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Old 12-19-2005, 03:18 PM
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I usually average 25 mpg - I fill up 15 gallons with 375 miles on the tripometer. This is 75% highway, 25% city driving and I average 70-75 when on the highway.
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My driving ratio is about 70 hwy/30 city and my '01 CL gives me 27.8 mpg. I don't drive that conservatively. (I didn't buy a car with power to NOT use it).
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I've never gotten more than 21mpg so far, and that's with a fair amount of highway driving. I fill up with 91 octane, and usually shift at around 3K rpm around town. I've only had the car since the end of Sept, so hopefully this will get better. I've been mostly doing city driving so far, around college, so that might explain it a bit, I hope.

This is with a 6speed CL-S
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Something is wrong with my gas meter

Hello, I'm new to the thread and just like every1 I've been reading most of the post. Here's a question, any one have this problem. On a full tank, my gas meter would drop pretty darn fast. after 32miles it would drop to 2 bar from Full. and at 70miles it be would half way. once it reach 200 its at empty, but I tested the car till it reaches empty or when the light comes on. I still average about 325~350 full tank.
and I'm at 85k already.

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hey Northstar have you tried calculating how many gallons you actually burn once your at E. what i mean is once your at E fill up all the way and see how many gallons go in. if its only a couple then your fuel gauge is probably off if its pretty high then i would start by checking your fuel filter to see why the hell your getting such horrible gas mileage. the worst i think i ever got was like 250 and that was right after i got my CAI and i was at WOT every chance i got. good luck

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Yea I did my calculation. I'm averaging 320~350 on a full tank. So i'm thinking its my fuel gauge. Just want to make sure and see if anyone has this problem and how did they fix it. Because I ask the dealer to calibrate my gauges they say they would have to send it to acura and that'll cost me 250. Just want another solution. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Y2K3CL-S
never gotten less than 450 miles to a tank before filling, and I (believe I) still hold the unofficial Acura CL record of 579 miles on one tankful of gas a couple of years ago as posted in my Jan 02, 2004 thread (which the mods have pulled for some reason ... this is all I can find of it https://acurazine.com/forums/show...5&highlight=579).
Wow... either you have a freak car, or you have switched engines and now have a Honda 2.2L.

I have had 2 CLSs (auto and now 6 speed) and have consider myself lucky to get 579KM (361 miles) before the gas light comes on.

579 miles on approx 14 US gals is over 40MPG... did you have a really good tailwind?
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Originally Posted by NorthStar175
On a full tank, my gas meter would drop pretty darn fast. after 32miles it would drop to 2 bar from Full. and at 70miles it be would half way. once it reach 200 its at empty, but I tested the car till it reaches empty or when the light comes on. I still average about 325~350 full tank.
and I'm at 85k already.

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My gauge has always moved down fast from full to 2/3 full. After that it seems to move at a more normal rate. My low light comes on when I have 3.5 gallons left.
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Originally Posted by goredcar
Wow... either you have a freak car, or you have switched engines and now have a Honda 2.2L.

I have had 2 CLSs (auto and now 6 speed) and have consider myself lucky to get 579KM (361 miles) before the gas light comes on.

579 miles on approx 14 US gals is over 40MPG... did you have a really good tailwind?
it would be hilarious if his car was reading km instead of mi
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
it would be hilarious if his car was reading km instead of mi
It shouldn't be, he bought it local to me

If I take a trip its nothing for me to get 450 on a tank. This means NO fast starts and once I get on the highway I set the cruise at 65 and let it go. A "normal" tank of gas I only get about 300 miles, but that includes lots of fast starts and spirited driving down that highway.
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Originally Posted by spdy0001
It shouldn't be, he bought it local to me

If I take a trip its nothing for me to get 450 on a tank. This means NO fast starts and once I get on the highway I set the cruise at 65 and let it go. A "normal" tank of gas I only get about 300 miles, but that includes lots of fast starts and spirited driving down that highway.
I think you missed the point... mileage like this is hard to believe on a CLS. In fact it is so hard to believe the KM / miles transposition is plausible.

