Clutch issues...
03-19-2003, 12:35 PM
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Clutch issues...
No, not problems with my clutch..the entire car is doing fine...except for that 2nd gear notchiness (minor gripe)...
I am having some issues...that is when I drive stick, my freakin' left leg gets kinda tiresome. Here is a problem I'm having: how do you adjust your seats accordingly? I mean, I'm not that tall and I need to depress the clutch all the way down to the floor, but if I move my seat up, I'm just a bit too close to the steering wheel but if I move it back further bit, I am just slightly uncomfortable when I have to depress the damn clutch all the way down to the floor.
This causes major fatigue..well, just driving stick causes that for me. This is my 1st stick car and now I realise why I want to drive automagic for ever. Perhaps now I'm thinking SMG style transmission is the best way to go...seriously.
Any tips on how to drive stick and not be so fatigued?
I am having some issues...that is when I drive stick, my freakin' left leg gets kinda tiresome. Here is a problem I'm having: how do you adjust your seats accordingly? I mean, I'm not that tall and I need to depress the clutch all the way down to the floor, but if I move my seat up, I'm just a bit too close to the steering wheel but if I move it back further bit, I am just slightly uncomfortable when I have to depress the damn clutch all the way down to the floor.
This causes major fatigue..well, just driving stick causes that for me. This is my 1st stick car and now I realise why I want to drive automagic for ever. Perhaps now I'm thinking SMG style transmission is the best way to go...seriously.
Any tips on how to drive stick and not be so fatigued?
03-19-2003, 12:47 PM
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Jeez....what a pussy! j/k
But seriously....if you're having issues with the clutch on a CL, just be glad that you didn't buy a manual transmission PERFORMANCE car!
The CL clutch is just about the lightest clutch I've ever experienced. If you're complaining about that clutch, you'd absolutely HATE depressing the clutch on most other cars.
Perhaps SMG would be good for you, since you can't deal with a clutch pedal.....unfortunately, you're gonna have to be willing to spend some serious $$$$ to get SMG. Maybe in the future you'll see SMG on lower priced cars.
But seriously....if you're having issues with the clutch on a CL, just be glad that you didn't buy a manual transmission PERFORMANCE car!
The CL clutch is just about the lightest clutch I've ever experienced. If you're complaining about that clutch, you'd absolutely HATE depressing the clutch on most other cars.
Perhaps SMG would be good for you, since you can't deal with a clutch pedal.....unfortunately, you're gonna have to be willing to spend some serious $$$$ to get SMG. Maybe in the future you'll see SMG on lower priced cars.
03-19-2003, 01:05 PM
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You would hate the clutch's in 5 speed trucks. Mainly the Ford kind. You just have to play with the seat. Another hint. You will have less fatigue if you don't drive with your wallet in your back pocket. No joke. It puts pressure on your lower back.
03-19-2003, 01:10 PM
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Dude, you'll get used to it. You muscles will get stronger and that's it. You just have to learn that you don't have to keep the clutch depressed long. It should be 1 second. You press it, and let go right away. You are never supposed to hold it down. Besides, on Acura's, the way the clutch workes, you don't have to depress it all the way day, it grabs at the top. With alitlle practice you'll get a hang of it.
03-19-2003, 01:13 PM
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I have to agree with Tom2: sounds like you got the wrong car - you either don't fit in it well or you need to build up your leg muscles. The CL clutch is hydraulic assisted and not hard to push on at all.
I've been driving stick for 20+ years in the heaviest of metropolitan traffic and my left leg has never been any more tired then my right.
I've been driving stick for 20+ years in the heaviest of metropolitan traffic and my left leg has never been any more tired then my right.
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03-19-2003, 01:43 PM
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That's very true about not holding the clutch down. If you stop for a lite/etc put it in neutral; if you hold the clutch down for any amount of time you're going to cause the pressure plate to go bad well before it's time/NEVER hold the clutch down and wait.
I've been driving stick since '66 and I do feel the clutch on the CL is for some reason different than most and more difficult to get a smooth start from a stop with (release point? I'm not sure); seem to have gotten used to it though hopefully you will too.
Also the advice about the wallet is absolutely true (keep mine in my shirt pocket most of the time now).
