yungone501

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Just thought I'd throw these guys in the mix of the J-series. Have seen these cams available for quite some time but still haven't seen any talk or interest in them...anybody?

http://www.gude.com/Products/camlist.php#acura

gerzand

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I spoke to Bill Gude about a year ago regarding these. On a side note, im interested in something you had for sale but just got on here to shoot you a PM with questions and saw your post. Give me a call if possible 330-532-8896

yungone501

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Will do sir.^^^

Spoke with the same guy yesterday afternoon and just wanted to let everyone know these guys will regrind your cores to any specs you want and that the cam allows for $540. I was told that price is for BOTH cams. Guy knew his stuff too. Check em out...

njlakeshoreg

can you run these cams without adding a stand alone?? and if you can is there any real power to get without tuning??

yungone501

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I would say maybe the two cams with the docile specs they have listed in the link I posted but you should ask them just to ensure before purchasing. Our cams (j32a2) have a maximum lift of .241" and at a 1.6 rocker ratio that's a total of .385" lift. The two cams shown are .400" and that equates to almost .5mm added lift from stock...which is right near the difference of the A2 and the J32A3 cams. It could easily add 10-20hp by guesstimation. :-)

Curious as to why you wouldn't want tune the engine after adding a cam though? I'm not to familiar with the aftermarket ECU's on our engine but you might be able to tune with a piggyback system given its able to advance timing.

richardparker

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Did you figure the rocker ratio yourself.
I'm pretty sure the rocker ratio is 1.7

yungone501

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No, I actually read that a few times here and there in different forums and figuring most cars are 1.6 it sounded just about right. If it was a 1.7 ratio then that would make our max lift already at .400" which would mean that Gude is just selling cam cores and calling them regrinds.

Sonnick

Good catch. I remember Gude made something for the F series awhile back. They claimed 50whp from a head/cam package. I could never wrap my finger around it. Not a bad price considering the Type S cams are $450 and Bisi's $710.

yungone501

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Type S cams are $550 from most online wholesalers but yeah, I'd say purchasing Gude's cams over Type S cams would be the logical thing to do. Especially since Gude allows you to pick your own lobe profile. The guy told me flat out that they have never experienced any issues with premature wear unless they were installed incorrectly and/or used with misadjusted rockers. Even though I've already purchased the type s cams for my current build, I think I may just give these guys a chance.

Sonnick

^ If you don't dyno before/after, I'm gonna come down to Texas and slap you with Parker's gold tips.

richardparker

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laughing over here.
going to burn another one.

yungone501

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That would be there best use yet.

Atlas.46

I have a extra set of J30a4 cams Sonnick. ..

1foxbody

I actually spoke with Billy today about getting a set and boring out the oem throttle body.

I've also been thinking about getting a set of bismoto or gude performance cams. BUT the only thing that scares me away is if I would HAVE to have it tuned or not? I'm hoping I could get away with keeping the stock ecu if not, I wouldn't do it because it's not worth the hassle.

The guy a gude performance said I could run the oem ecu but that's just his word. Who really knows...

gerzand

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youve found the right guy on FB. LOL

1foxbody

Lmao I had to bust his balls!!! Especially when he said the skunk 2 adjustable cams gears lol!!

yungone501

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Don't fear the tuning aspect of it Fox. Do your research first though before buying a FIC/EMS system and ensure there is a local shop that can tune your car USING the controller you bought. And I do mean local. Having to drive long distances to have your car tuned frequently is such a pain. Or, have fun with it and do your own tuning... ;-)

And as for running the cams on your factory ECM, I don't see why not. These ECM's are very precise in their adjustment capabilities. Just make sure you have a dual wideband setup, higher sensitivity knock sensor, and those alone should give you good protection. Given that your fuel trims never max out, you should be fine running a smaller aftermarket cam. That is unless you go all wacky on us and run something like Andy does...

Btw Andy, where's that beautiful work of art you showed me...I'm gonna post it if you don't! :-)

1foxbody

Well I had a aem fic but I sold it because I didn't want to run into any problems or ruin how the car runs like it's 100% stock with the oem ecu. I have access to a dyno less than 20 minutes from my house and my best friend that owns www.rameybuilt.com could tune it. But I've heard nothing but problems tuning our car and I don't want to deal with that.

