drove a 2003 MB CL600 493hp
12-03-2002, 06:48 PM
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drove a 2003 MB CL600 493hp
V12 Twin Turbo, 493hp 590 ft lb's of torque, it is indeed, an animal
although seemed like last years off the bottom, but then in a second WOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH it just pulls
this is one awsome car!
although seemed like last years off the bottom, but then in a second WOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH it just pulls
this is one awsome car!
12-03-2002, 07:33 PM
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well the reason why it seems like last years off the bottom end is because MB restricts the engine output with their ecu because all that torque on a very short gear such as 1st gear would just rip all the motor mounts off of that car...so output is restricted in 1st gear on that car...
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Awesome car, but now that the SL is out....it's killing CL sales.
My oldman just picked up an E500, and is ordering an SL500 for Spring 04. I asked about the CL's residual in comparison (curious), its being getting hammered since the SL came out. Also, the CL has been out since 2000 which is also contributing to the dropping resale.
The dealer won't write an SL55 factory order for less than $25k over sticker, they have one available now for $150k....crazy.
My oldman just picked up an E500, and is ordering an SL500 for Spring 04. I asked about the CL's residual in comparison (curious), its being getting hammered since the SL came out. Also, the CL has been out since 2000 which is also contributing to the dropping resale.
The dealer won't write an SL55 factory order for less than $25k over sticker, they have one available now for $150k....crazy.
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i didn't think the 600's hit the production lines till january, unleast that's what i read in some MBZ article somewhere. I could of been wrong though. You are one lucky bitch.
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Originally posted by Beltfed
The dealer won't write an SL55 factory order for less than $25k over sticker, they have one available now for $150k....crazy.
The dealer won't write an SL55 factory order for less than $25k over sticker, they have one available now for $150k....crazy.
i'd call MBZ NA, dealers shouldn't be marking up prices on ordered cars. They should only be marking up prices on cars that they purchased and have. You shouldn't be paying a markup and waiting 6 months to a year for the car. Atleast that's how most BMW dealerships worked on the m cars.
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Originally posted by ghander
i'd call MBZ NA, dealers shouldn't be marking up prices on ordered cars. They should only be marking up prices on cars that they purchased and have. You shouldn't be paying a markup and waiting 6 months to a year for the car. Atleast that's how most BMW dealerships worked on the m cars.
i'd call MBZ NA, dealers shouldn't be marking up prices on ordered cars. They should only be marking up prices on cars that they purchased and have. You shouldn't be paying a markup and waiting 6 months to a year for the car. Atleast that's how most BMW dealerships worked on the m cars.
The only dealers that can't charge over MSRP are factory stores (like MB of Manhattan).
Quick story, a good friend of one of the higher ups at MB got him an SL55 at MB of Manhattan for MSRP......the guy that same week he picked up the car went to a dealer on Long Island and flipped it for $25k more than he paid. They found it was the second time he did this, the first time involved a CL when it first came out.
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damn
imagine what a downpipe, intake and chip will do to this car
I read that the new 600s have same engine and tranny as the maybach albeit detuned though...however, i'm pretty sure if thats the case then making the extra hp won't be a problem
imagine what a downpipe, intake and chip will do to this car
I read that the new 600s have same engine and tranny as the maybach albeit detuned though...however, i'm pretty sure if thats the case then making the extra hp won't be a problem
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Originally posted by Beltfed
That doesn't work, private MB and BMW dealers can do basically whatever they want. Just look at what was going on with the Z8 and M3 for the longest time. Look at the Ferrari 360 Spyder, you can't touch that car for less than $30-$40k over sticker to date.
The only dealers that can't charge over MSRP are factory stores (like MB of Manhattan).
Quick story, a good friend of one of the higher ups at MB got him an SL55 at MB of Manhattan for MSRP......the guy that same week he picked up the car went to a dealer on Long Island and flipped it for $25k more than he paid. They found it was the second time he did this, the first time involved a CL when it first came out.
That doesn't work, private MB and BMW dealers can do basically whatever they want. Just look at what was going on with the Z8 and M3 for the longest time. Look at the Ferrari 360 Spyder, you can't touch that car for less than $30-$40k over sticker to date.
The only dealers that can't charge over MSRP are factory stores (like MB of Manhattan).
Quick story, a good friend of one of the higher ups at MB got him an SL55 at MB of Manhattan for MSRP......the guy that same week he picked up the car went to a dealer on Long Island and flipped it for $25k more than he paid. They found it was the second time he did this, the first time involved a CL when it first came out.