Even if 40MPG were possible on this car driving it like an old lady, you have to ask yourself why you you buy a sports car and add performance mods and drive it like you have a 2x4 block nailed under the gas pedal. Buy a hybrid if you want good gas mileage... and forget about performance.
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i get 18 in the city and 31 on the highway
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My TL gets about 23-27mpg average, about 330 miles per tank with city driving. The Camry on the other hand, gets about 41mpg on the highway
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Somethng just doesn't sound right if someone is possible of getting 40mpg in a car that is rated at 31. That's a HUGE difference. Even if you had a tailwind and drafting a semi I don't think it's possible.

I guess we'll never know. Unless this guy wants to videotape a journey of him repeating his so called incident of attaining this mpg milestone.
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
Somethng just doesn't sound right if someone is possible of getting 40mpg in a car that is rated at 31. That's a HUGE difference. Even if you had a tailwind and drafting a semi I don't think it's possible.

I guess we'll never know. Unless this guy wants to videotape a journey of him repeating his so called incident of attaining this mpg milestone.
I think his neighbor has a set of keys to the car.
He takes it for a 100-mile joyride once a week and then puts 4-gallons of gas in so he doesn’t notice.
But doesn’t reset the trip counter.

PS….
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i only get about 250 a gas tank full but that is with out having the gas light come on and thats with headers and a intake would you say theres some thing wrong with my car or is it just the way i drive when my car was stock i think i remember getting pritty close to 400 miles on a gas tank full and i was wondering if your cars were stock ?
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
I think his neighbor has a set of keys to the car.
He takes it for a 100-mile joyride once a week and then puts 4-gallons of gas in so he doesn’t notice.
But doesn’t reset the trip counter.

PS….
Shawn you may be on to something here... I remember way back when there was a movie about a neighbour who was obsessed with gas mileage... so the kids would put a gallon of gas in every other night for a month and then the following month syphon gas out.

Maybe Y2K isn't mentioning the months that he gets 150 miles to the tank
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Originally Posted by iisylentii
i only get about 250 a gas tank full but that is with out having the gas light come on and thats with headers and a intake would you say theres some thing wrong with my car or is it just the way i drive when my car was stock i think i remember getting pritty close to 400 miles on a gas tank full and i was wondering if your cars were stock ?
Prolly how you drive... an intake and headers should increase gas mileage. Wifey has a stock TL that gets 600KM (400 miles) to the tank... but then again, that's with her driving... I am sure that I would get less driving the same car.
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
Somethng just doesn't sound right if someone is possible of getting 40mpg in a car that is rated at 31. That's a HUGE difference. Even if you had a tailwind and drafting a semi I don't think it's possible.

I guess we'll never know. Unless this guy wants to videotape a journey of him repeating his so called incident of attaining this mpg milestone.
Since the CL and TL are rated at 19/29 I can only assume you meant that about the Camry I mentioned. I didn't believe my eyes, either, but the car does this consistently. Last week I started with a full tank, drove 202 miles and it only moved down to the 3/4 tank mark. So just to make sure nothing was wrong with the needle, I filled back up and it held 5.6 gallons. There was no topping off, and I used the same pump at the same station. That's 36mpg. Then it was taken on a trip and, starting at Full, went 350 miles on 1/2 tank. It's pretty amazing, actually.

It's actually rated at 23/32 and what you have to realize is how the EPA rates cars. Since everyone complained to them about not being able to achieve their ratings, they changed how they rate in the 1980s. Now, they test the cars and then reduce their numbers by 10% and 22% respectively city/highway. When you take that into consideration, the high mileage some people receive doesn't seem too far fetched. That means a CL could get 35mpg on the highway, and it means the Camry could get 39mpg on the highway. And there are always the factory freaks.

However, my TL is pretty consistent. 330 miles all city, 400 miles city/highway, and 450-475 miles all highway. I have an Accord V6 that does almost the same. The Camry is about 420 all city, 480 city/highway, and 580-600 all highway (it has a bigger tank than our cars).

