Damn...and i thought we were going to war again!?!

 

When I say it's within specs, the aligmnent screen has that green bar if it's within specs & if it's out of specs, it has the red bar per wheel.
Mine were in the reds before the aligment & in the greens after the alignment, and yes, all my wheels do have neg. cambers (most cars don't have their wheels at 0 degree camber (straight & vertical).

Mine are about .8 to 1 degree of neg. camber, my fronts have less neg. camber than the rears, but they were both about .8 to 1 degree of neg. camber. (this degree of neg. camber should not wear out the inside of the tires as one might think).

I have misplaced my alignment printout sheet, so can't post it.

I guess U could say If U want 0 degree of neg. camber, then by all means, buy & use the camber kit...

 

Hmmm...I still have my doubts...however...it just might be that you aren't dropped 3"

 

Moo, U may have doubts & that's fine. I measured a couple of 03' CL & CLS & compared my CL drop to its' height. (measuring from center of wheel to fender gap).

Just look at the pics of my CL, & U can see the tires in front tucks under the fender...

U can believe or not that cool, I am just stating facts, I don't fictionalize...

Here's a tad bit that not all alignment guys do the same job.
example: My Mr2 & CL was originally aligned at NTBs...
To find out later, they're weren't done that well, cause I watched my alignment guy re-fix their mistakes...

 

you are

 

exactly what I was thinking, he doesn't look that low, if he is then everyone I know who claims a 3" drop looks a tad bit more like 4. Esp. you No Cal guys

 

Here's a tad bit for you....a bunch of my friends do alignements...on everything from Porsches to dropped Civics....and i watch the machine as well.

 

:whocares: x 458667678


this thread has gone to shit.


oh, and guys, i heard you can't run koni's on the lower perch on a cl. is this true?

 

If this is a valid question.....here's the answer....

Yeah you can run stock springs on the lower perch. Lowering springs should be placed on a higher perch so as not to put as much stress on the Konis. You can put them on a lower perch, but then Koni can void it warranty, I don't know how they would know, but if they did find out...it would void it.

 

They would know because the area around the lower perch would be worn away!!! Metal to metal will leave some kind of mark!!!

If you are lowered mattg, don't put the koni's on the lower perch, not worth it!!!

 

I would have to agree with moo here. I am not calling you a liar Charles, but it is hard to believe you are in spec!!!! I have Neuspeed Sport Springs all the way around. I put them on with about 9K on the car. I wore out my stock tires by 24K!!!!!!! The neuspeeds are only a 2 inch drop!!!!!!! I will upload a pic of my tires so you can see!!!!! My camber was close to -2 in the rear!!!
I can't remember what the front was off hand, but it wasn't bad. I HAD to get the rear camber kit!!!!!! Last time I went to the alignment place that moo is speaking of, they put three CL's on the alignment rack. Two of them had comptech springs and their camber was a hair negative. No biggie. Then the last cl went on and he has the tien coilovers. He had a -1.7 camber in both rear tires!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is gonna BURN through tires!!!!! Even if you are only at -1, you are gonna burn through tires!!! Just not as fast as -2!!!! I would recommend to ANYONE who is lowered more than two inches to get a camber kit!!!!!!! If you are gonna spend $200 a tire, and you are gonna wear them out in HALF the time that you should, you are gonna spend a TON of money on tires, where the camber kit is $200 - 300 installed. Just my 2 cents!!!

 

Here is one of the pics of my stock tires after only 15K miles on my springs!!

 

Here is the other pic!!!

 

moo, i was being sarcastic. thanks for the answer though. before i installed my koni's, someone told me you could not run teh koni's on lower perch w/ lowering springs. clearance issues or something. so i went ahead and did it anyway and it works fine, no rubbing, no clearance probs.

anyways, i havn't had the car aligned since the install. last time i had the car aligned was after the H&R race were installed, and it was fine, all within spec. i will be getting it realigned soon and i'll let you guys know the outcome.

 

Aztec,
I understand w/ what U're trying to say. My Kumhos tires wore like that for the 1st 10K miles (didn't get it aligned cause NTB didn't have my 01' specs in their alignment machine at that time, & didn't trust dealers). Once I got it aligned, it wore evenly from center.

 

man my thread has gone to hell...

I wanted to know what camber kits people got and how the installation went and if their are ill-effects ie bad noises... like thunking...

oh well

and uhh... ghander (nawwwsss buddy of socal)... I would not go to texas... they have guns and are proud of it... If they could secede from the US they would..

-J

 

bobowah:
We sure as hell would . I have the SPC rear kit on, front kit goes on tomorrow. It's an extremely well built kit...much better design than the ingalls, and is the same one that eibach repackages and sells. It's the best built and most adjustable out there. I can tell you who to get it from if you like, email me at Austin519@aol.com. It's a -2 to +4 adjustable kit. The DIY is on my website, page 15...and took maybe 10 minutes to do if that long.

Austin519

 

I'm confused, which really isn't all that unusual, but aren't our cars engineered basically the same from the factory? Why is it that some people need Camber Kits and others don't. I mean beside the obvious, ya know different drops and such. But if two people have the same stock CL, use the same parts (Pro-Kit, KYB AGX's) why is it one dude may need Camber Kits and the other may not?

