Nashua_Night_Hawk

Staright from CT:
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dyno/av6scfinal.pdf
<pre>
Comptech Supercharger Wheel HP 1998 Accord 3.0L V6:
RPM Stock H, E S/C, H, E
5600 161 172 200 ( max Stock, H, E )
6400 131 144 221 ( max SC. H, E)
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<pre>
Comptech Supercharger Torque 1998 Accord 3.0L V6:
RPM H, E S/C, H, E
5400 163.4 187.2 ( max H, E )
5800 154.1 190.3 ( max SC. H, E)
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Cost: 4,495 plus installation

moomaster_99

Looks even better now....maybe $3500-4500 isnt all bad....

ruvz

very impressive numbers... wow!!

I assume headers are not included in the SC package?

charliemike

Jeezus ...

Those curves make me wonder sometimes ... 100whp at 3500RPM?

Who drives at 6000RPM? I sure don't for prolonged periods of time ...

Samer007

how much higher would those numbers be for the Type S

Black CL-S 4-Life

Sweet the Accord should run low to mid 14's. When is the supercharger comming out for the CL-S?

Nashua_Night_Hawk

50-WHP is very impressive... yeah.... that's cool... @ $90/WHP
that makes the Headers a real bargain at $52/WHP!

Enjoy your ride.

Dom418

49 HP is the best gain from the SC.... I'm not all that impressed by that.. not for $4,500.

I would be curious to see what the SC can do with smaller pullies, then it MAY ALMOST be worth looking into...

can't wait to see a Type S dyno

e1828

yea do not forget to factor in installation costs that will run your $/WHP even higher than $90/whp.. try over $100 per +1 gain in WHP.

Also, there is a typo for the torque section where it shows the difference at 5800 rpm to be 62.6 when in reality if you do the math correctly should be 36.2 (190.3-154.1).

moomaster_99

Dude!! WTF!! Are you talking about...the peak WHP gain is 70 whp gain over just headers and exhaust.....the 39whp is the peak gain at the stock peak power....the power is spread out over the entire powerband...in effect, if you are racing your car...it has moved your entire powerband....meaning you are making a lot of usable power at the top before shifting....the peak torque gain is 63.4 lbs.!!! As for city driving...you are making an additional 18-30 lbs. of torque and 10-30 whp from 3-4K....which is your passing band....this is over headers and exhaust...I wasn't too impressed at first, but if you bother to look at that dyno it makes more torque at 3000 rpms than it does with headers and exhaust at peak torque.

JRock

Don't say that around here, the comptech headers support group will come after you and claim you shouldn't be driving a Type S!!!!

JRock

Hey instead of all this arguing how about someone compares the area under the SC dyno line to the area under the headers/intake/exhaust line with the area between the H/I/E and stock lines and come up with a ratio of the two.

Then compare the ratio of the prices of each (SC package vs headers/intake/exhaust) and you'll probably realize the overall costs are fairly on target with the amount of power you're getting.

JRock

No, the pdf clearly states the increase in peak HP (at their different rpms) is only 49 whp. However, the max gain isn't at the peak. Actually I think that's what you're trying to say but you shouldn't use the word "peak" in your sentence using "70 whp".

Red Rider

1. You don't have headers
2. You don't want headers
3. You don't need headers
4. Get over it.

Thank you Red Rider
Charter Member
Comptech Headers Support Group Inc.

H@mmerm@n

Nicky Pass

I don't think 40 hp is worth $5000

mattg

msrp = $4495


you will be able to buy it off the net for less than 4k though.

Dom418

MOO,

I'm not trying to argue here, but it CLEARLY states on the Dyno chart the Peak HP before S/C is 172, peak HP after S/C is 221, = an increase of 49 HP.... I think you're including the gain from the headers and exhaust into you calc..., that's all...

I do agree that it produces pretty nice gains across the full RPM Band

DOM

JRock

Look at the amount of new area under the horsepower line. It's about three times what just intake,headers,exhaust will get you. So figure three times that price is what it should cost (although actually more because an SC involves a lot more R&D than non-moving-part mods.)

I'd say it's pretty fairly priced for what you get, although still a little steep. But if you bought Comptech headers, you can't complain - those things are at least as overpriced for what you get as this SC is. :P

haiduc

for all you people that are complainig about the price of the supercharger..... dont!

just think what a simple pulley mod will do for your powerband.

Dom418

This is wwhat I am dying to Know??? any clue what we could raise the Boost to with a pulley swap???

