kmanpete

I went to Rick Case Acura today and they had the press release TL Type S there. I need the mirrors and fog light from it. It is sweet.

I also saw a 3.5L CL Type S with comptech headers, CAI, Swaybar. I talk to the engineer from Acura which was there and he said that he change the crank shaft from the MDX to the CL. He also polished the heads. The car have Racing Hart C5000. Looked really nice. He also tested the car and said it can do 0-60 in 5.7secs. It is listed as 320HP. You guys need to go out there and check it out. You will be in for a surprise.

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Satin Silver Acura CL Type S, Carbon Fiber Kit

MCHM3

3.5 or 3.2 one of the guys that works their did that. im gonna go and check it out..............what color is your type s? is it black

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2001 cl type s,custom voltage blue paint job, comptech headers, 18 inch ssr agle strusse rims(painted voltage blue with chrome lip), greddy evo exhaust, cross drilled rotors, pioneer avx 7000 tv, playstation2, iceman cold air intake(custom)nos fuel pressure regulator, piaa ion yellow fog lights, slammed on nex suspension

my old car www.hondatech.org/99acv6ic.html
my cl-s
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1364953&a=11597233

MCHM3

is the car for sale or is it the engineers car?

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2001 cl type s,custom voltage blue paint job, comptech headers, 18 inch ssr agle strusse rims(painted voltage blue with chrome lip), greddy evo exhaust, cross drilled rotors, pioneer avx 7000 tv, playstation2, iceman cold air intake(custom)nos fuel pressure regulator, piaa ion yellow fog lights, slammed on nex suspension

my old car www.hondatech.org/99acv6ic.html
my cl-s
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1364953&a=11597233

EricL

Make you wonder what they (Acura) are going to do when the 3.5 liter Maxima comes out

Did anybody say if they were still running the same top revs or if any of the other internals had been beefed up (rods, pistons, etc)?

BTW -- don't you mean he changed the crank *and* rods from a CL/CL-S to an MDX version -- hence a "stroked" CL-S. Also, automatics love lots of torque.

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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

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Xephyr2K

Id have to agree , the MDX has a .27 longer stroke then the CL does so it would require new rods. Also, if he polished/ported the heads that should give a very minum of 40-50 HP on this car. Not to mention if he went with oversized valves ... lookout !! I wouldn't even go for the crank upgrade... rather get Xephyr Performance Heads in a few months

Chris

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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway Best GTECH Sprint 6.05 Xephyr Performance Intakes

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typeR

so maybe prolly cause of the 5.7 claim hes 325 to the ground

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satin silver metalic
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tint 20% all around

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16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

typeR

oh btw tried calling them ...long distance for me got nothing its 530 eastern and it just rang and rang anybody have a different number for them i got 305-372-2383

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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

WPS

hey guys..what about the new altima coming out
heard there is a 3.5l v6 240hp option
can anyone verify?

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e1828

yup.. check out www.freshalloy.com


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2001 Satin silver CL-S
* no navi, spoiler, mudguards
* wheel locks, full front mask
* fenderwell and door trim
* soon Comptech springs and sways
* 5% tint rear side, back

typeR

YOU ARE ON MY LIST OF PEOPLE NOT TO BELIEVE...called rick case talke to a sales lady that said they got there first cl type s a few days ago i kept saying cl she said tl no oh cl ya we dont have those yet i said look let me talk to a manager you dont know what youre talking about i told her shes had cl CL type s' for a year talked to manager named mario and he recalled the event with the tl but no cl 3.5 type S he specifically said you were lieing???? give me some more proff and ill take you off my list lol



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satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

NOVAwhiteTypeS

Dayuum, Dum da dum dum dummmb!!! BUSTED


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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Cargo Net/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter. Comptech Springs. Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.
235/40/17's or 225/45/17's once I found out which one works for me.

gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

Xephyr2K

The FACTS:

Yes it is real. I have a good rapport with Doug the actual design engineer of the project and have confirmed some of the following.