. Seriously, we got a 1999 Odyssey EX w/aftmkt leather, woodtrim, gold grille, etc... ordered on Oct 31st, 1998 and paid about $1000 less than MSRP while, our American friends were getting FLEECED and paying over sticker. Demand here was equally as bad but LAWs in Canada for Consumers rock. Hondas are cheaper in Canada even after Conversion and in fact, even with the 15% tax applied to it. My point, I can't believe it's allowable to have dealers and such charging more than MSRP!!!!!!!!
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i must've seen at least 5 (CL 500's, 600's) of those today in manhattan....they were everywhere!!!...pretty ironic that i came home and saw this thread...that car is HOT...sometimes i think Acura CL is a "knockoff" of the benz CL (even though they're 2 completely diff. classes...)
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Originally posted by SicK TypeS
i must've seen at least 5 (CL 500's, 600's) of those today in manhattan....they were everywhere!!!
i must've seen at least 5 (CL 500's, 600's) of those today in manhattan....they were everywhere!!!
Overall, MB benz cars were never that elusive, no matter how expensive a model is or was......I see them around.
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Originally posted by Beltfed
That doesn't work, private MB and BMW dealers can do basically whatever they want. Just look at what was going on with the Z8 and M3 for the longest time. Look at the Ferrari 360 Spyder, you can't touch that car for less than $30-$40k over sticker to date.
The only dealers that can't charge over MSRP are factory stores (like MB of Manhattan).
Quick story, a good friend of one of the higher ups at MB got him an SL55 at MB of Manhattan for MSRP......the guy that same week he picked up the car went to a dealer on Long Island and flipped it for $25k more than he paid. They found it was the second time he did this, the first time involved a CL when it first came out.
That doesn't work, private MB and BMW dealers can do basically whatever they want. Just look at what was going on with the Z8 and M3 for the longest time. Look at the Ferrari 360 Spyder, you can't touch that car for less than $30-$40k over sticker to date.
The only dealers that can't charge over MSRP are factory stores (like MB of Manhattan).
Quick story, a good friend of one of the higher ups at MB got him an SL55 at MB of Manhattan for MSRP......the guy that same week he picked up the car went to a dealer on Long Island and flipped it for $25k more than he paid. They found it was the second time he did this, the first time involved a CL when it first came out.
a few family friends have ordered M cars and they were able to get them all at MSRP as long as they ordered the cars and didn't try to buy what was laying on the dealers lots. They were all bought from different dealers. And talking to an MBZ dealer about the SL's w/ my father we were told there'd be no mark up if you ordered the car. Guess you just gotta find the right dealers.
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Originally posted by ghander
a few family friends have ordered M cars and they were able to get them all at MSRP as long as they ordered the cars and didn't try to buy what was laying on the dealers lots. They were all bought from different dealers. And talking to an MBZ dealer about the SL's w/ my father we were told there'd be no mark up if you ordered the car. Guess you just gotta find the right dealers.
a few family friends have ordered M cars and they were able to get them all at MSRP as long as they ordered the cars and didn't try to buy what was laying on the dealers lots. They were all bought from different dealers. And talking to an MBZ dealer about the SL's w/ my father we were told there'd be no mark up if you ordered the car. Guess you just gotta find the right dealers.
Most dealers will write an SL500 on a factory order for MSRP- never said they wouldn't. The earliest incoming car at MSRP (not a factory order) that I was able to find was set to come in during July. I'm sure there are some dealers in the country, who have them in stock for MSRP. But the situation is still a bit sticky in certain areas.
What you will "not" find (as I mentioned earlier) is an SL55 for MSRP........in stock or on a factory order. The car is still too hot and in demand.
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Originally posted by Beltfed
These days you can find M3's for MSRP sitting on dealer lots, ordering at MSRP has been going on for quite awhile actually. I never said you couldn't get M3s for MSRP. Hell, you can get Z8's at a discount now.
These days you can find M3's for MSRP sitting on dealer lots, ordering at MSRP has been going on for quite awhile actually. I never said you couldn't get M3s for MSRP. Hell, you can get Z8's at a discount now.
these were all in the first batch's that came. You can find them below MSRP almost all over now.
I hear what you are saying. Maybe in a month or so the SL55's will be able to be factory ordered at below msrp. I bet you can still find some dealers out there that'll let you order at MSRP, but most will probally not.
12-04-2002, 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by allmotor_2000
The current CL600 and S600 are NOT the twin-turbo models. The twin-turbo V12's will appear mid 2003. Don't get confused here!!
