First test drive of a 04 Acura TL 6spd by me
01-08-2004, 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Zapata
True, but look at the final drive on the AT....much more conducive for drag racing no??
AT MT
2.5 3.9
1.5 2.4
1.0 1.7
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4.4 3.2
True, but look at the final drive on the AT....much more conducive for drag racing no??
AT MT
2.5 3.9
1.5 2.4
1.0 1.7
1.2
4.4 3.2
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Gear 5AT Overall 6M Overall 1st 2.563 11.349 3.933 12.924 2nd 1.552 6.872 2.478 8.143 3rd 1.021 4.521 1.700 5.586 4th 0.653 2.891 1.250 4.108 5th 0.470 2.081 0.976 3.207 6th 0.771 2.534 Final 4.428 3.286
01-08-2004, 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by chungkopi
good review, but i still think new TL is a big disappointment. no AWD and ugly rear.
good review, but i still think new TL is a big disappointment. no AWD and ugly rear.
01-08-2004, 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Scooter
lighten the fuk out of the car and see what happens
this car will NEVER be a good autox car
lighten the fuk out of the car and see what happens
this car will NEVER be a good autox car
never say never, anything is possible
01-08-2004, 09:01 PM
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TQ > MPG
Originally posted by darrinb
a auto w/ i/h should be puttin down over 230, but i have raced a stock 6 speeed several times at the track, they are a lot harder to launch but i was traping 1-2 mph higher than him, def is a drivers race i'd say, but due to the difficulty of launching the 6 speed like i said the auto will win 8/10 times
a auto w/ i/h should be puttin down over 230, but i have raced a stock 6 speeed several times at the track, they are a lot harder to launch but i was traping 1-2 mph higher than him, def is a drivers race i'd say, but due to the difficulty of launching the 6 speed like i said the auto will win 8/10 times
01-08-2004, 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
Look at the overall gearing:
The manual always has at least 12% gearing advantage; even more in the higher gears.
Look at the overall gearing:
Code:
Gear 5AT Overall 6M Overall 1st 2.563 11.349 3.933 12.924 2nd 1.552 6.872 2.478 8.143 3rd 1.021 4.521 1.700 5.586 4th 0.653 2.891 1.250 4.108 5th 0.470 2.081 0.976 3.207 6th 0.771 2.534 Final 4.428 3.286
Also i think the gearing is deceptive. I've had a few run-ins with AT CLs and that shorter final drive really makes a big difference initially.
01-09-2004, 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by Zapata
true but some of that is negated because of the HLSD.
Also i think the gearing is deceptive. I've had a few run-ins with AT CLs and that shorter final drive really makes a big difference initially.
true but some of that is negated because of the HLSD.
Also i think the gearing is deceptive. I've had a few run-ins with AT CLs and that shorter final drive really makes a big difference initially.
As jtkz13 mentioned, the overall ratio is really the only important value when comparing two separate transmissions. If you compare the same transmission with the same individual gears, that is when the final drive comparison is relevant.
Just look at the speed in each gear, this is an approximate using the following formula:
6900 / OR * 6.663 / 5280 * 60
OR = Overall Ratio
6900 = Redline
6.663 = Stock wheel/tire combination circumference in feet
5280 = Feet per mile
60 = Multiplier from minute to hours
Code:
Gear 6M OR MPH 5AT OR MPH 1 12.924 40.4 11.349 46.0 2 8.143 64.2 6.872 76.0 3 5.586 93.5 4.521 115.6 4 4.108 127.2 2.891 180.7 5 3.207 162.9 2.081 251.1 6 2.534 206.2
01-09-2004, 06:54 AM
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I should add that in a drag race there are a few variables other than the actual gearing. Granted, the shorter gearing in the 6M means that there is greater torque multiplication in any given gear. This, combined with the lower weight and no traction limitations, means that it will pull harder for any given gear than the 5AT.
However, when related to a drag race we need to consider the shift time and number of shifts. Quite often, and even in the Acura slush box, the shift may occur quicker in the 5AT over what someone might shift the 6M. It also has the advantage of keeping the throttle open during the shift.
Also, there are three shifts occurring during the 1320' in the 6M versus the 5AT having only two. This is important as the 6M shifts just shy of the finish going into a gear which is longer that the 5AT's fourth and everyone complains about that gear in the automatic. So that the 6M doesn't gain too much more speed at the end.
With these two issues I could see where a modded 5AT could run with a 6M. But if driven correctly, which is difficult to do, the 6M has the advantage.
However, when related to a drag race we need to consider the shift time and number of shifts. Quite often, and even in the Acura slush box, the shift may occur quicker in the 5AT over what someone might shift the 6M. It also has the advantage of keeping the throttle open during the shift.
Also, there are three shifts occurring during the 1320' in the 6M versus the 5AT having only two. This is important as the 6M shifts just shy of the finish going into a gear which is longer that the 5AT's fourth and everyone complains about that gear in the automatic. So that the 6M doesn't gain too much more speed at the end.
With these two issues I could see where a modded 5AT could run with a 6M. But if driven correctly, which is difficult to do, the 6M has the advantage.
01-09-2004, 12:45 PM
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TQ > MPG
Exactly Scalbert. The shift into 4th right before the traps really irritates me. If only they made 3rd go to about 98mph then us 6 speeders wouldnt have to waste a tenth or two by shifting into 4th. My dad's stock 00 GT can run the 1/4 mile in 3rd and trust me it makes a difference. It is just about at redline at the traps, but if he short-shifts it at 5500 like every other gear his mph goes up alittle, but he consistently loses 2-3 tenths.
Has anyone tried taller tires to see if the negating of a shift before the traps overcomes the loss of gearing?
Has anyone tried taller tires to see if the negating of a shift before the traps overcomes the loss of gearing?
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