What it features:

1) 300+HP to the wheels
2) Comptech Headers
3) Comptech Springs/Sways
4) AEM 2.5" CAI
5) Brushed aluminum interior
6) MDX Crank/bearing
7) MDX Pistons.
8) MDX Connecting Rods
9) MDX Trans. Housing 1->2
10) MDX Intake Plenum Spacer
11) Apex VTEC Controller
12) 0-60 in 5.7
13) 1/4 mile in 14.0 at Moroso Motorsports Park in 90 degree and 90% humidity avg weather.

EricL wanna do the SAE Correction to Atco ? Should be running 0-60 in 5.5 and the 1/4 in about 13.7 is my guesstimate

This car is real and it is a "Mule" designed by the dealer to show the potential of the Type S for under 10K . It has had the VSA/TCA removed due to engagement issues, consumes 1 quart of Castrol Synthetic 15-40 every ~800 miles. Transmission fluid is black after 1000 miles and is guarunteed to be toasted in 15000 miles or less. It is however for sale at a price of $39,000.00 and is backed by a full warranty by Rick Case. There are some serious issues with oil consumption and transmission longevity but bot will be ironed out before it should be a concern.


** Xephyr Sneak Peeks **
Twin Turbo CL Type S yet to be unveiled by Rick Case Acura

** Manual Gear Box in 2003 **
Reliable source within Honda USA says Manual option will be available for CL-S , TL-S in 2003


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fbazakos

ahhh, shut up Chris ... and write me back

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Black 2001 Type S
*Xephyr Cold Air Intake
*PIAA 19169 Road Lamps
*Acura Winter Mats
*Mudguards
*Mobile 1 Synthetic
*Rockford 500a2
*Pioneer 12" @ 400w (x2)
---Still 2 rims not scratched---

kmanpete

For your information! For the ignorant people who don't believe, than I have nothing better to tell you, but to go look for yourself. The design engineer is there. You should call Dana Pekunece at Rick Case 1800-881-1118 and ask him about the car that is moded on the showroom. What lady would know anything about moded cars? Talk to real people.

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Satin Silver Acura CL Type S, Carbon Fiber Kit

AndyN aka CLTypeS

So how much we looking for the above and a level ten tranny upgrade. Should be very nice. And could any dealer do this or just Rick Case.

Xephyr2K

The Price will realisticlly be upwards of 10K for this extensive a project. Primarily because it requires a complete engine and tranny pull.... Many hours of labor This is a nice upgrade option at time of purchase as it can be written into the total, however, it is still very $$$$$ expensive. it can bump your price tag into the 42K+ arena. Which is a bit on the high side for the amount of performance you see at the track .... but still very respectable as the car ages, people who buy it used, etc... that want more power. Not all dealers will do this type of work as it requires considerable talent/machinery/initiative on site. Dealers like Rick Case and maybe Park Ave that are performance and customer oriented may offer this, but it will be far from the mainstream as the warranty is backed by the dealer, not Honda USA (similar to Saleen and Ford...)

Chris


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Xephyr2K

Also, remember that 12K into most other cars will yield times under 11 seconds on the 1/4 mile.......

Chris


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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway Best GTECH Sprint 6.05 Xephyr Performance Intakes

typeR

read my post it was light hearted and meant to be taken with a grain of salt to you and xypher who's word ill take any time i didnt just talk to the stupid bitch that didnt even know the difference btween the cl and tl i talked to a sales manager who had never heard of it and said you were lieing hard to believe but i guess from the first sales person i talked to there i should expect it im calling back and gonna get some people in trouble KMAMPETE you are officially off my list ...FOR NOW


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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

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Technique

I must agree. This is an excellent point. If you just want FAST power, buy a camaro, dump 15k and you'll be untouchable. 500+HP and sub 12 second quarter miles. The Type S is not the best car for mods but it looks sweet and is classy. Having around 300 hp and great handling along with that is just icing.