EDIT: I documented 38.1 mpg in the TL once, actually. I filled up at a station I'm familiar with, drove 25 miles down a flat highway turned around and drove 25 miles back and filled up again at the same pump. Can't remember the exact figure it held now but it was 38.1mpg. I did perfectly 55.
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
Since the CL and TL are rated at 19/29 I can only assume you meant that about the Camry I mentioned. I didn't believe my eyes, either, but the car does this consistently. Last week I started with a full tank, drove 202 miles and it only moved down to the 3/4 tank mark. So just to make sure nothing was wrong with the needle, I filled back up and it held 5.6 gallons. There was no topping off, and I used the same pump at the same station. That's 36mpg. Then it was taken on a trip and, starting at Full, went 350 miles on 1/2 tank. It's pretty amazing, actually.

It's actually rated at 23/32 and what you have to realize is how the EPA rates cars. Since everyone complained to them about not being able to achieve their ratings, they changed how they rate in the 1980s. Now, they test the cars and then reduce their numbers by 10% and 22% respectively city/highway. When you take that into consideration, the high mileage some people receive doesn't seem too far fetched. That means a CL could get 35mpg on the highway, and it means the Camry could get 39mpg on the highway. And there are always the factory freaks.

However, my TL is pretty consistent. 330 miles all city, 400 miles city/highway, and 450-475 miles all highway. I have an Accord V6 that does almost the same. The Camry is about 420 all city, 480 city/highway, and 580-600 all highway (it has a bigger tank than our cars).

EDIT: I documented 38.1 mpg in the TL once, actually. I filled up at a station I'm familiar with, drove 25 miles down a flat highway turned around and drove 25 miles back and filled up again at the same pump. Can't remember the exact figure it held now but it was 38.1mpg. I did perfectly 55.
actually I was referring to the CL, but I was mistaken abou the 31 mpg. And actually both of us were wrong, it's 19/28. I just checked the sticker off my car (I saved it when I bought it)
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
Since the CL and TL are rated at 19/29 I can only assume you meant that about the Camry I mentioned. I didn't believe my eyes, either, but the car does this consistently. Last week I started with a full tank, drove 202 miles and it only moved down to the 3/4 tank mark. So just to make sure nothing was wrong with the needle, I filled back up and it held 5.6 gallons. There was no topping off, and I used the same pump at the same station. That's 36mpg. Then it was taken on a trip and, starting at Full, went 350 miles on 1/2 tank. It's pretty amazing, actually.

It's actually rated at 23/32 and what you have to realize is how the EPA rates cars. Since everyone complained to them about not being able to achieve their ratings, they changed how they rate in the 1980s. Now, they test the cars and then reduce their numbers by 10% and 22% respectively city/highway. When you take that into consideration, the high mileage some people receive doesn't seem too far fetched. That means a CL could get 35mpg on the highway, and it means the Camry could get 39mpg on the highway. And there are always the factory freaks.

However, my TL is pretty consistent. 330 miles all city, 400 miles city/highway, and 450-475 miles all highway. I have an Accord V6 that does almost the same. The Camry is about 420 all city, 480 city/highway, and 580-600 all highway (it has a bigger tank than our cars).

EDIT: I documented 38.1 mpg in the TL once, actually. I filled up at a station I'm familiar with, drove 25 miles down a flat highway turned around and drove 25 miles back and filled up again at the same pump. Can't remember the exact figure it held now but it was 38.1mpg. I did perfectly 55.
I'll let slyraskal respond for himself, but I don't think he was referring to your Camry... but rather the outrageous claim from Y2K and his CLS.

Does you Camry have a V6... if so, this is pretty amazing! I have heard reports of great mileage on these cars in the 4 cly model.

BTW - on your TL mileage test, it is always more accurate to have a burned a full tank of gas and then fill and calculate mileage. When filling up a partial tank, and in your case only a gallon or so, a small variation in how much the neck gets filled up can have a large impact on the calculated mileage.
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I'll let slyraskal respond for himself, but I don't think he was referring to your Camry... but rather the outrageous claim from Y2K and his CLS.
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Originally Posted by goredcar
BTW - on your TL mileage test, it is always more accurate to have a burned a full tank of gas and then fill and calculate mileage. When filling up a partial tank, and in your case only a gallon or so, a small variation in how much the neck gets filled up can have a large impact on the calculated mileage.


In addition, it's better to measure mileage over using a majority of your tank opposed to a few gallons. It'll give you a better average of your cars mpg rating.

