000 and that is pushing out about 274 Ft lbs of torque. I am not expecting a touring car to handle the same way.
If they found a way to get 274 ft pounds out of the 260 V6 I would find that alone to be a good reason to buy it.
11-04-2002, 02:29 PM
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Well I understand the cost and I wouldn't mind paying extra for it, if I got the performance. I also understand the trade offs of having a well balanced car in many areas and a good price.
why the tl s beat out the 330
why the tl s beat out the 330
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Originally posted by mickey3c
And how many NSXs are build and sold. They need to make something that will appeal to the mass market, not only to those who can pay 80K for a car. And when do you drive it...lol. It snows in the northeast. I would need another car for 4 months of the year.
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If they found a way to get 274 ft pounds out of the 260 V6 I would find that alone to be a good reason to buy it.
And how many NSXs are build and sold. They need to make something that will appeal to the mass market, not only to those who can pay 80K for a car. And when do you drive it...lol. It snows in the northeast. I would need another car for 4 months of the year.
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If they found a way to get 274 ft pounds out of the 260 V6 I would find that alone to be a good reason to buy it.
It's hard (or impossible) for smaller engines to produce a lot of torque. It seems most companies make engines where the hp and the lb/ft are pretty close to the same number...but Honda seems to loose more ground on the lb/ft with each new engine.
11-04-2002, 02:45 PM
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Seems to be a fairly accurate rumor. The 2004 TL-S has been rumored to be coming with 280hp... so it only makes sense that the CL match since they are so similar. You'll probably see 240 out of the Premium models......
I'm sure there will be some kind of official announcements next year.... so it's just wait and see time.....
I'm sure there will be some kind of official announcements next year.... so it's just wait and see time.....
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I forget where I read it, but it was rumored to be bumped up to a 3.4 liter engine rated at 280hp. Torque would also go up to around the 250 range. This was only for the type S though, not sure about premium.
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No more Cl?
I have also heard a rumor from my Acura dealer that the CL might be no more (not sure if next year or not), and that the TL and RL will come out with much improved engines. Of course, this is the same dealer that told me they would never come out with a 6 sp manual transmission for the CL-S as I was buying my 01 automatic in August/01. The 6 sp came out some 7-8 mos later!!
As for the idea that a new cl could approach the HP of the NSX, Honda's flagship, who cares? We all know that HP is relative and two cars can't be compared solely on that number. The NSX is long overdue for a change in my opinion and is a waste for 90K. Don't get me wrong I would take one in a heartbeat, but not if it was my hard earned 90K. For that price I could get his/her C5's!!
As for the idea that a new cl could approach the HP of the NSX, Honda's flagship, who cares? We all know that HP is relative and two cars can't be compared solely on that number. The NSX is long overdue for a change in my opinion and is a waste for 90K. Don't get me wrong I would take one in a heartbeat, but not if it was my hard earned 90K. For that price I could get his/her C5's!!
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Originally posted by jimcol711
why not?? the honda accord and the CL/TL premium could have the same HP, thats been done before!!! look at the 1st gen CL and the accord...both were 200 hp...or even less like with the 2.3 CL , also look at toyota/lexus...the ES300 and Camry have always had neary identical, if not completely identical hp figures....im not sure off the top of my head but right now arent they exactly equal? or does the ES300 have like 5 more HP... either way, this is something that has been done before, another example is with nissan maxima and G35 sedan..both are within 5 HP of eachother, does that hp number make g35 sedan shoppers look at the max?? probably not, because the max is way cheaper looking than the g35...same thing with the acura vs honda accord..most everyday drivers could care less if their 2004 CL has the same HP as the 2004 Accord, because the CL is better regardless, its an acura, not a honda..
why not?? the honda accord and the CL/TL premium could have the same HP, thats been done before!!! look at the 1st gen CL and the accord...both were 200 hp...or even less like with the 2.3 CL , also look at toyota/lexus...the ES300 and Camry have always had neary identical, if not completely identical hp figures....im not sure off the top of my head but right now arent they exactly equal? or does the ES300 have like 5 more HP... either way, this is something that has been done before, another example is with nissan maxima and G35 sedan..both are within 5 HP of eachother, does that hp number make g35 sedan shoppers look at the max?? probably not, because the max is way cheaper looking than the g35...same thing with the acura vs honda accord..most everyday drivers could care less if their 2004 CL has the same HP as the 2004 Accord, because the CL is better regardless, its an acura, not a honda..
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
I agree with you on something that will appeal to the mass market. Actually, I would love to see something coming from Acura that would compete with the Boxster S. A roadster (like the S2000) with Acura's flare for performance/quality/value...now THAT would be a sweet ride.
It's hard (or impossible) for smaller engines to produce a lot of torque. It seems most companies make engines where the hp and the lb/ft are pretty close to the same number...but Honda seems to loose more ground on the lb/ft with each new engine.
