front lower arm bushing compatability possibility
08-22-2011, 12:08 AM
#1
front lower arm bushing compatability possibility
I noticed when trying to cross reference suspension parts that the bushings for our front lower control arms are the same part number as the 94-97 accord and 92-96 prelude. Part numbers are identical according to hondapartsunlimited. Part numbers 51393-sv1-a01 and 51810-sv4-003. They are part number 12 and 16 for cl in link below and 16 and 20 for accord link.
https://www.hondapartsunlimited.com/...%20LOWER%20ARM
https://www.hondapartsunlimited.com/...%20LOWER%20ARM
If so then the Energy suspension bushing kit should work. It is part number 16.3106
http://www.jegs.com/i/Energy+Suspens...3106R/10002/-1
"Maintain better alignment while cornering, stopping, and hard launching than soft O.E. rubber. A must for lowered vehicles where weight transfer causes distortion. All Energy Suspension Polyurethane control arm bushings are full floating and non-binding. Better caster and camber is maintained during hard driving resulting from the correct durometer firmness." Energy Suspension
https://www.hondapartsunlimited.com/...%20LOWER%20ARM
https://www.hondapartsunlimited.com/...%20LOWER%20ARM
If so then the Energy suspension bushing kit should work. It is part number 16.3106
http://www.jegs.com/i/Energy+Suspens...3106R/10002/-1
"Maintain better alignment while cornering, stopping, and hard launching than soft O.E. rubber. A must for lowered vehicles where weight transfer causes distortion. All Energy Suspension Polyurethane control arm bushings are full floating and non-binding. Better caster and camber is maintained during hard driving resulting from the correct durometer firmness." Energy Suspension
Last edited by brian6speed; 08-22-2011 at 12:15 AM.
08-22-2011, 06:34 AM
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Suzuka Master
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That looks interesting. The ES link below depicts a better picture of the 16.3106 Front Control Arm Bushings:
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...p?prod=16.3106
The only concern I have is that they lack the outer metel housing that the OEMs have to seat snuggly within the LCA. Not saying that they would not work; however.
On the other hand, from the looks of it, it appears that the inner LCA bolt and outer lower damper bolt would hold these together within the LCA.
That looks interesting. The ES link below depicts a better picture of the 16.3106 Front Control Arm Bushings:
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...p?prod=16.3106
The only concern I have is that they lack the outer metel housing that the OEMs have to seat snuggly within the LCA. Not saying that they would not work; however.
On the other hand, from the looks of it, it appears that the inner LCA bolt and outer lower damper bolt would hold these together within the LCA.
Last edited by zeta; 08-22-2011 at 06:40 AM.
08-22-2011, 06:55 AM
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If you look at the instructions on the link below, it appears that the outer LCA bushing is contained in 16-8106 Front shock bushing set.
http://www.jegs.com/InstallationInst...5-16-3106R.pdf
http://www.jegs.com/InstallationInst...5-16-3106R.pdf
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08-31-2011, 04:46 PM
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yes thats what it is, thanks to blackack97...
i would bear with your guys but i do not know much about it... first thing i need to get fixed is my mounts its driving me nuts i have new mounts and still i feel alot of engine movement this weekend i swear i will take a close look at it and tranny mounts then RR bushings are next
i would bear with your guys but i do not know much about it... first thing i need to get fixed is my mounts its driving me nuts i have new mounts and still i feel alot of engine movement this weekend i swear i will take a close look at it and tranny mounts then RR bushings are next
08-31-2011, 06:36 PM
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Had I NOT replaced my inner and outer LCA bushings with OEMs and my shock absorber mounting rubber with the new 08 TLS rubber in July 2010, I would have purchased ES bushing sets #16.3106 and 16.8106 and given some reasonable feedback by now. I guess it's all in doing.
The caveat , though, is that replacing those bushings is ALOT of work. Therefore, if by chance, something turns out askew post install, then you find yourself tearing into it again to remeady.
