StreetKA

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btw is it hard to hook up 6 speed tranny with ody motor?

civicdrivr

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Itll bolt up.

phee

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power output has nothing to do with tranny longevity, its heat buildup that kills the clutchpacks.

phee

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i would never sell a car thats worth 7k after putting 5k into it

phee

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its hard to sell a car with an engine swap anyway

StreetKA

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more power more heat. same shit.




btw we still can edit our posts up to 5 min

civicdrivr

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^^ 15mins now.

See?

97BlackAckCL

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if your car was a 6 speed i would buy it

pits200

Hey, I'll sell it to you for $5k and you can put $2k into it and do the 6 speed swap. But I guess if the car was a 6 speed, Id definitely be keeping it.

As for trying to sell a car with an engine swap, I understand that would be a hard sell for a more expensive car. (i.e over $10k) But being that my car is getting into the low income bracket (i.e under $5k) I am pretty sure there will be some people who will overlook certain things on a car if they really want it especially since under $5k can't buy you much, just like people who buy salvage cars. I would never buy one, but Im just saying.

Eh, Im not trying to pawn my car off on anyone because after this engine swap I do think Im really going to love driving the car again. Prior to all this stuff happening 6 months ago, I loved driving my 01 CL-S more than my 08 TL and more than my wifes 04 g35.


Thanks again to everyone who gave input on this topic.

actech

even with one plug smashed the car should still run,if you take 2 plugs out the car still runs ,just not so good

pits200

It may run with a plug smashed but not if it got smashed from a valve dropping off into the cylinder and seizing up the engine, lol.

I know these engines can handle a lot but that would be amazing.

phee

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omg... yea. and a car will only run with three tires too, sure, you will fuck up the hubs; but it runs.

how about no windshield? u dont really need it either

Jacobpockros

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umm, he already has the odyssey engine....

pits200

The biggest reason for getting the Odyssey engine is that it was the same price as the CL-S engine. After talking to e30cabrio and learning that barely any modification is needed to make this engine fit, I figured why not since the labor is the same price whether I install the CL-S or ody engine.

Hopefully the car will be up and running sometimes this week, I just finished changing out the engine wire harness, manifold and throttle body. The rest of the work is in the dealers hands, so I'll have to wait and see.

The engine has 78k miles on it, Im wondering if I should pay one of the techs some money on the side to do a valve adjustment while the engine is out of the car or if that is a waste of my money.

pits200

Ok, update. The car should be done on Wednesday, the tranny was a direct fit to the Odyssey engine.

The things that had to be done to get the Ody engine to work are as follows:

1.) Replace the engine wire harness from the CL-S and put it onto the Ody engine. This will allow you to use the CL-S plenum and the IMRC on the Ody engine along with the CL-S ECU.

2.) Thermostat housing has to be swapped from the CL-S to the Ody engine due to one pipe being different, I'm not exactly sure what pipe it was but I'll take a picture of it when I get the car back.

3.) They told me that my CL-S crank pulley will not work on the Ody engine, Im not exactly sure why but I'll also find that out tomorrow.

4.) I used the CL-S throttle body because there is a different connector on the top of the Ody throttle body that wont connect with the CL-S engine harness.

I am wondering what kind of power I'll make with this setup. The Ody engine is 240/242 stock but that is with the Ody ECU and without the CL-S plenum.

So I'm curious how this will all turn out.

On a side note, I think I will be able to use 87 gas now because of the lower compression, lol.

civicdrivr

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Im curious how the CL-S ecu will control the Odyssey heads.

pits200

Hmm, do you think Im going to run into big problems??

friesm2000

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what year ody motor again???, but anyway probably a single belt pulley, where it drives everything including the P/S with just one belt (like the newer TL's)

Jacobpockros

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You'll definitely feel more torque that's for sure. The Oddy Engine is designed for a 6,000 lb car. You should make a 0-60 video when it's done. Should be fast

pits200

I hope it has more torque, but don't forget the hp/torque numbers are not effected by the weight of the car. So the 3.5 engine is 240/242 stock whether it's in a tank or a motorcycle but you are correct that the lb/hp ratio will be much better in my car compared to the odyssey.

pits200

Got the car back and the first thing the tech said who worked on the car was that it is now a torque monster. (I'm not sure if he was just being nice but he has an STI so he knows what torque is)

But he said the car pulls like hell and so I took it on a 70 mile test drive and from 0-10 the car doesn't seem to pull much harder, but from everywhere else, it seriously pulls like a beast and this is minus my ur crank pulley plus all my other mods.

So far, it seems like i have no need to downshift into 3rd on the highway when I would other times... Now dropping it into 4th is more than enough when before I felt it was lacking power.

I did a few high rpm runs and for some reason the car shifts so much better and smoother, not sure why but it seems great.

Overall, I am completely loving the car, the alignment seems to be off, not sure how but I'll get that figured out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McWXRHX98Ec

Here is a quick 40-70 run.

civicdrivr

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Congrats! Welcome to the torque club

Still planning on selling it?

