1SICKLEX

My Road and Track just came in. Basically they love the car (like the sedan). 1/4 mile time of 14.6 and 0-60 in 6.1, this was the 6-speed manual performance model (Brembo brakes). 32k out the door.

AUTOMATIC Sedan did it in 6.2.
MANUAL Coupe did it in 6.1.

The comparison car was the CL-S, and I'll let ya'll read what they said.

Interior is identical to the sedans (fock). For the price, this car is THE value/performance standard.

Ashburner

I've decided the performace difference from our cars does not justify the cost. I'll wait another couple of years for something really outrageous... Until then, the CL-S is treating me great.

-Ash

Zapata

how can the manual and auto have 60mph times athat .1 off??????????

TypeSKid

better transmission.


Ours ROB's us of time.




Who cares if its faster, i'd still rather have my ac.

Zapata

I don't think the power loss of the manual and the automatic are the same. Plus the car can't be launched the same way.

jimcol711

32K out the door?? that must not have been loaded at all, ive heard loaded it will be closer to 37k

REDLINER_RENAMED

What's the official 0-60 for the auto CL-S??? 6.5??

RUF87

Ever notice how when a car first comes out it has nice 0-60, 1/4 time. But after a while, future tests post slower times?

I'm telling you guys, those first results are tweaked. Always have been.

I remember the 330i was hitting 6.13 or something close to that. Now the latest numbers from a recent test are around 7.3-7.4.

This just goes to prove you can't take the published results to the bank.

Also, the faster the cars, Vetts etc, are harder to get to reproduce the top times.

FWIW -

RUF

JRock

R&T puts the G35 Coupe at 6.1, C&D puts it at like 5.8 I think I read.
R&T quarter mile for the G35 Coupe is 14.6, C&D's is 14.4.



R&T is stupid enough to compare the G35 Coupe 6speed to the 3.2CL TypeS with the 5speed auto.

Conclusion: R&T doesn't know shit.

Zapata

I saw that yesterday......i could only shake my head.

allmotor_2000

The 0-60 times are 'estimated' times.... at least according to the Car and Driver magazine I have in fron tof me.... 6.1 it is, though!

The Acura CL-S 6spd originally had a 0-60 (estimated) of 6.3. It turned out to be 5.9. The G35C can go either way... although I think it will stick around 6.0 to 6.1

1SICKLEX

Seems the 6sm CL-S is faster than the G35c manual. These cars are so even, it's not even funny.....

civic4982

seems very close... their quite comparable cars... the CLS might lag a tad behind when it gets to top end power b/c of the extra displacement that the Nissan motor has... I'm surew hen the G35C is widely released we'll see more comparisons between the two... weights are similar as well right?

cusdaddy

I was very disappointed to see the weight of the G35C as I mentioned in another thread. If only they kept it down 100 more lbs and put in the engine from the 350z, Infiniti would have had my $$

Crazy Bimmer

I really think HP and torque numbers are all for marketing now. I mean seems like no matter how much HP a car has now, it still runs the same 1/4 as a car with 225hp. Every car seems to be in the 0-60, 6-6.6 range.

1SICKLEX

Indeed including their own V-8 powered M45 and Q45.

3 still the standard by far, IMO.

JRock

Uh I thought it DID have the same engine with like 7less torque and 8 less hp....

6speedS

Well, I know one thing, my manual Cl-S is faster than a g35 sedan, at least on the street. I beat one the other night, it's in the racing post.

The estimated times are usually off. C&D estimated the G35 coupe at 5.6 0-60 and 1/4 in 14.4. Don't think so, as Road and Track tested it, much more conservative numbers were made. So the '03 Cl-S manual should have no problem with either the coupe or sedan, even with 20 extra horses (280) on the coupe. The G35 coupe is basically a more refined 350Z just stretched to allow for the back seat and detuned to not scare those 55 year old execs! good luck G35 owners on competing with the 6speedS!

stickman

Frankly this is a little disappointing for the G35 coupe. It has more horse power, more torque, rear wheel drive and probably better rubber, and it still cannot beat the CLS6spd. Worse, it is more expensive if similarly equipped.

