uu

guys,
i don't know someone already posted this, but I just came across an editorial on Road and Track:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/RoadAndT...pewar_pg1.html

this comparison gives opposite results from the one in Motor Trend last July... and CLS' 0-60 is slower than that of 330ci according to the editorial... hmmm...

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2001 Stock Black/Black CL Type S
since 11/29/00
1000 miles

uu

oops, sorry, the one in Motor Trend was between CLS and 323ci, my bad...

hmmm... so 330ci beat CLS then... fair

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2001 Stock Black/Black CL Type S
since 11/29/00
1000 miles

e1828

actually I think the July Motor Trend one was a CL-S vs. a 328ci. =)

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2001 Satin silver CL-S
* no navi, spoiler, mudguards
* wheel locks, full front mask
* fenderwell and door trim
* soon Comptech springs and sways
* 5% tint rear side, back

uu

true that, my bad again, doh, i am getting old...



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2001 Stock Black/Black CL Type S
since 11/29/00
1000 miles

WV250R

NO, the one in MT was CL-S versus BMW 328 not 323! But the one in MT, they both had auto trannies, the BMW with a stick will get a jump from 0-60, but might not fare as well with a moving start, ie 5-60 or 30 to 80, etc.

Bullet-TypeS

Yeah the mags tend to embelish a lot when it comes to BMW. I have a Dec 2000 Car and Driver (M3 on the cover) which posts a 330i Sedan at 0-60 of 6.1 sec. In that article you mentioned the coupe is stated at 0-60 of 6.2 sec. What gives? The sedan is about 200+ lbs heavier than the coupe and is faster off the line?!? C'mon!!

Those editors suck ass as far as i'm concered which is why i let this forum help me make the decision to buy rather than the articles written by the biased BMW lovin' masses.

A'men for down to earth, car loving, bang for the bucks kinda folks like you guys.

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Bullet-TypeS

Bullet-TypeS

Yeah the mags tend to embelish a lot when it comes to BMW. I have a Dec 2000 Car and Driver (M3 on the cover) which posts a 330i Sedan at 0-60 of 6.1 sec. In that article you mentioned the coupe is stated at 0-60 of 6.2 sec. What gives? The sedan is about 200+ lbs heavier than the coupe and is faster off the line?!? C'mon!!

Those editors suck ass as far as i'm concered which is why i let this forum help me make the decision to buy rather than the articles written by the biased BMW lovin' masses.

A'men for down to earth, car loving, bang for the bucks kinda folks like you guys.

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Bullet-TypeS

uu

the thing is that one of my coworkers does have a 330ci with automatic transmission... and we been ictchy to duke it out... i guess it must be a very close race, and he might have the edge even so to speak now.


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2001 Stock Black/Black CL Type S
since 11/29/00
1000 miles

tel1sps

Thats right.... and get a header and sways and beat the snot out of them (or at least know that you can).

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01 Silver 3.2CLs

Arthur Hunter

If it is an Automatic 330ci, you can humiliate him....hell, even the regular TL can keep up with the smaller and lighter 330ci if it is equipped with an apples-to-apples automatic like the CL/TL...

But handling...that is a different ball game altogether..the BMW will outhandle the Acuras anytime in dry weather

Actually cars like the 3.2TL should be compared in acceleration with the BMW 530 (even the 5-series BMW is classified by the EPA as a compact unlike the TL which is classified as a mid-size) not the much smaller BMW 330...



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3.2TL with NAV

NOVAwhiteTypeS

"For our test, we wanted the sportiest-possible variant of each car." they should of used an auto for the beemer if they wanted a fair comparison. Also they were going to use the sport package they should of called comptech and get the 'optional' headers/spings/sways and 235 Z tires.

"Honda knows how to build—but chose not to fit—a perfectly nice full-manual box."
What ever.