The current CL600 and S600 are NOT the twin-turbo models. The twin-turbo V12's will appear mid 2003. Don't get confused here!!
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Originally posted by SilverCL225hp
If I happen to win this car in a lucky draw, I won't have the guts to drive it out to ANYWHERE.
If I happen to win this car in a lucky draw, I won't have the guts to drive it out to ANYWHERE.
12-04-2002, 05:56 PM
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i met the owner today as he was taking deliver of this car, nice guy, i think he is going to ditch the stock 18 inch wheels for something either chrome or larger and chrome,
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it goes like this: MSRP =$xxxxxx, DEALERS MAY sell for LESS!
At least that's the fine print on every Canadian ad.
I know this for a FACT because, every Mercedes dealer in the Toronto Area, for the LONGEST TIME has been willing to either sell at MSRP or $500 below MSRP.
I know this because my parents wanted to acquire a nicely equipped 4dr Benz that doesn't come with All-wheel drive until 2003 and well, this flagship sedan they liked and heck even the C-Class are discounted by $500.
I'm so sorry if the case in the USA is any different. I want to live in the States but am saddened by things like this.
At least that's the fine print on every Canadian ad
.I know this for a FACT because, every Mercedes dealer in the Toronto Area, for the LONGEST TIME has been willing to either sell at MSRP or $500 below MSRP.
I know this because my parents wanted to acquire a nicely equipped 4dr Benz that doesn't come with All-wheel drive until 2003 and well, this flagship sedan they liked and heck even the C-Class are discounted by $500.
I'm so sorry if the case in the USA is any different. I want to live in the States but am saddened by things like this.
12-05-2002, 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by acura_service
we sell speciality (hard to get cars like the cl600, sl500, sl55) cars at sticker, all others we deal on
we sell speciality (hard to get cars like the cl600, sl500, sl55) cars at sticker, all others we deal on
Many dealers appear to still be charging premiums on some AMG cars......SL55 is the most desirable currently.
The dealers I checked with on LI, will not write one for MSRP on a factory order.
12-05-2002, 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by acura_service
we sell speciality (hard to get cars like the cl600, sl500, sl55) cars at sticker, all others we deal on
we sell speciality (hard to get cars like the cl600, sl500, sl55) cars at sticker, all others we deal on
.. USA is allowed to charge more than MSRP.. CANADA is NOT.NOW, assuming, to be fair, the USA SL55 has more standard features on the BASE model than Canada... WELL, in the end, after the options added on I mean every option on the Canadian model added on, the Canadian model is still cheaper andhas MORE stuff like the AMG Skirt pkg, etc for LESS money... I got the info from CAN & USA Mercedes sites.
Mercedes Benz Canada:
SL55 AMG Base Price: $165,000.00 = $104,430 USD(58%)
PAINT:
- Desert Silver Metallic N/C
UPHOLSTERY:
- Upholstery Stone Leather N/C
INTERIOR OPTIONS:
- Integrated Motorola V60 portable telephone system* $2,980.00
- Wood/Leather Shift Knob $220.00
- Wood/Leather Steering Wheel $850.00
- Climate comfort seats $1,250.00
- Multi-Contoured Left Front Seat $770.00
- Multi-Contoured Right Front Seat $770.00
- Black ash wood trim N/C
EXTERIOR OPTIONS:
- Distronic $3,995.00
- Parktronic System $1,500.00
- Panorama retractable roof with manual sunshade $2,585.00
- Tire Pressure Monitor System $930.00
- Bi-Xenon Headlamps $400.00
- AMG Sport Package $8,825.00 (me: BODYKIT, rims)
Options: $25,075.00
Total Price: $190,075.00 (CDN) = $113,000US (58%)
MBUSA.com:
A BASE SL 55AMG
M.S.R.P.* $113,915.00 = $178,540 (58%)CDN
Exterior Color (Metallic paints are standard for this model.)
Diamond Silver Metallic1 $0.00
Interior Color
AMG Charcoal/Black $0.00
Wood Trims
Chestnut Trim $0.00
Options
Bi-Xenon Headlamps details $900.00
Distronic details $2,950.00
Motorola V60 phone w/Voice Control details $1,995.00
Panorama Roof w/Sunshade details $1,800.00
Parktronic details $1,035.00
Tire-Pressure Monitoring System details $630.00
Accessories
Wood and Leather Shift Knob details $378.00
Wood and Leather Trimmed Steering Wheel details $810.00
AMG Multispoke Wheel (STAGGERED) details $3,000.00 (me: Just wheels!)