I know on a GTP it raises it to like 11 psi:P

Do the 1st Gen's have a S/C available??

DOM

BNut

There is already one Company which is an authorized CompTech dealer that is taking pre-orders for $3,900. CompTech suggests a 6 install time which means you are looking at somewhere b/w 6 x $60 ($360) to 6 x $80 ($480) for install costs.

That means WITH installation you could come in under $4,500.

Problem is you still need a transmission cooler ($50 plus $60 to install) and a smaller battery ($40-$50).

So you total grand damage would be about $4,700.

You guys will get MUCH better low end gains than the Accord.

Our cars are restricted to a SINGLE intake valve below 3,500 rpms where as you guys get full use of BOTH valves below your VTEC switchover. We currently have a member that is in the process of swapping out the CL-S camshafts in his Accord. In additionto the two camshafts we also have to purchase a CL-S cam gear.

Dom418

Wouldn't it be cheaper/easier just to buy a CL-S ??

I can't imagine 01's are going for that much $$$ now? More power to him if he can pull it off though.. it will certainly be one of the fastest Accords out there!!!

DOM

Rod

I want to see how the auto tranny will handle the extra power, especially when changing the pulley. I definitely don't want to be the guinea pig.

BNut

LOL, in my case it wouldn't be cheaper. I paid 20,500 for my Accord (excluding TT&L) so spending $300 plus on the parts for CL-S camshafts is a steal! Its the labor that's a killer.

Easier? Well I don't mod cars because its easy, some of us like a challenge and we enjoy it as a hobby.

Just ask Scalbert about his prototype RES and how "easy" that was.

AtlCl

no sc for the 1gen

JRock

You would need to lower the compression before you could up the boost very much, not to mention upgrade the fuel system, most of all the injectors which are fine for the weak boost the SC will put out stock I think they said, but would need upgrading for higher boost.

scalbert

BTW, there is about an overall, area power gain of about 15.7%. That is significant and would be very noticeable. In other words, the car would accelerate harder at 4k revs with the SC than it could have ever without it.

A pulley swap on our CR might not be a viable option for most purchasing the blower. You would need to monitor knock and adjust a 4:1 rising rate regulator to compensate. We might get away with 6 PSI provided you can get the A/F in the 12:1 range.

DirtyHarryFSU

I'm not sure about your CL but my CL only has one camshaft.

Ming 2.7T

Just to be a jerk:

Stock A6 2.7T

HP LBS
250 258

Chip only
GIAC X-Chip
HP LBS
330 370


Cost: $595

Just had to do that.

Seriously, That would a nice touch to the Acura CL-S. I wonder if you have to beef up the tranny any? For that $4995 does it come with a type of Warranty ala Dinan??? If not could you purchase one thru Comptech? Wonder how many people would pay $7000 to include a warranty by Comptech??

moforose3.0

take it down to zero, by blowing the engine. To much boost for a stock engine isnt good

moomaster_99

Probably the people that would buy one anyway.....look around Ming...a lot of people here are all talk....

Black CL-S 4-Life

Just sick!

BNut

Bah... you and your 4 banger... be gone. :P

cnatra

So what's the difference in boost between OEM & the aftermarket chip ?

Dom418

apparently 80 hp !!!

j/k


I really don't know exactly how that chip works.... I sure it adjust the fuel/air mixture, engine timing, BOOST LEVELS??, etc...

I would like to know the details though

DOM

Ming 2.7T

The Stock chip is .7bar 10.152psi

Giac chip is 1.0 bar 14.503psi

GIAC X-chip is 1.2 bar(actually 1.15bar) 16.678psi

The X-chip spikes sometimes when its hot to 1.35 for a brief millisecond then returns to normal.

It remaps and changes values . You can look on the GIAC. site

WWW.giacusa.com or .org I forgot.

Bluto

Forget HP, look at the torque.

Ming is this for all 2.7Ts?

Ming 2.7T

Yes, for both the S4 and the A6 2.7T model. 6 speed and Tiptronics

There is a chip from AMS that limits the lb to 300lb(still 310hp) for the Tip cars to help with the tranny limits.

The A6 4.2 also has a GIAC ECU and Tip computer upgrade. THe improvements are less but still OK. ECU chip maybe 10-15hp.
The GIAC Tip Tranny Chip actually speeds up the shifts on the automatic, making it a little more responsive and improves times.

Dom418

That's amazing... My next car is going to be Turbo!!

How much are S4's going for now??


DOM