But if I certainly would not be ashamed to drive the G35 coupe because it does look rather sexy.

URIRx98

i love it, want it soo bad, if i get a car, i think its goin to be the g35, only wish it would be a ragtop. the new audi a4 is goin to be topless so i may look at that.
wg

cusdaddy

It does have the same engine. I just don't see why it has to have less output (8hp/ 7lb/ft) is not a HUGE difference, but I don't see why a more expensive version of basically the same car has to have less output... I was hoping for 290+hp personally

JRock

I don't think it has less output - I think it's just marketing numbers. Now if they dyno'd a lot different then there'd be something to discuss. I doubt they dyno much different, taking into account the heavier weight of the G35 and possible differences due to different intakes, exhaust, and wheel dimensions.

1SICKLEX

VQ makes from 240-287 HP. Reasoning is basically exhaust/intake I think.Race version of 350Z bored to 3.8 liters makes 400hp!

Personally, I think the engine makes abour 255-265 hp since the Altima/G35/Maxima/Z all have similar times.

CLUofI

but the Z has been dynoed at 245, so unless it has 5% power loss, i think the engine is realy making 287.

I rode in a 6sp Max, and it is no where near as fast as the Z

6speedS

Hell, forget about the A4, wait until the 2004 S4 comes out--340 Hp V-8!!!! It will be a pretty penny though, well into the 40K's and upwards to 50K. It will be an M3 burner. I better start putting that spare change away every week!!

Kaz'sCLS6

umm.....what about handling? I'm pretty sure, despite its hefty weight, the G35C will be faster through twists and turns than our CLS'. From what i understand though, for a coupe, ours has the better back seat/ergonomics, and despite what the authors of different car magazines think (that CL/TL interiors are boring) better interiors overall.

If it really is only 32k out the door, then thats something to think about. However, the dealers i'm sure will put a pretty mark up on it.....greeed ownz the dealers..lol

VTEChump

Think about it.......

2003 CL-s 6 spd vs. 2003 Infiniti G35 6sp

3461 lbs vs. 3435 lbs.
260hp vs. 280hp
232 ft-lbs vs. 270 ft-lbs
FWD vs. RWD
215/50/17's vs. 245/45/18's
0-60 5.9s vs. 0-60 6.1s


Uh, so the G35 is LIGHTER, has 20 MORE hp, has 38 MORE ft-lbs, is RWD, and has 30 mm WIDER tires...........and is .2s slower than the CL to 60

Not tryin to be a hater, I love the CL-s 6 speed but these numbers don't make any sense.......

Kaz'sCLS6

i'm pretty sure it won't be easy to pull a 5.9 0-60 in our cars. With the issue of weight transfer and and front wheel drive vs rwd...along with the issue of the g35c's superiour low end torque, in a street setting i'd give it to the infinity 8 out of 10 times....get into turns and the infinity is gone.....my .02 dollars

darrinb

auto w/ some headers will take care of the g35 coupe

Beltfed

It will not be an M3 beater....not a chance.

gavriil

Sorry to disappoint you but the new S4 will be way slower than an M3 in any configuration. Audi gives 5.6 for the 0-62 mph, so best case, it will make it in 5.3 seconds. The main reasons are AWD and weight. The car is very heavy.

That does not mean it wont be a great car in the category though.

gavriil

Actuallyaccording to the mag and the handling numbers for the G35C, the car surprised in that category. The handling category that is. It beat even the Z350 Track model. I think the lateral G was a max of 0.92 !! That's exotic territory. The CLS auto was 0.80g. The previous Camry was at 0.78g. Also the slalom numbers were better than the Z's as well.

You could get a G35C for 32K but it wont be fully equipped. I think it is closer to $35+ fully equipped.