I do have a dual wideband setup but that's beside the two oem o2 sensors. I still have the oem knock sensor also. I would only do the upgrade if I can still run the oem ecu for those reasons. I know it might not make every last hp because of it but I'm perfectly fine with that. I rather sacrifice a little power and adjustability for reliability. I just want to know has it been done and does it run okay? It would be nice to make 300whp n/a!

johndo18

I hear what your saying foxbody. It seems like you get to a point to where HP/dollar gets skewed. Having to buy a emanage or fmic plus getting it tuned your looking at almost 1k for just some extra HP, and that's on top of getting the cam regrind

brian6speed

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Won't you still be limited by the intake/tb and exhaust since it basically comes down to getting air in and out of the engine. I would put my money into a set of custom equal length long tube headers, dual tb IM, and single straight back 3" exhaust before doing internals.

1foxbody

I wouldn't mind spending the money on cams, valve springs, and retainers if there was a noticeable gain in power while still running the oem ecu. Of coarse I would bore the oem throttle body, port the intake manifold, and port the runners. I know my exhaust is plenty enough if I did those mods. Hopefully then I can easily make over 300whp n/a. Then to top it off I have my nitrous lol.

yungone501

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^^^
I'd say there would be a very respectable gain with aftermarket cams even running factory ECM. As long as valve overlap is not taken too far, the ECM can make some decent power gains...although higher fuel pressures/larger oem injectors may be required on anything above 280-300hp. Too much valve overlap throws off the stock MAP sensor and causes excessive fuel to dump into cylinders. That being said, there obvious limitations for camshaft profiles and therefore power capabilities of the motor itself. That doesn't mean a mild duration cam along with larger lobe lift can't generate anywhere from 20-40hp IF intake/exhaust is not restrictive in any way. If you think about it, that's generally the basis you see for 280whp+ builds seen in the J series community's.

1foxbody

I understand what your saying 100%. My afr's n/a were very good when I made 279whp and 238wtq. If I did get cams they would just be a mild set, nothing too aggressive. Hopefully the ecu can compensate them properly. I doubt the injectors are maxed out with only bolt ons since it's still a 3.2L.

I'm pretty confident my intake and exhaust are well on the good side. If I gained 20-40whp I would be so damn happy lol! No bullshit that's what other j series guys are gaining about? If so I think I'm going to do it!

yungone501

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Then yes, I believe you'll see some pleasing results.

The 20-40hp range was just a prospective range based on an engine with free flowing intake and exhaust that IS being limited from the dinky little .385" lift the J32A2 cams come with. That figure was solely based off of a combination of my knowledge on engines in general as well as the J series in specific, claims/dyno data collected from others I've read about, my experience and lastly my opinion. If ANY of the J-series heads would accept a large lift cam (.500" after rocker ratio adjusted and above), I'm willing to say we would see numbers of 375-450hp and that's ONLY because they're easily making 300hp on such a small small cam and stock heads. These heads are obviously a very free flowing design and have heard such numbers as 300cfm's which is damn near the territory of a set SBC AFR cylinder heads which flow around 325-350cfm's....that's amazing.

Now imagine a fully ported and polished set of J series heads with a larger lift cam. To me, 375hp alone sounds like any easy number to hit if it was being ran on a standalone unit to increase the rev limit thus allowing the cams/heads to do their job.

Sonnick

^ I would agree. Think about it...we have several J30/32 variants making 270-280whp with bolt ons & no tune. I'd expect a solid 10-15whp alone with a good tune. That's already 285-295. Add in some cams, which, let's be conservative and say 20whp gains from cams/retune. That's already 305-315whp, and hopefully with some additional RPM (7200). That would equate to a low low 13 second pass on street tires @107-108mph in a full weight Accord/CL/TL with room to spare. With slicks mid 12s.

We already have guys pulling 8.6-8.8s in the 1/8th on street tires with traps from 82-85mph with bolt ons only. We already have some low-mid 13s from several people (and even more with the potential to). Let's give the J series some love people!

brian6speed

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The j series gets love, just not in acura vehicles.

