bLacK ThUndeR

can you guys believe that my 2003 6 speed cl type s has to have its engine replaced. the car has 24k miles. and what makes matter worse is that they are making me pay for the labor which equals 2000 dollars b/c of supposed driver error anyone have a comment or similar story? I clearly think acura should pay for the whole job, but they aren't budging on the deal. They said that this problem happens bc i skipped to many gears when down shifting. (BULL!) i've had a manual trans. since i got my d/l and this is my 4th acura/honda. I am disapointed.

mattg

so you don't remeber over-revving the shit out of it?

MaCe

4th to 2nd will do that everytime~!

bLacK ThUndeR

if i over-revved the shit out of the car i wouldn't have a problem with the issue. i dont shift the car at 3000 rpm everytime, bu ti dont abuse the car. It was weird bc the car was running fine so i thought it was just a sensor issue or somethin, but it turned out to be a major issue

3.2cl-s

i did that in my celica and they covered it.......well only the first time.

Did you go from the top of 3rd gear to 2nd gear on accident?

Ant7701

was ur check-engine light on. If so they could tell what engine rpm and shifting position and speed caused ur problem. Meaning it could say 2nd gear at 70 mph at 7200rpm...meaning driver error.

3.2cl-s

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...hreadid=127642

did you read this thread? read what Allmotor had to say about it .

sidemarker

i thought the ecu stores the shifting behaviors so they should know exactly what happen to the engine???

sidemarker

sidemarker

you should take your car to another dealership

sidemarker

Ant7701

It does store the info but only the info that causes a check engine lite...so if he fucked up and broke something and the ecu picked it up...then there's no way he could talk out of it.

3.2cl-s

but dont the ecu codes erase after a few miles?

sidemarker

so i guess the question is did the check engine light come on?

if so can he ask for the technical readouts to prove that he indeed cause the problem to the motor?

sidemarker

sgmotoring

Did you redline on 3rd and shift into 2nd instead of 4th? Anyway how high did you rev the engine? Do you know if they are replacing a long block, head assembly or just valves and guides? If they are replacing the heads assembly or the valves, $2000 in labor is too high. That is equivalent to about 30hr of work.

zeroday

the j is a solid motor...you are the only person i have ever heard of with a major engine problem...

scalbert

I suspect the ECU stored some freeze frame data showing 8500+ revs due to a missed shift. This would be a the only reason why they could claim user error.

bigman

my friend had a cl-s 6speed and he did the infamous 4-2 downshift. Needed a new engine.

Chaptorial

Well thats one thing us SS don't have to worry about. Thank god for the Auto.

Scrib

OK... How in the hell do you do something like this? I could see wanting to go from 3rd gear (at redline) and instead of going to 4th and hitting 2nd, but... 4th to 2nd???? And blowing the motor up? That's not a miss...


How?

Bluto

Auto trannys are cheaper than engines.

In our case, free for 100k.

There is the whole driving experience though

Shawn S

Yea, you don’t have to worry about having too much fun driving either.

Chaptorial

Yeah especially in traffic.

ChadT

I think he may have meant that he shifted into second instead of 4th.

astro

i think you're lucky to get a free motor period.

nandowong

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

What was the code they got from the engine? What is broke? What are they replaceing? Here's my story...

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...ighlight=broke

bLacK ThUndeR

they said that the engine code said that there was low compression. They didn't specically say anything about the code. The first dealership didn't even find the problem when the light was on. I am 100% positive i never misshifted when i down shifted. If anything the only thing that i can recall is not catching a gear while upshifting once or twice, but the tranny didn't engage in any gear (was in neutral). the rep said that they would more than 90% cover it, but declined a few weeks later. They took the head off and said that the valve show iit was floating or something.

bLacK ThUndeR

hey thanks for the link fuzzy. hey do you guys think that the issue with the timing belt tensioner recall might have caused the damage bc i looked up the vin# and im pretty sure that my car falls into the recall. my car has 24k miles and i never got a recall leter in the mail though. acura is startin to get me mad

CLean

Many cars that i have had in 5-speed have a disclaimer stating that the gasoline engine was not designed to holdback a car during a downshift at any RPM.

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

Ask them what code it was. If there was an over-rev condition, it will have a code stored. You have a right to know. On my car I had no check engine light, but the code was stored. If there was no code like that they really can't blame you, & you should take it up with Customer care. Also if your car is part of the recall, make them understand that. It could be the cause. Did you call Acura? Did you talk to the acura rep. If not, you need to do that first. The dealer cannot just make you pay for it without Acura involved first.

bLacK ThUndeR

i talked to the rep at the dealership and opened a case at acura headquarters, but didn't get a reply from them yet concerning that them covering the entire job. Im going to call them tomorrow and ask about the recall issue, we'll see what happens

jproy

keep us posted

Ant7701

good luck..

Chopsie

Man, this sucks, good luck with it. If it's not your fault, make those bastards understand it

pimpscls

that sucks man

ferizzo

Any word on this?