NOVAwhiteTypeS

go to autoweek this is the only magazine time i respect.

http://www.autoweek.com/search/searc...41413&record=2


Performance-wise, the G35 holds its own, even with an auto tranny. At 6.90 seconds, its 0-to-60-mph is slower than what AW rang up for the Acura TL Type-S (6.42 seconds) and just slightly off BMW's 328i (6.86). It's significantly faster than the Cadillac CTS (7.53) and dead even with Audi's 0-to-60 for the 3.0-liter A4. Using a six-speed manual, the slightly lighter, front-drive Maxima outran the G35 to 60 mph by 0.7 second.

gavriil

Actually the numbers make perfect sense to me.

THe RWD fact is against the G35C. BEcause of more moving parts involved, more HP is lost when you try to send it to the rear wheels. I am estimating that to be between 7HP and 10HP. So now the G35C makes 270HP vs the 260HP for the CLS.

Still more HP though. Where is the rest? The weight is about the same. The manual CLS weighs 3446 pounds actually, so it is almost identical. You cant call the G35C lighter. So that "lighter" factor is gone.

Another major factor is the wheels and tires. You cant imagine how much power an inch of wheel/tire combination eats up. The G35C that the mag tested wore the 18s. PLUS the tires. Not only they are 18 inch tires which make them more "power-stealing" but also they are way wider tires. Our CLS wears 215mm all around, the G wore 245mm in the back and 225mm in the front. The combination of both of the above makes a difference in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers. I bet that is responsible for at least 0.2 sec in the 0.60.

Another factor against the G35C is (believe it or not) its weight distribution. And it is a pro for our car. Nearly 50/50 weight distribution is good for handling (I know the G35's is 52/48) but putting more weight over the driving wheels is good for 0-60 times. The fact that almost 2/3rds of the CLS's weight is on the front wheels, helps for better launches.

Finally, the newer engine factor. This new VQ series of engines is 2 years newer of an engine than our CLS'. What does that mean? New engines are more prone to wider variations in output due to less refined quality control. As we all know, this is true for the whole car. The first year is the year when a car carries the largest number of bugs which hopefully are worked on later in the life of that model. So we could have an engine that did not make 280 but 270 in the case of the G35C. Where in the case of the CLS MANUAL, that engine has been in production for 2+ years longer than that of the G35C's. The auto CLS that the same mag tested 2 years ago ran the 0-60 in 6.7 and the 1/4 mile in 15.0 flat. There is the same example. We have had auto CLSs do the 0-60 in 6.4 and 14.8.

I cant blame the conditions because they were very favorable for the G35C. The temo was in the 60s and the humidity was in the 60s%. Elevation also was 115 feet if I remember correctly.

All of the above can make from 0.2 to 0.4 of a difference in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. I think we will see Gs do the 0-60 in 5.9 secs but not faster. 6.1 for a first test is normal.

Red Rider

Good luck finding an equally equipped G35 Coupe for 32K.

threetwoseeL

0-60 5.9 stock six speed. mine's modded up a bit so it's running better than that i'm sure.. SC here i come

paper1122

One of my buddies should be getting his G35 coupe any week now, it just depends when the first shipment of them make it here.

slingshot

FreshAlloy.com has been arguing over the G35C's magazine performance tests extensively. All the tests were done at least a couple months ago with pre-production cars. In the last month or two, there have been several G35 coupes visiting many dealerships in the US. These pre-production coupes are not identical to the production ones (there were obvious physical differences). It is highly suspected they all had the sedan's 260 hp engine too! One driver of these coupes was overheard telling the dealers it was a bit slow because it still had the 260 hp motor in it. Also it is likely the magazines tested coupes that weren't even fully broken in.

So basically, until production cars are tested by the magazines, don't count on the preliminary numbers so far to be accurate. We'll just have to see. Also when you see real dyno numbers of hp to the rear wheels, that will be very telling of true performance.

heyitsme

heh, lot of mag racing goin on in here. also one of the worst sources of information for drag strip numbers since they change so drastically from month to month and mag to mag as shown with the tl running 16.0 according to c&D oct.

0-60 doesn't prove anything. could be the g35 needs to be shifted before it gets to 60, could be how they were launching the car, could be they're using gtech, could be its a preproduction car, blabla. either way, its not important since i haven't seen anyone race to 60 in a long time. car will be on the streets soon enough.