Are headers really worth the $1100? Or is it a mod that you kinda maybe feel but your not sure..

Thanks guys

Steve

 

no doubt. If you can get them, go for it Some people say that they should be purchased for those people who live above 5k in the tach but having that much extra juice on tap is worth the extra money. You may not use it ALL the time but when you do, you'll thank yourself for making the purchase. It will feel like you have a completely different car. I ran against a TL non S that had headers and a CAI.....let me tell you, it would've been hard to tell that it wasn't a type S. If headers can do that much for the TL, imagine what they do to our cars

 

IMHO,

Are they worth $1100? No
Are they worth getting? Depends upon how much you want extra power.

I honestly wish I had never gotten them. I just don't think they give you much extra power.

 

Same question here... I started with CAI,maybe next would be the mysterious 20lbft mod for $299, we will see in 2 months.

 

OK I think I will get them.. And when the mystery mod comes out, those too.. Then pulleys and what else am I left with doing??

I am getting full suspension at the same time as the headers probably.
Comp Springs + Konis + Comp Sways.

 

Tires and lightwheight rims. Ask EricL he is the guy,

But lucky for you, you are spending some $3k-$4K on your CLS...

 

GoldTypeS ... You willing to sell them?

 

GoldTypeS. U have mail.

 

Forgot to update my Sig

 

I think the headers wouldbe more worht it if they added more torque. They dont make THAT nig of a diff. But im the type that wants to get as much HP as possible =)

Spiro

 

Yeah... I think they are worth it(but I also have an addiction to HP)

 

If we add headers, intake, pulleys, "mystery mod", what Hp and torque do you think we are at?...

Does anyone know that mod that Xephyr made, that he teased us with the pic of the G-tech, what it really was?

 

I have considered it. I've raced a stock CL-S several times (tinman) and can barely pull 1/2 car on him from 0-70. The problem is, we've not run on a track. Only on the street where we have to try and get an even start. I'm going to get my car dyno'd soon and if I'm not pulling numbers near where other guys with headers/intake are pulling then I'll very seriously consider taking them off and selling them.

[ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: GoldTypeS ]

 

They are worth it if you add exhaust intake it depends on what you are looking for if it speed it takes money

 

Roughly,

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Stock: 260 HP
CAI: 10 HP
Headers:36 HP
Pulley: 10 HP
RC Mode:20 HP

Total: 336 HP dyno at the wheel should be around 255 HP
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[ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: Nashua_Night_Hawk ]

 

Unfotunately you cant add HP figures together. Other mods effect other mods. If you received 10hp from the intak, and did other mods its possible you can gain less then you would with that mod being alone. But I do think 240 to the wheels is possible.

Spiro

 

Your saying we have 31% drivetain loss???!!

Anybody know anything about transmission mods.. Strengthening, higher stall torque converters..

 

336HP x .76 = 255, I assumed 23% transmission loss.

BTW, we already saw a dynoed CLS at 236-238HP

So if we add 20lbft we should see 250-255HP

 

Adding 20lbs of torque will not give u 20HP........

 

Doug claimed 15HP max over max so let us say
235 HP + 15 HP, a max of 250 HP to the wheels.

 

250 at the wheel is a lot!!
What kind of numbers do you think we can pull 0-60, 1/4 mile etc.. with the right traction, like with T1Ss.

Sub 6??

 

Do not know about the 0-60
But...
With all mods listed above and say 250 HP to the wheels, a good launch on a T1-S tires, in a decent day (temp less than 70, low humidity say 20-30%) you should bo low 14s and around 100MPH trap speed.

Easiest to do is to get all those mods bolted, dyno your CLS, you see a nice 250HP plot, go to a test and tune session of your nearest drag strip (on a decent day), And get some timeslips

[ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: Nashua_Night_Hawk ]

 

goldtypeS I think you might have to retorque your headers. only 1/2 car doesn't sound right to me. every time I race a stock typeS i get ATLEAST 2 cars on him by 80. I tried this w/ typeSkid and we also switched cars and tried. I remember JZ having the same problem but, after he got his headers retorqued it fixed the problem. You should have no doubt feeling the power after 5000. The headers ususally just bury the needle to redline.

 

Been there, done that.

My car is either slow or tinman has a ringer.

 

I broke mine in hard, and it feels like it is a ringer.. Everyone in break in period, don't baby your car so much, be agressive, not abusive..

 

Well I don't think they're worth it unless you're always near the upper end of the tach, where the headers make the difference. For the money, the $299 "Mystery Mod" is a much better deal since you gain something like 15-20 ft-lbs. torque over a wide RPM range and that is something that would be very noticeable.

 

I put mine on the same time at the CAI AEM and I am happy with the $$$ spent.

Best thing is to go for a drive in someone's car with them and see what you think...

 

i thought the hp gain from these mods were from dynos @ the wheels, and therefore cannot be added to the crank's 260hp.

 

sometimes the opposite is true...add exhaust get 5 hp...add cai get 5 hp...add cai and exhaust get 15 hp...im not using our car as an example just that some mods compliment each other

 

You are a wise man... A lot of mods exhibit a synergistic effect. Example -- in the old days, putting a 3/4 cam on a single induction carb would only pick up a few ponies at the top, with a big bog off the line.

Toss on some side draft Webber carbs, and the car blasts off. In this case, the combined gain of the two (together) was far greater than the individual gains relative to stock!

(More examples -- like compression and valve area to port size ratios come to mind...)

 

definetly not worth it when a acura_crazy without headers beats us

 

True, but there are other factors involved. If we are going at a constant speed, and we floor it, no doubt i pull on him. He took me off the line, and thats why he won. Maybe I need to learn how to take off better.

Spiro

 

I've never seen pulleys give u 10hp alone.. I agree with Spiroh that all the mods Nashua listed put together might net 240hp at the wheels but 250+hp is hard to attain.

[ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: e1828 ]

 

When I get my pulleys in, Im going to dyno my car again. We'll see hwo it turns out.

Spiro

 

Get the headers !! Look at the dyno #s, they don't lie. Our peak H.P. of 260 doesn't come in until 6100 rpms. So these arguments about having to go up in the rev range to get peak H.P. with the headers is silly. We have to go there either way to max out. I'd rather have 290 or so at 6100 any day. And you CAN feel the difference after VTEC, JUST HOLD ON !

 

Yup what he said.. Plus its like a building block for other mods... intake/exhaust/headerz = better engine breathing.... changes the power output (shifts actually) so more tuning w/other mods can be done

 

The first time we raced, my car was 100% stock, except for the H&R springs, removal of the air filter's lower resonator and removal of the plastic engine covers for cooling. The last time we got together, I had that cheesy homemade ram-air tubing (aka clothes dryer tubing), a K&N drop-in filter and I'd switched to Red Line oil. That's all I've done to the car so far.

Personally, I didn't think it was a matter of my car being faster than average but rather that your car needed some *very minor* tuning gremlin worked out (spark plugs?). Keep us posted on the results of your dyno runs...

 

Yep! Yep! Yep! What the "Redman" said! After the "affordable" mods, if ya got da $$$$, get da headers! Since I got my headers installed, I can really scare myself when I'm in VTEC-land. Plus, I really like saying to myself, "Er, self, I got headers in this ride!"

[ 08-29-2001: Message edited by: technoid ]