I agree with you on something that will appeal to the mass market. Actually, I would love to see something coming from Acura that would compete with the Boxster S. A roadster (like the S2000) with Acura's flare for performance/quality/value...now THAT would be a sweet ride.
It's hard (or impossible) for smaller engines to produce a lot of torque. It seems most companies make engines where the hp and the lb/ft are pretty close to the same number...but Honda seems to loose more ground on the lb/ft with each new engine.
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Originally posted by mikegunnz
I forget where I read it, but it was rumored to be bumped up to a 3.4 liter engine rated at 280hp. Torque would also go up to around the 250 range. This was only for the type S though, not sure about premium.
I forget where I read it, but it was rumored to be bumped up to a 3.4 liter engine rated at 280hp. Torque would also go up to around the 250 range. This was only for the type S though, not sure about premium.
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First off the NSX is V6 DOHC ! The CL Type S is a V6 SOHC. Completely different motor ! We all agree that ALL the Acura's are due for a bump in Horse power ! Forget a V6 DOHC in our CL's, because you would have terrible gas mileage !
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Originally posted by Fabvsix
First off the NSX is V6 DOHC ! The CL Type S is a V6 SOHC. Completely different motor ! We all agree that ALL the Acura's are due for a bump in Horse power ! Forget a V6 DOHC in our CL's, because you would have terrible gas mileage !
First off the NSX is V6 DOHC ! The CL Type S is a V6 SOHC. Completely different motor ! We all agree that ALL the Acura's are due for a bump in Horse power ! Forget a V6 DOHC in our CL's, because you would have terrible gas mileage !
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the current automatic NSX makes only 252hp (def. no more than 260hp) so the TL-S/CL-S is alreday beating an nsx in terms of power for an auto tranny car..
The max diff b/w the type S and premium models will be 40hp, thats something i am certain abt so the next jen cl/tL will have a diff abt 30-40 hp b/w the type S and premium models...IMO, I think 290HP will be the case for the type S, and if its anything more than that, expect to see AWD
Also, u guys have 2 rmbr the demographics of the CL-S...i don't think we represent even 10% of all CL-S's bought (30% of all Cl sales are expected to be type-S's) thus unless Acura changes the demographics of the Cl-S to compete headon w/ the G35, , well...don't keep ur hopes up 2 high
The max diff b/w the type S and premium models will be 40hp, thats something i am certain abt so the next jen cl/tL will have a diff abt 30-40 hp b/w the type S and premium models...IMO, I think 290HP will be the case for the type S, and if its anything more than that, expect to see AWD
Also, u guys have 2 rmbr the demographics of the CL-S...i don't think we represent even 10% of all CL-S's bought (30% of all Cl sales are expected to be type-S's) thus unless Acura changes the demographics of the Cl-S to compete headon w/ the G35, , well...don't keep ur hopes up 2 high
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Originally posted by unsure
the current automatic NSX makes only 252hp (def. no more than 260hp) so the TL-S/CL-S is alreday beating an nsx in terms of power for an auto tranny car..
The max diff b/w the type S and premium models will be 40hp, thats something i am certain abt so the next jen cl/tL will have a diff abt 30-40 hp b/w the type S and premium models...IMO, I think 290HP will be the case for the type S, and if its anything more than that, expect to see AWD
Also, u guys have 2 rmbr the demographics of the CL-S...i don't think we represent even 10% of all CL-S's bought (30% of all Cl sales are expected to be type-S's) thus unless Acura changes the demographics of the Cl-S to compete headon w/ the G35, , well...don't keep ur hopes up 2 high
the current automatic NSX makes only 252hp (def. no more than 260hp) so the TL-S/CL-S is alreday beating an nsx in terms of power for an auto tranny car..
The max diff b/w the type S and premium models will be 40hp, thats something i am certain abt so the next jen cl/tL will have a diff abt 30-40 hp b/w the type S and premium models...IMO, I think 290HP will be the case for the type S, and if its anything more than that, expect to see AWD
Also, u guys have 2 rmbr the demographics of the CL-S...i don't think we represent even 10% of all CL-S's bought (30% of all Cl sales are expected to be type-S's) thus unless Acura changes the demographics of the Cl-S to compete headon w/ the G35, , well...don't keep ur hopes up 2 high
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Hmmm...why 3.4? They can get 290 hp out of a 3.2 for the NSX.
11-04-2002, 07:19 PM
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Hey guys, I don't know if this has already been brought up. (its hard to keep track of all the 04 cl/tl threads), but didn't Honda redesign the Accord before the did the cl back in 98. I mean, didn't the Accord get redesigned and the cl was still using the 97 Accord frame until it got redesigned in 2001. That is a 4 year difference before the cl really got revamped to the machine it is today. I could be wrong, but what if they were going to do the same thing here as well. Its been roughly a 3 and half years, what if they unleash a beast.