f-ing edmunds...
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f-ing edmunds...
how is it that they rip into the cl-s like crazy, but when they do a comparison test for entry luxury vehicles including a bmw 330 and is300, the tl-s comes in 1st place?
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...8/article.html
wasnt Liz Kim the chick that ripped us a new one in her article? dumb byotch...
just venting...cant understand how they can rate a 4 door version of our car so high when they give the 2 door version a "bad" review...
alright...done w/ my rant...time for some july 4th BBQ...
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...8/article.html
wasnt Liz Kim the chick that ripped us a new one in her article? dumb byotch...
just venting...cant understand how they can rate a 4 door version of our car so high when they give the 2 door version a "bad" review...
alright...done w/ my rant...time for some july 4th BBQ...
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Its been discussed many times that the media just doesnt like the 2 door 3.2 variant. We may never know why...but what the hell...it might make people not want to buy and it and therefore more exclusivity. 
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I think mags cut more slack for sedans, which is what the Edmunds comparo is.... best sports sedans!! Be happy in the knowledge that we silently accept the award for the CL-S as well since our cars are the "twin" to the TL in almost every way. Maybe they expect different results with 2 doors??!*^)(@**
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Originally posted by Black_Pride:
<STRONG>I bet she drives a IS300....wasn't that her car i saw being towed yesterday??
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<STRONG>I bet she drives a IS300....wasn't that her car i saw being towed yesterday??
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Listening to the video review and reading the article I felt like the TL-S was constantly being slammed the whole time. I was checking everything over again and again jus to make sure that in the end it really did beat the 330. It was literally being slammed the whole time
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that article, like the other liz kim one, has a lot of mistakes. the first one i found was on the intro page where she states that a criteria is at least 200hp. the end of the next paragraph, she says they didn't include an A4 because a new one is going to be introduced in 2002...the most powerful a4 is only 190hp, it shouldn't even be mentioned!
this, of course, coming from a tl-s owner.
i'd like to see that from a reliable source...or was this what someone told you? 'cuz i had a friend that works for gm that told me those cars are as reliable as any toyota. he's in the industry, it must be true!
Originally posted by SSMAN66:
<STRONG>I have spoken with many automotive journalists and test drivers on this issue. Most aren't pleased with the handling of the CL-S. The TL-S has a longer wheelbase, and is better balanced. Anyone who has spent significant time in the driver's seat of both cars will attest to this.</STRONG>
<STRONG>I have spoken with many automotive journalists and test drivers on this issue. Most aren't pleased with the handling of the CL-S. The TL-S has a longer wheelbase, and is better balanced. Anyone who has spent significant time in the driver's seat of both cars will attest to this.</STRONG>
i'd like to see that from a reliable source...or was this what someone told you? 'cuz i had a friend that works for gm that told me those cars are as reliable as any toyota. he's in the industry, it must be true!
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Originally posted by SSMAN66:
<STRONG>mrdeeno - That didn't simply come from a TL-S owner. It came from an employee of Honda Motor Company who has logged a tremendous amount of seat time in both models. I have probably spent more time behind the wheel of a CL-S than most owners ever will.
Get your CL-S into a very hard turn with the VSA off. You'll find that when you're setting the car up for the turn the rear will lift. If you apply too much throttle through the apex of the turn you'll find yourself facing the opposite direction that you intended. I have never had that experience in the TL-S.....no matter how hard I've pushed the car.
I didn't intend my statements to be taken as an anti CL-S campaign, as you've obviously taken it. I am an avid enthusiast of both models, however it's a fact that the TL-S does handle better, and it does have better balance.
[ 07-04-2001: Message edited by: SSMAN66 ]</STRONG>
<STRONG>mrdeeno - That didn't simply come from a TL-S owner. It came from an employee of Honda Motor Company who has logged a tremendous amount of seat time in both models. I have probably spent more time behind the wheel of a CL-S than most owners ever will.
Get your CL-S into a very hard turn with the VSA off. You'll find that when you're setting the car up for the turn the rear will lift. If you apply too much throttle through the apex of the turn you'll find yourself facing the opposite direction that you intended. I have never had that experience in the TL-S.....no matter how hard I've pushed the car.
I didn't intend my statements to be taken as an anti CL-S campaign, as you've obviously taken it. I am an avid enthusiast of both models, however it's a fact that the TL-S does handle better, and it does have better balance.
[ 07-04-2001: Message edited by: SSMAN66 ]</STRONG>
Well, I am now modded and have been doing more driving with VSA off in the hills (since my crushed rock encounters -- long story).
I don't know if it is the Toyos or the sways, but I have never experience the turning behavior that you've described.. However, I didn't like the push in the car with stock tires, and the car's balance is quite different now...
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