Hi guys. My 2001 CLS tranny is getting ready to retire and I have no warranty because of salvage title. I have been driving it for about 10k miles since it first started slipping. It's now at 61k miles. I've been using the sport shift to prolong getting a replacement. I am looking for a core for a rebuild. I called a few dismantlers and they say that the CLS and CLP tranny's are different. I don't remember anyone ever mentioning that it is different and I've be on here for awhile. I remember someone saying that the TL non type-S wouldn't work in the CLS or TLS. Does anyone know if I can put a CLP tranny in my CLS? My tranny code is BGFA. What is it on the CLP.

 

that was me asking about the new tl tranny. it doesn't matter if they are different. i think they would have the same issues.

 

The thing is that I'm looking for one to rebuild first, so that it will be a quick replacement. I don't want to be without a car for a few days. I will also rebuild my old tranny in case the new one takes a dump. I think this will be the best way since I plan on keeping the car. This will be my first auto tranny rebuild but I do know a few people that know how rebuild the tranny in case I run into any problems. I have done a few 5speed manuals myself so I know I'm very capable. I know once I rebuild one it'll be a breeze the next time around. I just want to know if I would have any problems putting the CLP or TLS tranny in.

 

I thought they were the same.

 

I believe you are correct but I've been wrong before...

 

 

They are all the same. TL-S, CL-S, CL-P, TL-P (except for the 99).

 

You were probably told it was different because the person knew of the '03 CL-S to have had the 6-speed and thought they all came that way. Maybe they assumed they were that way and would be very different (obviously)...
The only reason I would think it to be different at all (CLP and CLS auto) and this is just a non professional guess, would be the torque converter and/or the splines on the axels.. ... That is if there were any difference, that is all I can think of...
I had an '85 Canadian model Honda Prelude that I had issues with the axels not being the right size (and I worked at a parts store at the time) when I ordered the...
I was told by an older gentleman ath te dealership that the '07 TL is going to have the 3.5 and would be a significant change because of needing a "beefed up tranny" (his words). I don't know how true that is or would be, but if it has the same bolt patterns one might be able to put it on a 3.2 (like I said, if it fit) and not have these dreaded tranny problems... I have had three and I bought it used at 54k...



Late...

 

I talked to 3 different yards and they all said the same thing. I also made it clear that I was looking for an auto tranny. I'm pretty sure it will bolt to my engine but are there sensors that might/might not need to be hooked up. I don't want to have to deal with check engine lights. Also are the gear ratios different? I remember rebuilding a couple of civic tranny's from the same year. One was a ex and the other a dx. I worked on them at the same time. They appeared to be the same but when I opened them up they were different. Different size gears, shafts, bearings, etc... it was totally different. And they were swappable (the dx tranny can hook up to the ex engine and vice-versa). Sensor plugs were different also.

 

Anyone here that has actually worked on these transmission? Or someone who can say they had a CLP or TLS tranny put into their CLS. Can you guys give me the tranny code for your CLP and/or TLS tranny. This will be very helpful. Thanks

 

I would ask an acura dealer if they are different. They should know

 

Heres a little question you have me wondering about...
If the TLS is a larger car than the CLS, would the gears actually be different internally and would there be a possibility that the different gears would actually give you better low end torque because the lower body weight???
Simple minded and long question that could be for nothing, sorry...

 

I think the TL is .5" longer than the CL if i remember correctly....

 

2nd Gen TL/CL Gearing ratio

Automatic / Manual

1st
2.563
2.563 / 3.933

2nd
1.552
1.552 / 2.478

3rd
1.021
1.021 / 1.700

4th
0.653
0.653 / 1.250

5th
0.470
0.470 / 0.976

6th
na
na / 0.771

Reverse
1.846
1.846 / 4.008

Final
4.428
4.428 / 3.286

 

Factory manual for 2001 CL/CLS shows different # of clutch disks in one of the forward gears...

 

Which gear is it? And what are the number of clutch discs.

 

I found out that the CLS has 6 clutch discs and plates in the 2nd clutch drum while the CLP only has 5 discs and plates. The rest off the gears are the same. Just letting you guys know.

 

Dang it beat me to it

I looked it up and Acura states "CL type S has increased 2nd gear clutch holding capacity"......

 

What does all that mean? Is the Type S tranny superior to the Premium? If so, then it sucks for me.

 

It means both seem to fail at an equal rate so it didn't do a damn thing for reliability.

 

Normally this would indicate that trans is beefed up for the extra HP and if there were not lubrication / QC issues with other areas of the trans, this would suffice for the extra 35hp and associated above that this trans would get.......

 

But aren't we having trouble with the 3rd gear slipping? We only have 5 discs and plates in the 3rd gear clutch pack. How about adding a 6th disc and plate. Sounds like it would improve holding compacity and life of the 3rd gear. Is this possible? Someone with little more knowledge on transmissions could chime in.

 

increasing lubrication to the clutch pack would go a long way to resolve this problem as well as using better q/c on the clutch pack material..

 

Hopefullly those two things have been implemented in the latest tranny revision.

 

thank you sir for that chuckle