Jacobpockros

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Who told you it would have more torque

pits200

Ha, yes it was you jacob that said so about the torque and I did make a 0-60mph vid but I forgot to turn off the VSA so I don't know if it turned out good or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEtYH7yznbA

Just if some of you wanted to know total damage was $2100 including the new engine.

civicdrivr

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Not a bad price.

Jacobpockros

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I just timed that with a stop watch and you did it in 5.583

That is very damn impressive

pits200

I know that wasn't a good run either, you noticed the VSA light flashing a few times which bogged the engine down a little.

I'd also love to get another crank pulley but I'm not sure which one to get since my old one doesn't work and I'm pretty sure they don't make a Honda Odyssey crank pulley for the people who want to race mini vans.

I wonder if there is a cross reference between the Ody and a newer TL???

Any input would be great on this.

EDIT:: I just looked up the part numbers for the 2001 CL-S crank pulley and the 2003 Odyssey and they are the same? Wouldn't that mean that the crank pulleys definitely should have been interchangeable?

13810-P8A-A01 Odyssey

13810-P8A-A01 CL-S

friesm2000

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talk to nva-av6 he makes a spacer so you can still use your old pulley (since i think what the dealer is referring to is the shorter snout on the ody crank)

pits200

Ah ok, that'd be nice because after having my crank pulley installed for so long on the old engine, I definitely notice a difference in the responsiveness of the revs.

civicdrivr

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It should just bolt right up. The 02-04 Odysseys were gen1 of the J series, so the crank is the same length (hence the reason we can drop it in the J32A blocks with no issues).

DC3328

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yea Jcharged put his pulley on his j35 block no problems

congrats on the upgrade, swaps ftw

Jacobpockros

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I wasn't being sarcastic fyi

5.5 seconds is faster than a Stock 6-Speed

friesm2000

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however you look at it though, it should not be much of an issue to get it installed though, maybe a couple of extra $ if neccessary, and should not be anything over like $20 or so

friesm2000

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anyways LMFAO, look here:
http://www.hondapartsunlimited.com/i...&submit=submit

then click on the pulley, so part # 13810-P8A-A01

then go here, and search that part number (should be already done anyways)
http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/...1=&inputstate=


and it tells you what it fits, but anyways it's the SAME FUCKING PART NUMBER , don't know what the dealer was smoking though

civicdrivr

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No extra money needed. Just bolt the damn thing up.

pits200

Ya, Im a little annoyed now that it wasn't installed prior to the install. I know its not a hard procedure but obviously its much much easier when the engine is out of the car.

Ughh, I can't ever win and get someone to do things right from beginning to finish.. Now my A/C compressor line just blew outta the compressor and sprayed the refridgerant all over the place..

Why oh why, if the rest of my life wasn't going pretty good, I'd say someone put a hex on me.

civicdrivr

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The fuck????

How the hell does the AC line burst? Did the mechanic have it twisted?

pits200

The actual hose didn't burst. If you look down under the alternator, the hose literally blew out of the compressor. I can see a rubber o-ring at the connector that goes into the compressor and the hose is just dangling and all the liquid has dripped out.

I actually took the car in yesterday morning because the A/C wasn't working and they said that the connector for the compressor was missing and so they just hardwired it and after that everything was working fine. (My A/C was working fine prior to this install, so I know the connector was actually there) That was until 3pm yesterday when this happened.

I have no idea

zeta

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That's what I'm afraid of!^^

Hang in there pits!

Actually, your T-Belt thread inspired me to do my timing belt, and to boot, a valve adjustment and all went well. It was about, owe 102F, with humidity factored in, but I got it done. Just for shits and giggles, I talked to a Master Tech at one of the Acura dealers, and he confirmed that the bolt that secures the timing belt adjuster pulley is in fact 19lbs-ft. I remember you had posted that torque value in your TB thread; however, I HAD to confirm or it woud of driven me nuts, so thanks for that effort.

pits200

Thanks Zeta, glad to hear you tackled the T-Belt job on your own. Nothing like knowing that the job was done without shortcuts and was done the right way. I truly did not want to take my car in for the T-belt change, I wanted to do it on my own. But at this point in my life, the wife and I have owned a townhouse for 2 years and its a perfect beginner place, but it is sorely lacking garage space.

Therefore, I can't do any above average difficulty jobs in my driveway because my neighbors would throw a hissyfit if I pulled my car apart in the open. The greatest thing is, most of the older male neighbors love me, they come over and bs with me while I do brake changes or oil changes on the car, they love a hard working young kid. (Even though I'm 30, I'm a young buck to them) Its the old lady wives who give me the stink eye if I have a spec of dirt on the driveway.

Anyways, I'm over being frustrated, I'm financially sound and just don't want to throw in the towel after all this work.

Sidenote: Look into buying Curis (CRIS) its a biotech stock and I'm glad you verified that torque spec, lol.