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05-08-2001, 09:43 AM
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Get out the BS meter, and an vomit bag.
From Bose's FAQ on their website regarding their OEM car audio products.
Why can’t I get a list of technical specifications?
Because our custom-engineered, complete system solutions largely supersede conventional audio measurements. Even some basic building blocks have been redefined -- including amplifiers, speakers and equalizers. But most importantly, everything is integrated and works together for results that vary significantly from those provided by conventional systems made up of individual, unmatched components. For example, with a Bose automotive system the location and design of the speakers can be much more important factors in determining the output than the wattage power rating. The bottom line? The best tests of a Bose system’s sound quality aren’t a list of specifications, but your ears.
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Why can’t I get a list of technical specifications?
Because our custom-engineered, complete system solutions largely supersede conventional audio measurements. Even some basic building blocks have been redefined -- including amplifiers, speakers and equalizers. But most importantly, everything is integrated and works together for results that vary significantly from those provided by conventional systems made up of individual, unmatched components. For example, with a Bose automotive system the location and design of the speakers can be much more important factors in determining the output than the wattage power rating. The bottom line? The best tests of a Bose system’s sound quality aren’t a list of specifications, but your ears.
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05-08-2001, 10:08 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rock Dog:
For example, with a Bose automotive system the location and design of the speakers can be much more important factors in determining the output than the wattage power rating.
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For example, with a Bose automotive system the location and design of the speakers can be much more important factors in determining the output than the wattage power rating.
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05-08-2001, 10:24 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Big_Pimp's_Type_S:
I think imaging is very important and I do hope that Bose spends their time pointing the speakers into the direction of the driver to create all around sound. Bose is not the best factory system out there, but deffinetly very worthwhile. While our system is not very loud and could use a subwoofer, it is still highly quicklity sound throughout the power band.
Originally posted by Rock Dog:
For example, with a Bose automotive system the location and design of the speakers can be much more important factors in determining the output than the wattage power rating.
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For example, with a Bose automotive system the location and design of the speakers can be much more important factors in determining the output than the wattage power rating.
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05-08-2001, 10:55 AM
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I think there must be something wrong with your stereo. I hear plenty of highs in my car, in fact I have the treble control almost flat. I do have the bass control turned up several notches though even with a subwoofer.
What I hear is a clean sounding stock stereo. Vocals are clear and defined, Bose put emphasis on the mid-range in the CL stereo, thats for sure. Now, Imaging and soundstaging are two things that are hard to detect and define in the small confines of a car. There is very little placement of sounds, especially at higher volumes, You are just surrounded in sound.
Overall, for a stock system I think the bose sounds fine. You would have to spend a lot of money on Eclpise, Alpine, Fosgate, etc... to drastically improve performance.
Its no Levinson, but it's not a $5000.00 option either!
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What I hear is a clean sounding stock stereo. Vocals are clear and defined, Bose put emphasis on the mid-range in the CL stereo, thats for sure. Now, Imaging and soundstaging are two things that are hard to detect and define in the small confines of a car. There is very little placement of sounds, especially at higher volumes, You are just surrounded in sound.
Overall, for a stock system I think the bose sounds fine. You would have to spend a lot of money on Eclpise, Alpine, Fosgate, etc... to drastically improve performance.
Its no Levinson, but it's not a $5000.00 option either!
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05-08-2001, 11:27 AM
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There's an old adage from all the audiophiles out there. "Bose Blows"
Unfortunately, Acura chose to use Bose for their speaker/sound choice. Acura bought into all of Bose's millions of dollars of 'research' into how to effectively market an ineffective system. A set of Energy Take 5's will blow any of the Bose surround systems out of the water and at $600/set, there's no comparison...but I digress...
I've heard the system in my friends car. It's nice. But not THAT nice. Like Matt said...at least you all didn't have to pay that much extra for it. And it's certainly a step above the usual Honda/Acura crap sound system, so I guess ANY improvement is better than none at all.
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Unfortunately, Acura chose to use Bose for their speaker/sound choice. Acura bought into all of Bose's millions of dollars of 'research' into how to effectively market an ineffective system. A set of Energy Take 5's will blow any of the Bose surround systems out of the water and at $600/set, there's no comparison...but I digress...
I've heard the system in my friends car. It's nice. But not THAT nice. Like Matt said...at least you all didn't have to pay that much extra for it. And it's certainly a step above the usual Honda/Acura crap sound system, so I guess ANY improvement is better than none at all.
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05-08-2001, 12:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mattldm:
I think there must be something wrong with your stereo. I hear plenty of highs in my car, in fact I have the treble control almost flat. I do have the bass control turned up several notches though even with a subwoofer.
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I think there must be something wrong with your stereo. I hear plenty of highs in my car, in fact I have the treble control almost flat. I do have the bass control turned up several notches though even with a subwoofer.
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These topics are infinitely disagreeable in nature. Your ears and mine are completely different. I do have some loss in the 3K range. That comes from years spent in front of Marshall & Randall stacks, in small to medium clubs.