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Silver CL-S w/ Navi, Spoiler, Wheel Locks, Trunk Tray, 19169, 9005
Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1-S Proxes on 17X8 SSR Competition Wheels (47.2 lbs lighter than stock wheel+tire setup)
G-Tech (Full tank of gas, 60F, VSA off, SS) - 5.93 seconds
V-1 Hardwired, Comptech Sways on order

typeR

WOW....xypher i just got off the phone with Doug good guy likes to talk performance and i loved it...our car has a bright ,bright future once our transmission woes are over come...315hp and 265ft.lbs...scary im saving now...

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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

typeR

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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

EricL

I had to fudge the 1/4 mile speed, but you are correcto-mundo. Using a 14 second 1/4 mile with temps in the 90 (sorry, no baro), a 13.6 - 13.9 is the "corrected" value (based on low time with baro @ 28 and high time with barometer @ 30).


I missed some of the banter, and got to go, but I think this is some serious pioneering work going on here!

The 3.5 crank with stroking is a logical next step. Kudos to the engineer that had the balls to go for it.

Just the better cylinder filling *and* torque are great reasons for this experiment. BTW -- I haven't calc'd the average increase in piston speed, but it shouldn't be that much.

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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• 14.8lb 17x8" SSR Competition rims on the way
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

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URIRx98

its funny that rick case maybe has this superdooper cl-s in the show room casue before that, i got the silver one that was in the showroom up till last may when i got mine. drove it right out of the showroom and had them put a spiler on, and strip the thing of anymarks that had rick case acura on it, epsecially the front bumper plate holder. go tto get sdownj there and see this thing if it is there. Nad dana was my salesman for my sale. He said i got one of the best prices on my car. PAYS TO HAVE GREAT CREDIT.
WG

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The SILVER STREAKER CL-S no navi, spoiler, tint all around, moonroof visor,
indaglo emblom, ACURA.CL.com stickers, eurolights fog lights, bel 950 radar detector, and 2 chamber flowmaster exaust
hyperwhie highbeams and corner lights, and eyeball fogs. 620+ posts makes me still a freak on the old Cl page.
my cl-s http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...725&a=11443786

typeR

see it nothin i wanna drive it or atleast drive in it

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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

F=ma_RENAMED

Are you sure about the MDX pistons? The MDX has a compression ratio of 10:1, and I don't think their pistons are domed liked the Type S's are. The TL and CL-P have 9.8:1 compression ratio's with flat pistons. I imagine the Compression ratio of the CL Type S would have gone down with the MDX pistons.

Also something to consider, The MDX has a redline of 6200 rpm. The engine has a stroke somewhat longer than the CL Type S. You're talking about increasing the inertial loads on a part that changes directions 7000 times a minute. Its not really a guess and check kind of thing.

Guess: try a MDX Crank and some MDX pistons.
Check: Piston puts a hole in hood, bent 2 rods?

I'm not doubting you, I'm sure its been done, but I'd like to know how confident this guy is in the reliability of this engine.

And also you mentioned its oil consumption. That's bad.

Anyways, I went to Baranco Acura, here in Atlanta where I have a few buddies and looked up parts and prices. The MDX crank was some $500 (which ain't bad at all considering a GSR crank is over a grand), and the rods and pistons weren't terrible, but then again there are 6 in a set.

I think Labor would make this project expensive. The parts aren't that terrible.


Once again, I'm just concerned for this car. Its putting out a good amount of low end torque now, cause of the increased stroke, I'm not sure how that top end is gonna hold up.