"So the lesson here is, if you’re an Acura Type S owner, don’t race for pink slips…or at least really polish your reaction times. But our road-course experience (and redemption?) was yet to come"
WTF is up this guys ass?

"and broad-spoked 17-in. alloy wheels that are handsome enough, but really lack the visual punch needed to set off bodywork that’s toned, not ripped."


"The Type S stormed to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds—quite respectable, although lagging a half-second behind the BMW. " 6.7 wtf wonder who was driving that Type S a 400lb mofo probably.

"uptown Honda narrows the gap: 15.0 sec. at 95.2 mph, versus the BMW’s 14.8 at 95.4 mph."
totally BS numbers. " :ROLLEYES:

"With the Type S’s relatively narrow P215/50R-17 all-season Michelins, extra weight and weaker brakes (the front rotors, at 11.8 in., are an inch smaller than the BMW’s), "


"we think its touch-screen display for the navigation system and climate-control functions detracts from the Type S being a true driver’s car. (It’s possible to order a “non-nav” Type S, packaged as a separate model, for a $2000 savings.) "

there just madd cuz bmw's don't have the touch screen. and navi that's half as good as the alpine/honda.

"Also, that moonroof does intrude somewhat into head room."
so what people who are tall shouldn't buy cars w/ moonroofs? come on pick one something better. Another case where there madd cause its a standard feature unlike the bmw.

"To say there wasn’t some initial bias in favor of the BMW would be a lie. "
Told you. bias's mofo's. :ROLLEYES:

"At least the Type S offers a lockable ski pass-through."
Is that all they see in the Type S??? A FOOKEN LOCKABLE SKI PASS-THROUGH WTFFFFFF!!!" :MAD: :MAD:


WTF is up there ass? pissed cuz acura has a better car than the bmw? this artilce is sooo bias and full of shit. 80% of the article is talking about the bmw. They failed to mention alot of safey and standard features like side airbag, Hid lights, passenger weight sensor for airbag, 6disc indash changer. DVD navi not cd like bmw. and so on and so on . Gosh This is the worst compar. I've ever read. I should of never red it.
:mad
hey shawn post a madd face for me will ya? one of those really big madd faces.

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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Cargo Net/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter. Comptech Springs. Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.

gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

[This message has been edited by NOVAwhiteTypeS (edited 01-29-2001).]

NOVAwhiteTypeS

Everyone go attack the road and track forum !!!!

http://forums.roadandtrack.com/cgi-b...+Talk&number=1

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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Cargo Net/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter. Comptech Springs. Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.

gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

cakennedy

I own both a 1999 3.2TL and a 2001 330ci, and I can honestly tell you that as both a BMW and Acura enthusiast, the TL has absolutely nothing on the BMW in terms of driving feel and driving excitement. The TL isn't a slow car, but it just simply isn't in the same league as my 330ci 5-speed.

Wyle E. Coyote

Well, it's just like with anything else in life .... numbers can always be doctored to achieve a necessary goal. Just ask the Marines about their beloved V-22 Osprey.

It wouldn't surprise me if BMW was paying some of these writers/testers to insure that the necessary goal is achieved.


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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/One scratched rim

Wyle E. Coyote

Hum.... I thought this article was comparing the BMW 330ci with the 2001 CL-S, not a base TL.




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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/One scratched rim

Type S

no no no no..they made another comparation to 330CI again..and our type s are down...shit..i can not believe..we win 328CI and 328 CI and 330 CI are almost the same and just gain a bit of HP but still weak then us..how come we are beat?? i can not remember which month issue is that..i was upset and mad when i read the comparation..damn

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cakennedy

I know, but I don't own a 2001 CL-S

PimpGold

I own a CL-S and am very happy with it, when I first read the article I initially also felt somewhat slighted, but when I considered that the BMW cost $10,000 MORE than my CL-S, for minimal performance gains and many less options, I looked at my bank account and breathed a happy sigh.