Hell if I wanted to I could drive for 40 miles and use one gallon and claim I get 40mpg. But that wouldn't be accurate and my word wouldn't be worth
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
It's actually rated at 23/32 and what you have to realize is how the EPA rates cars. Since everyone complained to them about not being able to achieve their ratings, they changed how they rate in the 1980s. Now, they test the cars and then reduce their numbers by 10% and 22% respectively city/highway. When you take that into consideration, the high mileage some people receive doesn't seem too far fetched. That means a CL could get 35mpg on the highway, and it means the Camry could get 39mpg on the highway. And there are always the factory freaks.
The sticker off my car said 19/28. I've got an 03 6spd.

Assuming what you are saying about the 10%/22% is true that puts the 03 6spd at 20.9/34.16. A lot of members on here have claimed they can get anywhere between 32-34mpg very easily. Hell I got 32mpg on my trip up north and I didn't drive 100% conservative, but good enough to get better than what it's rated on the sticker.

Now the auto version of the CLS weighs more than the manaul version. So how is it that the auto can get not only better than the 32-34mpg of the 6spd but also beat by so damn much to reach 40mpg??? It's just if you ask me.

I know nothing of the camry cuz i've never owned one and this is the first time i've heard of camry's getting such great mileage. But the CL-S, don't think it's possible sorry.
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The Camry is the 133hp 5S-FE I4. From my experience at Toyota Nation, my gas mileage isn't common but isn't unheard of, either.

High gas mileage isn't at all uncommon over at the TL forum. Kris, fsttyms, gets great gas mileage out of his 00 TL and it has nearly 200k miles. From my experience, and talking to a few other people on the board, it's possible with the right conditions to get high 30s with these cars. I get 32-33mpg on the highway in my TL without even trying. My average mix of driving yields 27mpg. Personally, even in the most extreme conditions of city driving and even when I drive it like I stole it, I have never had a tank yield less than 22mpg in my 02 TL-P.

FWIW, and that's probably not much, I filled my car up last night and I've been 62 miles on this tank and it's still touching the F mark. It's been about 70/30 highway city. The Camry's been 519 miles on it's current tank and it's at 1/4 tank. The Accord V6 has been 154 and it's a little above half. I'm not the only driver of these cars, either, BTW.
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
Now the auto version of the CLS weighs more than the manaul version. So how is it that the auto can get not only better than the 32-34mpg of the 6spd but also beat by so damn much to reach 40mpg??? It's just if you ask me..
The 5AT cars are geared higher than the 6MT version. So at highway speeds the auto is turning less RPM's, which equals slightly better MPG
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Originally Posted by spdy0001
The 5AT cars are geared higher than the 6MT version. So at highway speeds the auto is turning less RPM's, which equals slightly better MPG
alright, that makes sense.
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wow.. i don't know how u guys get so many mile for a tank.. i guess something might be wrong with my car.. if u guys can help.. i would be much appreciated.. right now.. i'm getting around 130 to a tank driving mostly locally.. which average out to be under 10 mpg.. i don't abuse.. or drive my car hard.. it's a 2001 CL-S with 60k miles.. if u guys can help thanks.. i still have a certified warranty on it.. would it cover?
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Originally Posted by m1ll3n1a
wow.. i don't know how u guys get so many mile for a tank.. i guess something might be wrong with my car.. if u guys can help.. i would be much appreciated.. right now.. i'm getting around 130 to a tank driving mostly locally.. which average out to be under 10 mpg.. i don't abuse.. or drive my car hard.. it's a 2001 CL-S with 60k miles.. if u guys can help thanks.. i still have a certified warranty on it.. would it cover?