Indeed.
I guess it's all in doing.The caveat , though, is that replacing those bushings is ALOT of work. Therefore, if by chance, something turns out askew post install, then you find yourself tearing into it again to remeady.
Indeed.
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10-17-2011, 06:50 PM
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If I 'm understanding you correctly, you are going to press the old inner/outer OEM bushings from the LCAs and replace just the bushings with the ES ones mentioned above? That would save you the cost of new actual LCAs, no.
10-17-2011, 10:48 PM
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10-18-2011, 12:58 AM
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I replaced my entire LCA were OEMs for ease of install. But I do have a the old arms that I may eventually use for this.
10-18-2011, 11:08 AM
#12
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That looks interesting. The ES link below depicts a better picture of the 16.3106 Front Control Arm Bushings:
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...p?prod=16.3106
The only concern I have is that they lack the outer metel housing that the OEMs have to seat snuggly within the LCA. Not saying that they would not work; however.
On the other hand, from the looks of it, it appears that the inner LCA bolt and outer lower damper bolt would hold these together within the LCA.
That looks interesting. The ES link below depicts a better picture of the 16.3106 Front Control Arm Bushings:
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...p?prod=16.3106
The only concern I have is that they lack the outer metel housing that the OEMs have to seat snuggly within the LCA. Not saying that they would not work; however.
On the other hand, from the looks of it, it appears that the inner LCA bolt and outer lower damper bolt would hold these together within the LCA.
10-18-2011, 06:57 PM
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http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...sion/17152.pdf
#16.3106 would equate to the INNER LCA bushing. Step #3 on the link above states:
3. Remove the rubber bushing and shells from the pivot bushing assembly. A hydraulic press will be needed. Clean the pivot bushing assembly and lubricate the inside of the barrel. Grease all sides of the bushing that contact metal. Press in the Energy Suspension bushing from each side. Grease and install the sleeve. See diagram.
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...sion/17162.pdf
#16.8106 would equate to the OUTER LCA bushing. Step #4 on the link above states:
4. Remove the lower control arm from the vehicle. Remove the lower shock/strut bushing including the shell from the lower control arm. A hydraulic press will be needed. Clean the hole/barrel in the control arm that you just removed the bushing from. Lubricate the inside of the hole/barrel. Grease all sides of the bushing that contact metal. Press in the Energy Suspension bushing. Grease the sleeve and press into the bushing. See diagram.
From my interpretation of the instructions, a 'shell' equates to the metal OEM bushing sleave and a 'barrel' equates to the bushing housing/hole within the LCA less the OEM bushing/metal sleave.
yes/no?
Last edited by zeta; 10-18-2011 at 07:01 PM.
10-18-2011, 07:23 PM
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The only additional caveat a can see is the size of the ES 'sleave' provided in each kit.
I guess one would have to measure the distance on the inner flats of the shock absorber damper fork and inner LCA mount to get the kit that has the closest length sleave.
Set# Bushing "A" Supplied Sleeve
16-3106 2294 15.10.224.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.225”)
16-3110 2306 15.10.302.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.040”)
Set # Bushing "A" Supplied Sleeve Size
16-8102 2272 15.10.245.39 .750” x .480” x 1.960”
16-8106 2295 15.10.302.39 .750” x .480” x 2.040”
That's what makes it difficult when you try to fit similar items from two different cars.
Maybe civicdrivr can measure the sleaves on his OEM bushings from his spare LCA's to help out.
I guess one would have to measure the distance on the inner flats of the shock absorber damper fork and inner LCA mount to get the kit that has the closest length sleave.
Set# Bushing "A" Supplied Sleeve
16-3106 2294 15.10.224.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.225”)
16-3110 2306 15.10.302.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.040”)
Set # Bushing "A" Supplied Sleeve Size
16-8102 2272 15.10.245.39 .750” x .480” x 1.960”
16-8106 2295 15.10.302.39 .750” x .480” x 2.040”
That's what makes it difficult when you try to fit similar items from two different cars.