Luxury Tax $3,604.32
Gas Guzzler Tax $2,100.00
Total $133,117.31 Me: subtract $5704.32 (USA Lux tax & Guzzler tax)=$127,412.99 US @ (58%) = 201,312.52 (CDN)
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Acura CL-S (can't purchase NAVI in Canada) auto MSRP CDN$42,750.00 (incl. $950 freight) =USD$27403.85
to make it less painful
to you CL'ers, I will use the more accurate 56% exch) USD$
Acura CL-S (NON-NAVI) auto MSRP USD$ = $31050=CDN$48438
to make it less painful
to you CL'ers, I will use the more accurate 56% exch) USD$ Acura CL-S (NON-NAVI) auto MSRP USD$ = $31050=CDN$48438
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Originally posted by acura_service
allmotor, i am employed at a mercedes benz dealer, i am a service writer, the car is 136,000.00 states on the window sticker it is a twin turbo with 493hp and 590 foot lbs of torque and physically has 2 turbo's on it, and have driven the 2002 non turbo version also, this one is not the same, this one flat out rocks. it is one of the ultimates! and this is still 2002, don't believe everything you read in magazines
allmotor, i am employed at a mercedes benz dealer, i am a service writer, the car is 136,000.00 states on the window sticker it is a twin turbo with 493hp and 590 foot lbs of torque and physically has 2 turbo's on it, and have driven the 2002 non turbo version also, this one is not the same, this one flat out rocks. it is one of the ultimates! and this is still 2002, don't believe everything you read in magazines
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Engine Intercooled twin-turbocharged 5,513-cc SOHC 36-valve 60° V-12. Two-piece high-pressure die-cast alloy cylinder block. Alloy heads and pistons. Die-cast magnesium cylinder head covers.
12-05-2002, 09:03 AM
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If you did, then the cars are coming out of NJ here transported to a MB Event. or Press Fleet Account there in the City. All MB Vehicles are stored here in NJ for MB and the shipped to wherever for North East Region for Press Events. or a MB Sponsored Event. I've been to the warehouse a few times. Lots of the newest cars shipped directly from Germany, some of the cars are still set for German.
Originally posted by SicK TypeS
i must've seen at least 5 (CL 500's, 600's) of those today in manhattan....they were everywhere!!!...pretty ironic that i came home and saw this thread...that car is HOT...sometimes i think Acura CL is a "knockoff" of the benz CL (even though they're 2 completely diff. classes...)
i must've seen at least 5 (CL 500's, 600's) of those today in manhattan....they were everywhere!!!...pretty ironic that i came home and saw this thread...that car is HOT...sometimes i think Acura CL is a "knockoff" of the benz CL (even though they're 2 completely diff. classes...)
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The one think i like about the car isn't too gaudy. You can get away with driving it and people wont be able to pick ur car out easily and key it.
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Originally posted by NJ_CLS_driver
If you did, then the cars are coming out of NJ here transported to a MB Event. or Press Fleet Account there in the City. All MB Vehicles are stored here in NJ for MB and the shipped to wherever for North East Region for Press Events. or a MB Sponsored Event. I've been to the warehouse a few times. Lots of the newest cars shipped directly from Germany, some of the cars are still set for German.
If you did, then the cars are coming out of NJ here transported to a MB Event. or Press Fleet Account there in the City. All MB Vehicles are stored here in NJ for MB and the shipped to wherever for North East Region for Press Events. or a MB Sponsored Event. I've been to the warehouse a few times. Lots of the newest cars shipped directly from Germany, some of the cars are still set for German.
12-06-2002, 06:40 AM
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Possible,
But I know the warehouse if full of 03 E55, new S55, CL55, and the CLK55.
They are doing a big show for the *55 AMG models.
But I know the warehouse if full of 03 E55, new S55, CL55, and the CLK55.
They are doing a big show for the *55 AMG models.
Originally posted by Acura3.0CLP
Or the CL's he saw were not brand new and could be 2002's ore below...
Or the CL's he saw were not brand new and could be 2002's ore below...
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Y'know, I live in Bflo area and w/ the Free Trade Agreement I should be able to drive across the border to buy a car. I think the problem wld be registering it b/c I would pay sales tax in Canada, and to register it, I would pay tax again on the sales price since NYS in its infinitely greedy scheme of things, wld wanna piece of the action!!:angry: In the long run, I would end up paying more perhaps 
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