My advise
Try a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, check your tire pressure, check your air filter and spark plugs and make sure you're using D4 all the time.
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Originally Posted by spdy0001
The 5AT cars are geared higher than the 6MT version. So at highway speeds the auto is turning less RPM's, which equals slightly better MPG
Cruising at 70 mph, I'm only turning 1900 rpm. Makes for great highway mileage!
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Originally Posted by CL'er 1st & 2nd Gen's
Cruising at 70 mph, I'm only turning 1900 rpm. Makes for great highway mileage!
I've had both cars and yea, the 6MTs rev a little higher, but in my experience do not get worse mileage. It may be because the manual trans is much more efficient than the auto.
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im stationed at fort belvoir wash dc, i drove home for leave....770 miles....and it only took 2 tanks of gas with a little gas left, about 30 miles left to spare, so i pretty much got approx. 400 miles a tank, but thats doing cruise control between 70-80 the whole way. when i drive it around town i dont even pay attention to gas, because i always drive fast, always getting into races. so its fast when i need it and saves gas when i need it, so its good both ways
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Originally Posted by V6POWER
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Try a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, check your tire pressure, check your air filter and spark plugs and make sure you're using D4 all the time.
thanks.. i'll check it out.. D4?.. don't use D5?.. which spark plugs do u recommend me replacing?.. thanks again
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My CL-S average 22mpg city/highway... or about 300mpt. I've seen 360 highway driving though.
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Originally Posted by m1ll3n1a
thanks.. i'll check it out.. D4?.. don't use D5?.. which spark plugs do u recommend me replacing?.. thanks again
Sorry, I meant D5. For the spark plugs, I never replace mine so I don't know which one is the best. But I'm sure other board member can help you w/ that.

I see you still have certified warranty on your car then you should bring back and have them nail the problem for u. 130 is way too low.

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I found this article in my February 06 issue of C&D:

It's titled "Lousy Mileage? Is it your car, or your foot?"

Click the image to read the article

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Last weekend I took my CLS from Los Angeles up to Vegas, and stilll manage to pull over 430+on full tank. Crusing at 80+ and sometime not even setting the cruise control. So if you going highway all the way, you can pull 400+ to the tank easily.
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Last weekend I took my CLS from Los Angeles up to Vegas, and stilll manage to pull over 430+on full tank. Crusing at 80+ and sometime not even setting the cruise control. So if you going highway all the way, you can pull 400+ to the tank easily.

Just my two cents and I'm not relating it to your particular trip but just in general to mileage tests....

Vegas trips arent' good tests to base mileage on.

For one thing, going to vegas on the 15 Northbound is mostly uphill. And depending on which gear and what kinda tranny your car has can seriously affect the mileage.

AND the trip back is mostly downhill so you tend to use less gas in the first place.

I do agree that the CL can very easily pull 400+ mi per tank, I've done it myself.

Glad to hear you were able to pull high miles on your trip, Just out of curiosity, how cold was it out in the desert between LA and vegas? If you have a CAI, your car will perform a lot better and burn gas a lot better if you are light on the throttle.
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The weather was up in the 50's...
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I found the article I posted titled "Lousy Mileage: Is it your car, or your foot?" online.

Here it is:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....ticle_id=10499

Patrick Bedard

Lousy mileage? Is it your car, or your foot?
BY PATRICK BEDARD
February 2006
Once it was heel-and-toe. Now it’s the ‘Hermance lift.’

When the Gibson box arrives and you unpack your brand-new Lucille, just like the one B.B. King plays, here’s what won’t happen—you won’t find a tag attached saying, “Notice to consumer: Your sound may vary.” Damn right it’ll vary. No one with $2400 to spend on a guitar is silly enough to expect that curling his fingers around the neck of a Gibson Lucille will make him sound like B.B. King.

Your sound is you, baby. Get used to it.

And while you’re getting used to ideas, here’s another—your gas mileage is you, too.

This last idea is resisted by some people who should know better. I’m thinking of Jeff Sabatini, who keystrokes on the topic of automobiles for the New York Times. In a piece last summer about the Lexus RX400h, he said, “How did it come to this, that Toyota is now selling a hybrid gas-electric vehicle with no tangible fuel economy benefits?”

His observation was based on round trips from Chicago to Grand Rapids, Michigan, in both the nonhybrid Lexus RX330 and the hybrid RX400h, casual trips apparently, three in all. The hybrid measured 20.9 and 23.0 on trips of 531 and 556 miles. The nonhybrid he credited with 21.6 mpg in 462 miles.

We know nothing of Sabatini’s trips except that the miles between the same end points somehow came out different each time. We don’t know the passenger and cargo loads, or air-conditioning use, and most particularly, we have no idea how Sabatini drives.

“While this was not a controlled experiment,” he says, he nonetheless thinks we should accept his mpg numbers as facts, just as he apparently does when he flatly asserts that the ’06 RX400h “did not achieve better mileage than the 2005 RX330.”