1foxbody

Well it looks like I'm going to pick my self up a set of cams, valve springs, and retainers! I just have to decide which level I want to buy.

On a side note since were on the subject my dad just picked up his cam package from the speed shop today. His cam has a .625 lift for his LS2 engine. My friend also made a custom lifter valley cover on the water jet machine at his work for it yesterday. Here's a couple of pictures enjoy.

yungone501

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Btw Fox, who did you decide to go through on the cams?

1foxbody

Lol I'm not sure what level and who to buy them through yet. I'm leaning towards bisimoto. Gerzand had nothing but good to say about them. He's the only person that I know of and who even has cams for a j series lol. Theirs not many people with reviews to base a decision off of.

yungone501

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Well, I'm in agreement with using products that have good reviews and feedback. But you never know how equivalent (or better) others can be unless you use them.

Listen man, what I'm really saying here is this: if you have the BALLS to push a 150hp shot through a stock motor, then you should atleast try Gude's cams and let us all know if they're good or if they suck! ;-)

1foxbody

I'll keep you updated on what I decide to do. I would like to do this mod over winter. I'm in no rush.

fsttyms1

You want more power, get at minimum the 09 tl intake manifold and a larger tb. Boring the stock tb out is pointless, you can't bore it enough to get good gains. Hell the crowd out there now is doing dual stock tb's. These motors NEED air, and with a set of cams and upgraded springs I bet serious gains can be had (especially with a standalone to raise redline)

brian6speed

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You can get over 300whp with a pointless bored stock tb, stock internals, bolt ons, and a tune.

Is that really the pointless/not worth the money part?(I paid 150 total for my tb already bored)

There are so many people who upgrade all the internals, spend thousands, and are restricting themselves with the intake/exhaust/no tune.

I would think getting a stand alone(AEM) to work with our setups would be the top priority. Easy for the guys with auto motors mated to manual trans. Not so much for us with manual motors with wrong sensors. I have been waiting/hoping someone would post info/results on doing this but I doubt that will happen. Been years already.

1foxbody

I would definitely consider doing the duel oem throttle body setup because then I would be able to keep cruise control lmao!!!

I'm already at 280whp and 238wtq n/a with only bolt on's and oem ecu. I'm sure I could pick up 30+whp with cams, ported lower runners, ported manifold, mdx velocity stacks, and ported oem throttle body. I wonder how much more the dual throttle body setup would really gain over doing that setup...

Sonnick

^ No one knows because it hasn't been dyno'd yet. I'd have to guess it would give you a solid 15-18whp considering you are fully bolted. Remember, I gained 15whp/6wtq from the 3.7 manifold (lower ports matched to the OEM gasket, which matched the polished runners) and bored 3.7 TB. I think the dual TB setup has a few more ponies in store than the 3.7 setup. However, we can't be sure unless it's tested.

If you are going for an all motor build, the stock TB is definitely a hindrance, even bored. You will gain more from cams with a larger Intake/TB/Manifold opening. With a free flowing intake/exhaust, I wouldn't be surprised to see 25whp gains from cams/tune.

fsttyms1

My yes paying to have the stock tb bored out is pointless, you can buy larger tb's which will give you far more air for about the same price. Manual motor guys can run it too, you just need to swap out 2 sensors and an engine harness. I'll be swapping over this winter when I get my motor built.

fsttyms1

Cruise can be kept with a aftermarket tb it takes a little fabrication but it can be done. I made it work on a 80mm tb I was playing with on one of my manifold designs

1foxbody

Damn well that's nice to know. I need to figure out something over winter. I just don't know what I would do with the neck on the intake manifold if I did get something similar to that size. Any pictures of your setup?

fsttyms1

No, not at this time. I started a new one but its just collecting dust on the work bench till I have time this winter to fab it up. I'm doing a dual tb.

You wouldn't have to do anything to the neck on the manifold if you got a 09, it already has a 76mm opening. Just get a 76mm tb to go with it

1foxbody

I understand. So why are you doing the dual throttle body setup if you have the 80mm?

What's the stock bore on my j32a2 throttle body and manifold? Does the 09 manifold match my lower runners?