Anyway GOODLUCK hope it works out for you
tommy
I've been driving stick since '66 and I do feel the clutch on the CL is for some reason different than most and more difficult to get a smooth start from a stop with (release point? I'm not sure); seem to have gotten used to it though hopefully you will too.
Also the advice about the wallet is absolutely true (keep mine in my shirt pocket most of the time now).
Anyway GOODLUCK hope it works out for you
tommy
03-19-2003, 01:49 PM
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I can’t believe you’re getting fatigued driving the 6-Speed.
I find it a complete PLEASURE to row through the gears every day.
If you want fatigue, try driving a 1980’s vintage U-Haul truck with a 3-Speed clutch around the city moving one of your CHEAP ASS friends who refuses to hire a professional….. Hi Dom
Shawn S
PS… For whatever its worth, my 1st to 2nd “grind issue” has magically gone away this past week since the thermometer has inched above the 40-degree mark.
It looks like this is a “cold weather only” issue with the 6-Speed.
I find it a complete PLEASURE to row through the gears every day.
If you want fatigue, try driving a 1980’s vintage U-Haul truck with a 3-Speed clutch around the city moving one of your CHEAP ASS friends who refuses to hire a professional….. Hi Dom
Shawn S
PS… For whatever its worth, my 1st to 2nd “grind issue” has magically gone away this past week since the thermometer has inched above the 40-degree mark.
It looks like this is a “cold weather only” issue with the 6-Speed.
03-19-2003, 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
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For whatever its worth, my 1st to 2nd “grind issue” has magically gone away this past week since the thermometer has inched above the 40-degree mark.
It looks like this is a “cold weather only” issue with the 6-Speed. [/B]
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For whatever its worth, my 1st to 2nd “grind issue” has magically gone away this past week since the thermometer has inched above the 40-degree mark.
It looks like this is a “cold weather only” issue with the 6-Speed. [/B]
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03-19-2003, 04:03 PM
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DDT, thank god your clutch is ok and it's just your leg! j/k.
I found this to help since my legs are shorter than some. If you adjust the TILT/HEIGHT of the seat BOTTOM, this can alleviate the extra stretch your leg goes thru if the front edge of the seat is elevated too high. Know what I mean?
You can adjust the seat bottom to tilt more level or more downward. To do this you pull UP or DOWN or TILT the seat bottom adjustment, not sliding it from front to back. This helped me get my leg closer to the pedal without having to sit too close.
Just try adjusting every way till it feels better, especially the seat HEIGHT. Good luck, I think you'll find a comfortable position.
You made a good choice, love my 6 speed. Don't get a CLS auto, or if you do, I was recommended to get Onstar too so you can call them when the trans goes out!?
I found this to help since my legs are shorter than some. If you adjust the TILT/HEIGHT of the seat BOTTOM, this can alleviate the extra stretch your leg goes thru if the front edge of the seat is elevated too high. Know what I mean?
You can adjust the seat bottom to tilt more level or more downward. To do this you pull UP or DOWN or TILT the seat bottom adjustment, not sliding it from front to back. This helped me get my leg closer to the pedal without having to sit too close.
Just try adjusting every way till it feels better, especially the seat HEIGHT. Good luck, I think you'll find a comfortable position.
You made a good choice, love my 6 speed. Don't get a CLS auto, or if you do, I was recommended to get Onstar too so you can call them when the trans goes out!?
03-19-2003, 04:16 PM
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thanks guys, but I'm not being a pussy and i'm not riding down the clutch all the time...
You know I have watched numerous jap videos where they show 2 cameras..one on the bottom (clutch, brake, accel. pedal) and the other on the driver. You can see that when the driver (driving the RSX-S, NSX, and WRX), they depress the clutch down for less than one second, jam on the shift lever to shift, and then release the clutch while slamming down on the accelerator!
When i saw this, I attempted to try it..but I find that the freakin' car jerks badly. I have to basically depress the clutch all the way down and then I shift into gear then slowly release the clutch back up (about only 1.x inches is required) before I apply some gas so that i can get a SMOOTH shift. It works great that way..but anytime I let the clutch go (per se the ONE SECOND gear shifting method), the car won't shift and drive smoothly.
