i went for a ride in a cls 6 spd today . it didnt feel any quicker than my car which is a cls auto with intake .. maybe from a roll but it wasnt like oh my god this car. will kill mine . i love the car tho

 

o.k.

 

I don't know how much quicker it is, but to me, it's a lot more fun to row this engine.

 

who said it would? same car, same engine, different tranny, what else would you expect?

 

Technically the 6spd should be quicker because there is less hp lost in a manual then an auto, but the difference probably isn't that noticable from "seat of the pants" standpoint tho'...

 

it puts down 20 more hp to the wheels, stock for stock they are noticable quicker

 

And about 50# lighter, and minimally better front to back weight distribution, and different gearing.

But I agree, the so-called butt dyno shouldn't be that different.

 

Were you driving it? Or a passenger? I may agree that it's not a lot faster, but to me driving it seems faster than the automatic because you're more in control. That damn, 1st to 2nd gear shift on my old '01 CLS drove me nuts. .

 

I would have to disagree. I detailed a friends fathers CLS 6 this past weekend (while my CLS sat @ his house). Even in Stock form that fawker felt almost as fast as mine with mods (I/H/E). Dunno, maybe it was because you weren't driving, but I took the one I had out for a spin.

 

Just look at the 1/4 times...stock 6-spd is still faster than the auto w/ i/h/e. LSD might help a bit.

 

I have a hard time believe that.... technically, how can that be. pls explain

 

A bone stock 6 speed is not faster than a 5AT with I/H/E. Headers make it equal, the rest of the mods give the advantage to the auto.

 

thanks for confirming what I thought...

 

Just look at the times people with 5AT's post. Darrinb has run 14.2 & consistent 14.3's with I/H/E, MattG has ran 14.1, mrSteve has ran 14.1. No *bone* stock 6 speed has ever gone faster than 14.2, and only 1 (that I have heard of) has ran 14.2 stock. Most are in the 14.5's bone stock. I have some drag radials I am itching to test out, so maybe I can get close to a 14.2 bone stock (cept for tires of course).

 

i have both 03 CLS - 6m/t and auto. IMO, i can feel the difference, esp on the higher rpm....but like others said same engine etc. dun expect like you will experince driving a much faster car....anyway CLS is a fun car to drive.

 

Hey, I ran 14.1 *bone* stock and 13.9 with a drop-in K&N & Headers

 

 

No way.

The best a stock CL 6 will do is 14.5 maybe 14.4

I did 14.2 with the mods you mentioned.

 

The man, can drive the car

 

There are several people hitting 14.1's and 14.2's on stock 6spds...

 

 

I'm with you Chopper. The CL-S 6MT stock feels as fast as my 03 TL-S w/ I/H/E was. It's definitely more responsive and a lot more useable power down lower. The ratios in the 6MT are a lot closer and it seems to keep the motor in the sweet spot more. I just added my Headers to the CL-S 6MT this last weekend and now it's significantly faster and pulls harder.

 

this is bullshit That even with I/H, us auto people are even with a stock 6 speed. That really fuckin bites.

 

No different than a CL-P w/ I/H/E starts getting close to a stock CL-S unfortunately.

 

that's different though...the CL-S engine is beefed up comapred to the CL-P. The only difference in our equation is the fucking transmission

 

i've lined up against ya at the track, u can def tell the headers are given me a higher trap and pullin on ya, but if u had some better tires and headers i'd def get walked

 

Auto's are faster if the driver of the 6mt can't shift very well.

 

Agreed. Much more room for error with a 6MT. 5AT should yield more consistent times in general.

 

Well, we'll see what kinda traps I get now with some more miles on the car. Its ran 97mph and it only had like 3,500 miles, IIRC. You're gonna be pissed if I beat that 14.2 for only $150 (got 2 dr's & wheels for $150 shipped )

 

What DR's (brand) did you end up with?

-Jon

 

225/45/17 BFG G-force's

 

come on now, you watched me hit into the 14.4s... and i sucked ass at the strip... with a "stock" 6 spd and your tires I probably could have dropped a tenth



just fawkin with ya of course

 

That's why the auto gets better gas mileage, the tranny is more efficient, (but not as fun!).

 

The auto does not get better gas mileage, it just has a taller final drive ratio which makes it cruise at lower revs on the expressway.

 

i hit 12.9 the other day.














































in my dreams.....

 

 

y dont u go to the track smitty??

 

hour and half away and I do not feel like getting my car towed back... because I know will beat the living shit out of it....

honestly, tears the car up... I am not into that.

 

You dont have to launch it like a madman. Take it easy on the launch and then go WOT. Its no more harmful than WOT blasts on the street. I've driven 3 hours to go the the track, beat the living shit out of my car, and drive home right afterwards. If my 10 year old Ford can do it, your new Japanese car should have no problems.

 

OK im sure its been discussed before .. but I really want that damn 6 speed in my car. I know it would be the tranny, ecu's, instrument cluster, and of course consol

Any idea ? Let me know .. just throwing around ideas