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Sundance Gold Type S, bone stock

scalbert

Damn you BMW for changing out the engines... Just over a year after the purchase. Oh well, at least it is a 5-speed:



But now my wife wants an X5, I wonder when and if the X5-M will be out...

[This message has been edited by scalbert (edited 01-30-2001).]

bc01cls

Everyone run out and buy a BMW 330i right NOW! Who cares???? Been there done that. (I see headers in my future.)

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http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...493&p=31386570

astro

How do you like the bimmer? The X5 is a VERY nice looking and performing SUV..if they ever made an "M" version that would be killer I was looking longingly at the X5 b4 I got my CL-S but I couldn't get any recognition from the salespeople at the BMW dealership so I left never to return



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Astroboy out...
2001 Acura CL Type S: Comptech: Headers, filter, sways, springs, koni shocks, goodridge braided brake lines, full kicker system
1996 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo: H&R Springs and sways, Bilstein shocks

scalbert

I do like it quite a bit. Excellent car, especially the handling dynamics. As mentioned before, I prefer it in the mountains.

However, mountains driving is < 1%. Living in metro Atlanta means that I will be in traffic most often and will be stuck at lights. So the having comfort, amenities and good straight line performance (especially now with the headers and intake) makes me grab the keys to the CL-S more often. Plus, it ain't shabby in the turns and brakes just as well.

IMO, 99% of the people in a 328 or 330 will not launch well enough to achieve decent times (except for me of course) and this is where the mags get good numbers. Just by looking at their published trap speeds shows that the CL-S does not move as well off the line but makes up speed later on.

As for the X5, I really don't want my wife to get an SUV (SAV according to BMW), many lemming jokes have been made. But if an M version came out and the need really came about for this type of vehicle the decision might be a bit easier.

Sundance Kid

Just finished reading the R&T article. Can't really complain, especially with the line in the final paragraph "...the Acura unquestionably offers more for the money...". I don't think R&T was lying about the numbers they arrived at for acceleration, lateral grip, etc. and the subjective opinions of the testers are just that: subjective. I drove a few used BMW's (new ones equipped the way I wanted didn't fit within my budget) and they certainly drove nicely, but no way was I going to lay out the same money for a 2 year old car that still didn't have as many features or as much performance as the CL!

It doesn't bother me at all that my car (a sundance gold Type S purchased last Friday!) finished a mere 3 points behind the Bimmer that retails for aproximately $12 large MORE here in Canada (similarly equipped). If cost was no object wouldn't we all be driving M5's, Ferrari's, Bentley Type R's and the like? Obviously cost is a factor in the vast majority of people's car purchasing decisions and as such the CL Type S, is simply unbeatable!

A very satisfied owner (still <G>)

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2001 Sundance Gold Type S

RaleighNC

My 2-cents!!

Where I'm at BMWs are like accords and camerys. Plain looking and there's too many of them.

When I drive down the road, people check out my car (and I am only stock).

Who cares about the stats!! It's not how you feel, IT'S HOW YOU LOOK!!

uu

my thinking:
our cls never claimes to be a sports car, but a luxury performance car, unlike BMW which is pretty much known for sportiness. And, I love it for its luxury, performance and value... hey we got power sliding seats!! I just think it is more appropriate to compare CLS with Saab 95 Aero, Volvo V70 T5, they are more closer, all front wheel drive, etc.

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2001 Stock Black/Black CL Type S
since 11/29/00
1000 miles

twill

When a reviewer admits initial bias toward one car in a comparison, you can pretty much forget about the results. To be honest, I know I couldn't be objective about the CL-S versus a BMW either, being a CL-S owner.

But then again, I'm not an automotive journalist who's job is writing "meaningful" comparison tests for Car and Driver.

The best question would be: What car would you buy with your own money? I bet the difference in price would speak a little louder in favor of the Acura. Unless journalists make more $ than I thought.

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2001 Satin Silver 3.2CL Type-S
Non-Nav, No Mods