That is why I am fatiguing because when i shift, I have to stretch my freakin' short left leg to press the clutch all the way down, shift into a gear (and it being notchy sometimes makes it harder to shift into a gear), and then slowly release (while my left leg is stretchin' in order to release the clutch out smoothly). I'm just wondering if you guys have a better technique cause this noob is lame!
Also, I know about the throw out bearing wearing if I sit on the clutch all day long...but I usually don't..just pop into neutral when idling. But I must also shift from second into first when I'm at a stop...cause it's hard to shift into first without some force...
Thanks!
You know I have watched numerous jap videos where they show 2 cameras..one on the bottom (clutch, brake, accel. pedal) and the other on the driver. You can see that when the driver (driving the RSX-S, NSX, and WRX), they depress the clutch down for less than one second, jam on the shift lever to shift, and then release the clutch while slamming down on the accelerator!
When i saw this, I attempted to try it..but I find that the freakin' car jerks badly. I have to basically depress the clutch all the way down and then I shift into gear then slowly release the clutch back up (about only 1.x inches is required) before I apply some gas so that i can get a SMOOTH shift. It works great that way..but anytime I let the clutch go (per se the ONE SECOND gear shifting method), the car won't shift and drive smoothly.
That is why I am fatiguing because when i shift, I have to stretch my freakin' short left leg to press the clutch all the way down, shift into a gear (and it being notchy sometimes makes it harder to shift into a gear), and then slowly release (while my left leg is stretchin' in order to release the clutch out smoothly). I'm just wondering if you guys have a better technique cause this noob is lame!
Also, I know about the throw out bearing wearing if I sit on the clutch all day long...but I usually don't..just pop into neutral when idling. But I must also shift from second into first when I'm at a stop...cause it's hard to shift into first without some force...
Thanks!
03-19-2003, 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
PS… For whatever its worth, my 1st to 2nd “grind issue” has magically gone away this past week since the thermometer has inched above the 40-degree mark.
It looks like this is a “cold weather only” issue with the 6-Speed.
PS… For whatever its worth, my 1st to 2nd “grind issue” has magically gone away this past week since the thermometer has inched above the 40-degree mark.
It looks like this is a “cold weather only” issue with the 6-Speed.
Less gum'd up oil on the syncros... I noticed it too.NICE!!!
03-19-2003, 04:38 PM
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You can shift without pressing the clutch... just have to get used to it... from experience, you will know just when to notch it
down (or up) when the synchro's line up. However... mess and and get a good grind!!
down (or up) when the synchro's line up. However... mess and and get a good grind!!
03-19-2003, 05:11 PM
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yup...i've been able to shift without the clutch in all three of my hondas....a civic and 2 crx's. it works easiest going from 2-3 and 3-4. 1-2 and 4-5 isnt as smooth. it usually goes in at about 2500rpm. no grinds or anything. you can also go from neutral into 1st gear if you're rolling REAL slow.
03-19-2003, 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by FPAEP
Dude, you'll get used to it. You muscles will get stronger and that's it. You just have to learn that you don't have to keep the clutch depressed long. It should be 1 second. You press it, and let go right away. You are never supposed to hold it down. Besides, on Acura's, the way the clutch workes, you don't have to depress it all the way day, it grabs at the top. With alitlle practice you'll get a hang of it.
Dude, you'll get used to it. You muscles will get stronger and that's it. You just have to learn that you don't have to keep the clutch depressed long. It should be 1 second. You press it, and let go right away. You are never supposed to hold it down. Besides, on Acura's, the way the clutch workes, you don't have to depress it all the way day, it grabs at the top. With alitlle practice you'll get a hang of it.
RobG, I suggest you use your ball and toe to depress the clutch fully. Have the seat close enough to do this comfortably. Tilt the seat back to keep the steering wheel far enough away to be comfortable. I'm only 5-6 and find this very comfy for me.
03-20-2003, 01:47 AM
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I feel you man. This is my first stick too. I am 6'0" I need the seat all the way down and almost all the way back. I did have the seat all the way back on my auto, but i had to move forward more to push the clutch all the way in. then recline more so i'm not too close to the wheel.