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Slow TL

syncivic

syncivic

I Know that the head work was done by the Propulsion Laboratory in conjunction with John Brown Racing of S Fla (his wild Syntec Civic Dragster speaks worlds for the technical prowess of these pieces.)

syncivic

A reality check: The pistons used are modified dome topped units netting a C/R of 10.85:1 as the MDX slugs would have surely reduced the -S compression ratio of 10.5:1 to 10:1. It takes more than rods and a crank to make a viable conversion (remember-piston pin to deck height measurement!!!) Godd Luck to those who will risk there own research project but it takes the Rick Case Propulsion Lab 8 Work days to produce one powertrain with all the tools and machine equipment. The actual engine portion of the mods is $4999 for 315HP and
$6999 for a 335HP Gen II set-up. This includes the outrageously expensive $1199 Comptech header as part of the PKG. Happy hunting....

syncivic

Stock ECU programming is maintained as far as 6900 RPM redline and
7100 RPM fuel chop and top speed limiter.

syncivic

The oil consumption is related to the forged slugs used in the original mule motor which is also being co-developed in a twin-turbo version. Cast pieces with thicker decks and revised skirts will cure the consumption issues and the forgings are being revised to reduce piston to wall clearance and thus reduce the oil consumption woes. Early results with a 300 mile engine and cast slugs has revealed no (repeat - NO)oil consumption to date.

F=ma_RENAMED

Dated October 11, 2000.


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Slow TL

typeR

syncivic ...is that you doug from rick case??? even if not thanks for all the input this is the most exciting project to date for our car and if the tranny problem can be solved im in ...and speaking of tranny..i know this guy jeremy conners at honda R&D in ohio i wonder what those guys did to the accord ACR 's tranny and if he or erik berkman could provide some insite??i could try to find out ?


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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

[This message has been edited by typeR (edited 03-17-2001).]

syncivic

The trans issues are nearing resolution....quite the expenditure in failed parts but light is at the end of the tunnel.

CL SLeePeR

I've tried calling Rck Case Acura and no one answers the phone. Has anyone actually seen the car? In person?

typeR

try fort lauder dale not miami youll get the number that way dont know what the deal is on thta 305 number



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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

CL SLeePeR

Thaks for the response typeR. I wish I would've of known about it earlier when I was down there 2 weeks ago. I would of seen it for myself and taken some pics so that everyone could see it. Oh well. I'll try Fort Lauder Dale then. Miss my home town but nothin beats Cali.

About the tranny, well if you've got the money, the CL-S is being prepared to enter in Rallying and their is a company that's working with Honda Racing to do so!!

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MNCLS

Wow is this true? Wow.....

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San Marino Red
Tinted 35% all the way
Winter Rubber mats
Piaa High Beam lights (Not worth it)

MNCLS

Wow is this true? Wow.....

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01 3.2 CLS Non-Navi
San Marino Red
Tinted 35% all the way
Winter Rubber mats
Piaa High Beam lights (Not worth it)

Jens H.

Ten grand? seems like a big pile of cash to go fast.Now that the car has all that power for ten grand does that ten grand include an upgraded brake system to keep up with the higher output of the engine?What kind of warranty are they willing to offer on this conversion?
Although I do not like doing it and I avoid it like bubonic plague I'd say a few hundred dollars and a night in my garage with the good help of Dr. Nitrous Oxide and we can easily outrun that car on the track plus you have lots of money left to pay for the new trans when that goes boom.Jens

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1992 mazda Miata lowered with Eibach springs KYB AGX adjustable struts Sparco racing buckets 4 point safety harnesses Momo steering wheel lo profile headlite system with PIAA superwhite bulbs Custom audio system Custom gauges Jackson racing supercharger with header and Greddy cat back exhaust and a ton of other stuff 2000 Honda Civic on APEX coilovers Full Alpine Audio system factory fogs with Piaa bulbs Catz ZETA high beam headlamp system H.I.D. Xenon low beam tinted, custom taillites and on and on

EricL

Ditto....

20 more hp than headers and CAI for $4000.
No warrantee, CARB EO stickers, or 50 state smog data.

And brakes that already are begging for some kind of upgrade.

Gee, and we don't even get a set of beefed up 1st and 2nd gears for our input and output shafts.

Well, they will help Acura sell a bunch of cars as they go BOOM!



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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition rims (~48lbs lighter)
• (pre-SSR wheels time) --Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon