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Old Oct 11, 2003 | 04:18 PM
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Helms help... please!

Guys.... can someone please scan the 4-5 pages that detail the clutch install on the 6-speed - especially the first page which specifies the special tool(s) required for the pressure-plate install. Unfortunately the same problem that happened to me last time happened again and I need to ask Acura if they used that tool during the install. This just opens that entire can of worms again!

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Old Oct 11, 2003 | 05:06 PM
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Unfortunately I left my manual at the office. I can run up there in the morning and get it if no one has responded yet.
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Old Oct 11, 2003 | 08:36 PM
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That would be great... thanks!
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 09:26 AM
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You mean you don't have a manual?

I e-mailed you pics...
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 04:36 PM
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Hehe... NOPE!

BTW, thanks again for the scanned pics!
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 05:25 PM
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How many pages is the Helms manual for our car in total?
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 06:15 PM
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Re: Helms help... please!

Originally posted by allmotor_2000
Guys.... can someone please scan the 4-5 pages that detail the clutch install on the 6-speed - especially the first page which specifies the special tool(s) required for the pressure-plate install. Unfortunately the same problem that happened to me last time happened again and I need to ask Acura if they used that tool during the install. This just opens that entire can of worms again!

Please PM me for my e-mail.
Man that stinks!! Weren't they the ones that told you about the tool? Or did Comptech tell you when the first one went? I would find a way to ask the tech before the dealership figures out they need to cover their ass on this. Talk to the tech and ask him something like "Do you guys have any of those pressure plate tools for sale?" There was another guy who just had this done at the same dealer by the same mechanic. I wonder if his problems are related to this.
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by AgentDSS
How many pages is the Helms manual for our car in total?
A bunch! It's about 3 inches thick. The pages aren't numbered consecutively though so sombody would have to count them.
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 08:39 PM
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Re: Re: Helms help... please!

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Man that stinks!! Weren't they the ones that told you about the tool? Or did Comptech tell you when the first one went? I would find a way to ask the tech before the dealership figures out they need to cover their ass on this. Talk to the tech and ask him something like "Do you guys have any of those pressure plate tools for sale?" There was another guy who just had this done at the same dealer by the same mechanic. I wonder if his problems are related to this.
Yup... stinks isn't the word. I don't want to readily assume its the dealership error... but it sure looks like it. I will try to ask the tech (I met the guy) how they install it. The problem will be if they don't 'fess up if they did make a mistake.

Comptech told me about the pressure-plate tool and I even asked Acura 101 when I took the car there... stating that the reason I am bringing it to them was because I didn't have that tool.

EIther way... its not supposed to break!
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 09:01 PM
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you still need the scans? I can post them tonight. give me some time.
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 11:13 PM
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coming soon...
7.5"x9.5" 200 dpi enhanced printable scans. the 6 pages, plus the exploded view with torque #'s. i'm gonna be pissed if you already got em.
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 11:20 PM
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hope you're not on 56k

12-3 exploded view
12-8
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12-10
12-11
12-12
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Old Oct 12, 2003 | 11:22 PM
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we should have a Helms scans section!!!
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 01:06 AM
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forgot one.

12-2 special tools
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 03:21 AM
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I help people out when they need it with scans from my book, but you cheap bastards really need to go out and BUY the book if you’re under the hood a lot.
It’s a no-brainer to spend 65-bucks for this awesome publication.

Shawn S

PS…. It has over 2,200 pages and if hosted here it would bring the server to its knees.
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
It has over 2,200 pages and if hosted here it would bring the server to its knees.
And most likely a nice letter from Helms Publications...
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 03:26 AM
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I guess I don't need to scan it now...
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 06:46 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Helms help... please!

Originally posted by allmotor_2000
Yup... stinks isn't the word. I don't want to readily assume its the dealership error... but it sure looks like it. I will try to ask the tech (I met the guy) how they install it. The problem will be if they don't 'fess up if they did make a mistake.

Comptech told me about the pressure-plate tool and I even asked Acura 101 when I took the car there... stating that the reason I am bringing it to them was because I didn't have that tool.

EIther way... its not supposed to break!
That's a good way to go about it. Get the tech to describe the installation. Then at least you will know for yourself. Getting them to fess up might be another story. I'm sure the guy would remember the tool. I don't know of any other clutch that is done like this.
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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Could someone rescan the pics for me. I took the tranny out last night and I would like to see how they go about using the special tool. And is it absolutely necessary to use it? This is my first time hearing about a special tool needed for a clutch job.
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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Help please

Anyways, from my understanding is that the tool just evenly applies pressure throughout the pressure plate when being installed, is this correct? If that's the case, can't you just install it without the tool very carefully and torque each bolt 1/4 turn at a time. Even though it'd take forever, wouldnt it be one way of getting around from having to wait to order this tool?
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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forget the tool, remove every other bolt completely, then slowly back out the remaining bolts slowly and equally, presto. install the same way, equally drawing the pressure plate back into position.
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinJim
forget the tool, remove every other bolt completely, then slowly back out the remaining bolts slowly and equally, presto. install the same way, equally drawing the pressure plate back into position.
That's exactly what I thought. Thank you thinjim.
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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That's exactly what I thought. Thank you thinjim.
So no need for the scan then, eh ??

I can't believe some of you guys that are mod crazy don't have the helms... I'm stock and I've already gotten my money's worth out of it...
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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My life has revolved around a garage the past 5 years. Only because of the fact that I've heard of this tool having to be absolutely necessary to use to change the pressure plate freaked me out. I've must have changed over 13 clutches/pp's with my friends already and have never heard of this special tool that is a must. Helms is a handy thing to have, but the internet usually makes up for it.
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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Did you guys ever get the chance to scan the pages? It'd be useful for the swap i'm doing right now. I don't have the money to get the manual since I have to rush and get all of these other parts before school's over.
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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Got this off the Chilton library online

Removal & Installation
Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the Precautions section.
Disconnect the negative battery cable.
Remove the transaxle assembly from the vehicle.
Insert a clutch alignment tool. Use a feeler gauge and measure the clearance between the pressure plate spring fingers and the clutch alignment disc. There should be a maximum of 0.02 in. (0.6mm) of clearance for a new pressure plate with 0.03 in. (0.8mm) limit for a used pressure plate. If the height is more than the . service limit, replace the pressure plate.
Remove the clutch alignment disc.
Install a flywheel holder to aid in the removal of the pressure plate and clutch disc.
Matchmark the flywheel and pressure plate for easy reassembly. Remove the pressure plate bolts in a crisscross pattern 2 turns at a time to prevent warping the plate.
Remove the pressure plate, then the clutch disc with the alignment shaft.

To install:

Installation is the reverse of the removal procedure, while using the following torque values:
Flywheel mounting bolts: 76 ft. lbs. (103 Nm) for 5-speed transaxles or 90 ft. lbs. (122 Nm) for 6-speed transaxles
Pressure plate bolts: 19 ft. lbs. (25 Nm)



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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 06:42 PM
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You can also try www.helminc.com and subscribe to their $20 3 day all Acura subscription.
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Old Aug 24, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Is this the helms manual everybody has? I'm looking to buy it for my head gasket replacement over the weekend.

http://www.helminc.com/helm/product2...USW3EQ6JL11A5A
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Old Aug 24, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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That's the one I've got.
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