Maybe civicdrivr can measure the sleaves on his OEM bushings from his spare LCA's to help out.
Last edited by zeta; 10-18-2011 at 07:29 PM.
10-19-2011, 08:52 AM
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I meant to do this when i replaced my lca's but accidentally forgot in my rush and threw them out. I wanted to measure everything and start looking in the aftermarket to see if there were parts that would fit.
10-25-2011, 07:31 PM
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Set# Bushing "A" Supplied Sleeve
16-3106 2294 15.10.224.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.225”)
16-3110 2306 15.10.302.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.040”)
Set # Bushing "A" Supplied Sleeve Size
16-8102 2272 15.10.245.39 .750” x .480” x 1.960”
16-8106 2295 15.10.302.39 .750” x .480” x 2.040”
16-3106 2294 15.10.224.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.225”)
16-3110 2306 15.10.302.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.040”)
Set # Bushing "A" Supplied Sleeve Size
16-8102 2272 15.10.245.39 .750” x .480” x 1.960”
16-8106 2295 15.10.302.39 .750” x .480” x 2.040”
Personally, if I ordered these bushings, I would order #16.3106 and 16.8106 since they have the longer sleeves. Then, logically, if they were to long upon installation, one would only have to grind them down to fit. If they were to short, which I doubt, then perhaps one could harvest the old OEM bushing sleeves and utilize those.
10-26-2011, 10:23 AM
#17
I got
.960 OD .480 ID 2.040 Lenth Strut fork side
.920 OD .480 ID 2.040 Lenth Body side
These one's look like they will work.
16-3110 2306 15.10.302.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.040”)
The OD is the only difference I see and that would not even matter.
Is this what your looking for ?
.960 OD .480 ID 2.040 Lenth Strut fork side
.920 OD .480 ID 2.040 Lenth Body side
These one's look like they will work.
16-3110 2306 15.10.302.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.040”)
The OD is the only difference I see and that would not even matter.
Is this what your looking for ?
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10-26-2011, 04:02 PM
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I got
.960 OD .480 ID 2.040 Lenth Strut fork side
.920 OD .480 ID 2.040 Lenth Body side
These one's look like they will work.
16-3110 2306 15.10.302.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.040”)
The OD is the only difference I see and that would not even matter.
Is this what your looking for ?
.960 OD .480 ID 2.040 Lenth Strut fork side
.920 OD .480 ID 2.040 Lenth Body side
These one's look like they will work.
16-3110 2306 15.10.302.39 (.750”O.D. X .480”I.D. X 2.040”)
The OD is the only difference I see and that would not even matter.
Is this what your looking for ?
So, the ES kits most likely to fit the CL-S LCA's would be:
#16.8106; Outer LCA bushing
#16.3110; Inner LCA bushing
10-26-2011, 08:46 PM
#21
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http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...sion/17152.pdf
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...sion/17162.pdf
12-04-2011, 02:36 AM
#22
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is the OD with or without the metal part?
I am researching spherical bearing bushings for replacement, and searching for the bushing sizes I found this:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/35...51393_SV1.html
that would be
1.378 OD .480 ID 2.205 Length
if your measurements are without the metal part and the total OD is 35mm, this would be a candidate for a body side spherical bearing (with a sleeve inside):
http://aurora.thomasnet.com/item/mer...0|1062|3001285
I am researching spherical bearing bushings for replacement, and searching for the bushing sizes I found this:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/35...51393_SV1.html
that would be
1.378 OD .480 ID 2.205 Length
if your measurements are without the metal part and the total OD is 35mm, this would be a candidate for a body side spherical bearing (with a sleeve inside):
http://aurora.thomasnet.com/item/mer...0|1062|3001285
12-04-2011, 10:52 AM
#23
The measurements I posted were the bushings sleeves.The part the bolt goes threw.
I can not get a good accurate read of the overall bushing OD without having it out of the arm.