03-20-2003, 07:14 AM
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kalamala, what does that have to do with me? my seats comfortable and i can reach the clutch fine..i think you meant the person who started this thread..and allmotor knows what i'm talking about. If you know where your syncro's line up its the easiest thing. And also when you're watching the video of the guys shifting hard...thats when they're getting on the car not just normally driving. How long have you been driving stick anyway?
03-20-2003, 09:34 AM
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Where is my super sauce?
As others have said, you can shift a manual car without the clutch.
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. This isn't something we should recommend for the inexperienced.
A lot of folks post here that are first-time users of a manual transmission. I would not recommend this technique for the new user.
I'm turning 180 and being an advocate for the newbie, for once.
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. This isn't something we should recommend for the inexperienced.
A lot of folks post here that are first-time users of a manual transmission. I would not recommend this technique for the new user.
I'm turning 180 and being an advocate for the newbie, for once.
03-20-2003, 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by DDT-TypeS
thanks guys, but I'm not being a pussy and i'm not riding down the clutch all the time...
You know I have watched numerous jap videos where they show 2 cameras..one on the bottom (clutch, brake, accel. pedal) and the other on the driver. You can see that when the driver (driving the RSX-S, NSX, and WRX), they depress the clutch down for less than one second, jam on the shift lever to shift, and then release the clutch while slamming down on the accelerator!
When i saw this, I attempted to try it..but I find that the freakin' car jerks badly. I have to basically depress the clutch all the way down and then I shift into gear then slowly release the clutch back up (about only 1.x inches is required) before I apply some gas so that i can get a SMOOTH shift. It works great that way..but anytime I let the clutch go (per se the ONE SECOND gear shifting method), the car won't shift and drive smoothly.
That is why I am fatiguing because when i shift, I have to stretch my freakin' short left leg to press the clutch all the way down, shift into a gear (and it being notchy sometimes makes it harder to shift into a gear), and then slowly release (while my left leg is stretchin' in order to release the clutch out smoothly). I'm just wondering if you guys have a better technique cause this noob is lame!
Also, I know about the throw out bearing wearing if I sit on the clutch all day long...but I usually don't..just pop into neutral when idling. But I must also shift from second into first when I'm at a stop...cause it's hard to shift into first without some force...
Thanks!
thanks guys, but I'm not being a pussy and i'm not riding down the clutch all the time...
You know I have watched numerous jap videos where they show 2 cameras..one on the bottom (clutch, brake, accel. pedal) and the other on the driver. You can see that when the driver (driving the RSX-S, NSX, and WRX), they depress the clutch down for less than one second, jam on the shift lever to shift, and then release the clutch while slamming down on the accelerator!
When i saw this, I attempted to try it..but I find that the freakin' car jerks badly. I have to basically depress the clutch all the way down and then I shift into gear then slowly release the clutch back up (about only 1.x inches is required) before I apply some gas so that i can get a SMOOTH shift. It works great that way..but anytime I let the clutch go (per se the ONE SECOND gear shifting method), the car won't shift and drive smoothly.
That is why I am fatiguing because when i shift, I have to stretch my freakin' short left leg to press the clutch all the way down, shift into a gear (and it being notchy sometimes makes it harder to shift into a gear), and then slowly release (while my left leg is stretchin' in order to release the clutch out smoothly). I'm just wondering if you guys have a better technique cause this noob is lame!
Also, I know about the throw out bearing wearing if I sit on the clutch all day long...but I usually don't..just pop into neutral when idling. But I must also shift from second into first when I'm at a stop...cause it's hard to shift into first without some force...
Thanks!
03-20-2003, 10:41 AM
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As others have said, you can shift a manual car without the clutch.
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. This isn't something we should recommend for the inexperienced.
A lot of folks post here that are first-time users of a manual transmission. I would not recommend this technique for the new user.
I'm turning 180 and being an advocate for the newbie, for once.
As others have said, you can shift a manual car without the clutch.
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. This isn't something we should recommend for the inexperienced.
A lot of folks post here that are first-time users of a manual transmission. I would not recommend this technique for the new user.
I'm turning 180 and being an advocate for the newbie, for once.
I can drive a stick, but I still can't do this right. I tried, I will not try again.
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