Be that as it may. I only made the original post to call attention to Bose's claims. In the past 2 decades their biggest asset, and greatest technological breakthrough has been PR and public perception!
"No highs, no lows. It must be Bose.
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05-08-2001, 12:37 PM
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The problem ISNT Bose.
The problem is Acura is using the crappiest bose system in the world.
The Infiniti I30... which doesnt even have a high end bose system... sounds GREAT... extreme amounts of bass.... perfectly clear.
The new Q45 has a Bose system which blows the doors off any stock stereo system Ive ever heard including the Mark Levinson systems on new Lexi.
At the NY Auto Show they had all the doors and the trunk open on a Q45 with the Bose system blaring... you could hear it through the whole Jacob Javits center. And there wasnt a single rattle on the car.
Amazing.
We just got a cheap stereo system which happens to have a Bose logo on it. What do you expect when it comes standard?
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The problem is Acura is using the crappiest bose system in the world.
The Infiniti I30... which doesnt even have a high end bose system... sounds GREAT... extreme amounts of bass.... perfectly clear.
The new Q45 has a Bose system which blows the doors off any stock stereo system Ive ever heard including the Mark Levinson systems on new Lexi.
At the NY Auto Show they had all the doors and the trunk open on a Q45 with the Bose system blaring... you could hear it through the whole Jacob Javits center. And there wasnt a single rattle on the car.
Amazing.
We just got a cheap stereo system which happens to have a Bose logo on it. What do you expect when it comes standard?
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05-08-2001, 01:14 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by soopa:
The problem ISNT Bose.
The problem is Acura is using the crappiest bose system in the world.
The Infiniti I30... which doesnt even have a high end bose system... sounds GREAT... extreme amounts of bass.... perfectly clear.
The new Q45 has a Bose system which blows the doors off any stock stereo system Ive ever heard including the Mark Levinson systems on new Lexi.
At the NY Auto Show they had all the doors and the trunk open on a Q45 with the Bose system blaring... you could hear it through the whole Jacob Javits center. And there wasnt a single rattle on the car.
Amazing.
We just got a cheap stereo system which happens to have a Bose logo on it. What do you expect when it comes standard?
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The problem ISNT Bose.
The problem is Acura is using the crappiest bose system in the world.
The Infiniti I30... which doesnt even have a high end bose system... sounds GREAT... extreme amounts of bass.... perfectly clear.
The new Q45 has a Bose system which blows the doors off any stock stereo system Ive ever heard including the Mark Levinson systems on new Lexi.
At the NY Auto Show they had all the doors and the trunk open on a Q45 with the Bose system blaring... you could hear it through the whole Jacob Javits center. And there wasnt a single rattle on the car.
Amazing.
We just got a cheap stereo system which happens to have a Bose logo on it. What do you expect when it comes standard?
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05-08-2001, 01:20 PM
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No one really uses high end stereo brands for the sound of their system. It's near impossible to reproduce the home system dynamics in a car. They only thing they're doing is buying the name brand. Think about it, would you rather buy a Chevy Corvette with an AC Delco stereo or a Bose stereo? Even if it sounded the exact same, you would pick the Bose. It's all about brand.
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The "BLOWS" trademark should be: BOSE – “Better sound through better marketing”
I don’t mind BOSE so much except for the lack of BASS.
My Sub box is the only MOD to my stereo so far and I think it sounds great.
This is the first audio upgrade you should make before you think about ripping out the deck or speakers.
I’m sure handing over a 5,000 dollar check to StreetEffects would produce fabulous results, but I’m not quite ready for that yet.
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I don’t mind BOSE so much except for the lack of BASS.
My Sub box is the only MOD to my stereo so far and I think it sounds great.
This is the first audio upgrade you should make before you think about ripping out the deck or speakers.
I’m sure handing over a 5,000 dollar check to StreetEffects would produce fabulous results, but I’m not quite ready for that yet.
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05-08-2001, 03:13 PM
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My '98 Grand Am has the best stock system I've ever heard. I swear they hid a subwoofer somewhere. It's even got a ~9-band graphic equalizer. So nice (considering it's stock).
The Blose system in my CL-S is just "meh".
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The Blose system in my CL-S is just "meh".
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MikeN:
I agree. To keep the price of the car down, they had to use low-end items in certain places, the stereo happened to be one of them. Another would have to be the quality of the leather.
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I agree. To keep the price of the car down, they had to use low-end items in certain places, the stereo happened to be one of them. Another would have to be the quality of the leather.
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05-09-2001, 02:53 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by equalizr:
There is also another saying in the industry for Bose--
"Bose No High's No Lows Bose"</font>
There is also another saying in the industry for Bose--
"Bose No High's No Lows Bose"</font>
No Highs? No Lows? Must be Bose. lol
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I know it was mentioned before, but the I30 has a REALLY nice sound system...subwoofer and everything. I can't stress enough how nice sounding that system is...Infiniti touts that around as a major selling point.
I'm sure you all know this by now, but I was about to get an I30t before I Saw the CL-S...
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I'm sure you all know this by now, but I was about to get an I30t before I Saw the CL-S...
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