The one you posted maybe a touch to long.
The closest one i've seen so far was are the one's to the numbers I posted a couple of posts back,NO question.
The only numbers that I don't know yet are the actuall od of the bushings.
Without that one it's just taking a chance at buying pieces.
It's better to measure then buy, than to buy to return or possibly get stuck with.
Curious of what the od of the bushings are.
I can not get a good accurate read of the overall bushing OD without having it out of the arm.
The one you posted maybe a touch to long.
The closest one i've seen so far was are the one's to the numbers I posted a couple of posts back,NO question.
The only numbers that I don't know yet are the actuall od of the bushings.
Without that one it's just taking a chance at buying pieces.
It's better to measure then buy, than to buy to return or possibly get stuck with.
Curious of what the od of the bushings are.
12-04-2011, 11:00 AM
#24
If the cl and the accord/prelude have the exact same part numbers, I don't see how it would not work. I think with the ES bushings you don't use the outer sleeve.
I am still saving money to buy parts so I won't be doing this anytime soon.
I am still saving money to buy parts so I won't be doing this anytime soon.
12-05-2011, 06:45 AM
#25
Intermediate
I just found that my employer company sells those and they are in stock lol
http://autokelly.cz/Catalog.aspx#PAT...=0|ST=0|LNG=2|
http://autokelly.cz/#PATH=3761801;14...=0|ST=0|LNG=2|
http://autokelly.cz/#PATH=3761801;14...=0|ST=0|LNG=2|
I'm gonna get them and measure
also as for the bearing bushing, a normal (actualy an Angular contact ball bearing, that can hold both radial and axial loads, http://www.skf.com/portal/skf/home/p...=1_3_1&lang=en) ball bearing would be better than spherical for 2nd gen CL/6th gen accord
I got influenced by reading threads about spherical bearings to replace LCA bushins in 3rd/7th gen, but those have different LCA design and need the spherical bearing to permit the arm to move around multiple axis, while we want the arm to move around exactly one axis
the energy bushings are maybe listed for the prelude only because of higher weight of the other vehicles
http://autokelly.cz/Catalog.aspx#PAT...=0|ST=0|LNG=2|
http://autokelly.cz/#PATH=3761801;14...=0|ST=0|LNG=2|
http://autokelly.cz/#PATH=3761801;14...=0|ST=0|LNG=2|
I'm gonna get them and measure
also as for the bearing bushing, a normal (actualy an Angular contact ball bearing, that can hold both radial and axial loads, http://www.skf.com/portal/skf/home/p...=1_3_1&lang=en) ball bearing would be better than spherical for 2nd gen CL/6th gen accord
I got influenced by reading threads about spherical bearings to replace LCA bushins in 3rd/7th gen, but those have different LCA design and need the spherical bearing to permit the arm to move around multiple axis, while we want the arm to move around exactly one axis
the energy bushings are maybe listed for the prelude only because of higher weight of the other vehicles
12-06-2011, 01:25 AM
#26
Intermediate
I'm not very good with caliper, take the third decimal digit with a grain of salt
the central bushing:
..........OD.....ID...Length
shell:..1.587..1.548..1.602
sleeve:.0.949..0.481..2.040
the inner bushing:
..........OD.....ID...Length
shell:..1.382..1.252..1.673
sleeve:.0.913..0.480..2.200
the upper arm bushing for completenes:
..........OD.....ID...Length
shell:..1.517..1.336..1.118
sleeve:.0.874..0.400..1.870
the central bushing:
..........OD.....ID...Length
shell:..1.587..1.548..1.602
sleeve:.0.949..0.481..2.040
the inner bushing:
..........OD.....ID...Length
shell:..1.382..1.252..1.673
sleeve:.0.913..0.480..2.200
the upper arm bushing for completenes:
..........OD.....ID...Length
shell:..1.517..1.336..1.118
sleeve:.0.874..0.400..1.870
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