This is exactly what happened to me. Thought I did my research, and wouldn't need Camber Kits. But like I said in my previous post I definetly needed them. I'll try and scan the before and after alignment print outs and post them. Hoping maybe one of you experts can explain. Not complaining, love the way the car looks and handles now, and the camber kits really weren't all that expensive to get installed.

Truce

 

You forget where i come from, the SGV; it's taught me not to be scared of little asian boys w/ guns, i've been faced w/ it a few times.


The trigger is usually to heavy for them to pull

 

that is exactly why we are confused. Alot of people w/ your drop don't NEED the camber kit, but it would be advised.



Charles and Matt, any chance you guys did the drop then immediately did an alignment?

 

No, I waited about 3 weeks for settling before aligmnent. The car still sits at same height today as the day I did the alignment.

 

argh that was my cl...hahaha it's ok...i got the camber kit now...just a matter of installing it...then i can drop it even lower and be ghetto fab

 

You are probally right w/ the way eibachs settle and the fact you cut the springs

 

Austin519,

The price you have listed of $300 for the SPC kit is for both the front and rear kits or just for the rear? How long have you had them on? Guess you have no complaints so far. I've heard camber kits tend to get knocked off spec often, do you think these kits will require frequent re-alignments?

 

I have Specialty Products front and rear camber kits sitting at home waiting to be installed courtesy of my wallet and blxmjx for getting it for me.

 

Take pics of the front kit!!!
I wanna see what it looks like!!!

 

i have yet to align since the koni install. i ran the race springs for a month or so before that alignment, which came out perfect. i suppose i should go spend the $70 to see where i'm at now. :o

 

bastard
Anyway...the H&Rs aren't real low, no real camber issues....trust us...we did the alignment on bobowah's TL and CL..come to think of it...we did it on Pro-Kits, teins, a'pexis, sleeve coilovers, Comptech, Sportlines....hmmm, who else has springs for the CL???

 

The front is a replacement for the ball joint on the A-arm...and looking at it...i can see how it might get knocked out...as it is only a bolt or two to steady it. Doesn't matter to me..., free alignments.

 

they sit pretty low when you on the lower perch yo. those are 235/40's

 

NEUSPEED!!!!

 

rebeltruce:
Some drivers are fatter than others .

Rod:
I don't think so. I tightened the locking nuts on the front and rear kits down quite a bit...there's no reason they should. If I ever get a professional alignment done I will ask the shop to mark the kit for me for where it should be...adjusting the SPC kit is extremely easy, you just have to jack the car up to take the weight off the tires (don't even remove the tires), loosen a nut on the front, or two on the rear, and move it around, retighten and you're done. And $300 (estimate, +/- $20) was for the full kit from Jim, jp@tribalpacific.com (tell him I sent you so he knows you're a forum guy).

bobowah:
DIY man...check my website out, page 15, you're looking at a 30 min install for the whole kit, front and rear. You need one tool to be used for front and rear, and one additional for the front, both can be borrowed for free from Autozone. It's too easy of an install not to DIY...a step down from the CAI and a step up from exchanging bulbs. As I told Rob, check out my site, page 15, for the DIY and pics.

moomaster_99:
I dunno...that locking nut was pretty solid. And if you torque it to the recommended 95 ft/lbs...I seriously doubt it'll come loose. Even if it does, as I said to Rob, really easy to fix with just a 17mm wrench and a jack.

Austin519

 

Hopefully it is a strong setup that'll hold up. I've been having Tire Kingdom do my alignment since I got their three year plan which allows you to go back for an alignment as often as you like. They've been cool so far, but who knows what'll happen if I go in with a lower drop on Teins and with some camber kits that they'll have to be adjusting.

 

hehehehe....I haven't installed it yet, so I won't know...I'll have everything installed on Sunday.

 

:ghey: you sound like a 6 year old boy in a tutu

 

remind moo who won last time... you guys met up...

 

I hate embarrasing him but, *ahem* some little first gen did romp on a couple of so called "Type-S's" I'm just convinced moo got a CL-P w/ S badges :P

 

Man, for a post whore you sure miss a lot. I posted pics of my specialty products' front and rear camber kits very prominently when I got them in the mail. Hell, it was almost a ShawnS post with the size pics of them I had.

The front ones replace the ball joint, the rear are arms.

 

WHERE the fuck did that come from BOBOWAH!?!! Anyway....cool, dont cheat...and see what happens...
And BOBOWAH...never mind....just remember who hit what avoiding something.

 

I am NOT a PW!!!!:pfawk:

I post very informative information and ask very legitament questions!!!


OK, OK, once in a while I get crazy with the but :whocares: ???? HEHEHEHE


I don't remember seeing them, although, it is starting to come back to me!!! I am over 30, so my mind just aint what it used to be!!!!

I have the rear Ingalls kit, so I know what it looks like!!! I really don't car what the Specialty rear kit looks like!!!!!!

Post the link so I can see it again!!!!