Each car born into this world comes with two kinds of fuel economy—the EPA kind and the owner’s kind. The EPA tests are precisely done and highly repeatable. The owners’ results are as varying as their fingerprints.

To show that driver decisions matter, I ran a number of tests on this magazine’s long-term Lexus RX400h. One series was designed to show the influence of speed on fuel consumption. This was done by repeating the same 13.7-mile stretch of interstate at constant speeds of 40, 50, 60, 70, and 80 mph. Runs were made both ways to correct for wind and elevation changes. The onboard mileage computer was used to record mpg. These were flying-start, flying-finish legs to eliminate the influence of acceleration and braking. I was up to speed when I pushed the reset button at a marker for the start; readings were taken on the fly as I passed a marker at the end. The results are two-way averages, with only the driver onboard. Consider:

40 mph 49.3 mpg

50 mph 41.0 mpg

60 mph 37.2 mpg

70 mph 31.7 mpg

80 mph 26.1 mpg

To see the effect of acceleration rates, I used a section of two-lane blacktop 0.72 mile long, with a wide spot at each end that would allow a U-turn at about 10 mph. Braking markers helped me maintain constant braking lap after lap. Ten laps were done with very gentle acceleration away from each U-turn, 10 with medium acceleration, and 10 with full-power acceleration. Once 40 mph was reached, speed was held constant to the braking point. Mileage was recorded on the trip computer. Consider:

Very gentle acceleration 34.1 mpg

Medium acceleration 33.5 mpg

Full-power acceleration 27.5 mpg

To explore different braking rates, I used the same section of road, this time with constant acceleration up to 40 mph and three different braking points chosen to provide very gentle braking, gentle braking, and average braking. Consider: Very gentle braking 34.6 mpg

Gentle braking 34.1 mpg

Average braking 32.6 mpg

Another set of 10 laps combined the best-mileage acceleration with the best-mileage braking to produce 35.6 mpg.

The tests above were all done with the air conditioning turned off. Repeating the best-best test with the air on lowered mileage by 1.2 mpg to 34.4. I would expect this mileage loss to be greater on exceptionally hot days.

None of these results represents real-world driving. Instead, they are controlled experiments to show how driver choices influence fuel economy.

The driver is the wild card in any discussion of car performance. Those of us who came up through auto racing have learned to ask, What does the car want from me to go faster? Now I find myself asking, What does a hybrid want for better mileage?

So far, everything I see suggests that hybrids want the same things ordinary cars want. Power takes fuel. The less power you use, the less fuel you’ll burn. Higher speeds take more power, so fuel consumption rises along with the speedo needle. Faster acceleration takes more power.

Hybrids have the magical trick of regeneration, which recaptures the kinetic energy of motion as charge into the battery. They regenerate to a small degree when you lift off the gas—what feels like engine braking is actually regeneration in a hybrid—or to a larger degree when you brake. Regen is not perfect. There are losses. The electrical-to-chemical-back-to-electrical transformation, the round trip into and out of the battery, is only about 81 percent efficient, confirms Dave Hermance, Toyota’s U.S. executive engineer on hybrids.

What can the driver do about this loss? When you know there’s a stop ahead, or a reason to slow, getting off the gas early—that offs the engine in Toyota hybrids—and recapturing the kinetic energy directly into trip distance by coasting is surely more efficient than regenerative braking. Traffic behind may object to this technique, of course, and your own impatience may object even louder. You can also slow less and take the corner a bit faster. Driving for economy can be as thrilling as you want to make it.

Kinetic energy goes up with the square of speed, so 60 mph has four times the energy of 30 mph. But there’s a limit to how fast the battery will accept charge; it can’t drink out of a fire hose. You can drive around this limit, Hermance says, by “shaping your stop.” Use lighter braking at speed, then increase it as speed drops to level the charge rate.

He offered another tip. Accelerate up to traffic speed, then lift off the power briefly. Often the electric motor will take over when you resume, shutting off the gas burner. My first try, a 30.1-mpg trip into town, says the “Hermance lift” may be better than a perpetual tailwind.

Over 3394 everyday miles in the RX400h, I’ve logged 25.8 mpg. You don’t want to hear about my efforts with Lucille.


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