Crazy Bimmer

Ok i want a CL real bad, and now that my lease is ending in april, I need to decide on what car I want. My dad and I always had acuras, and hondas, but I drove my brothers 2000 maxima and I fell in love. I test drove the CL-S and i cant tell which one is faster... can someone let me know?

SoundSpeed

Maximas with 5sp and 225 hp are just barely faster than TL with sportshift and 225hp. So I would say that the CLS with 260 hp and sportshift is faster.

There is of course the 25th anniversary edition of Maxima with 227hp and 5sp, but that probably won't make much difference.

CLS is definitely faster than Maxima.

Get a CLS.

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BeatYaAll

a stock CL-S is faster than the a stock Maxima till 4th gear .. after that believe me the Max will our run the CL-S .. i have a friend who has a Max SE and he hits 140mph with out slowing down not like the cl-s at 100 when u shift to 4th gear... Cl-s has a big problem in the 4th gear.... so cl-s is faster from 0 to 100 after that i guess the Maxima will pass by the cl-s even though the cl-s has 260hp.

so its ur choice..

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EricL

Funny, my old 92 Maxima SE AUTOMATIC would kill everything on the freeway. It was a pathetic dog getting to 60mph. But I was kicking the rear of BMWs at speed. I had that thing going really fast (I'm not saying).

The CL-S would kill my old car on the street, but I'm not too sure about the run from 100-140...


I don't know if you want a stick, but I looked at the 2000 Maxima and just hate the back of the car -- yuck (My wife said she would divorce me if I bought that thing).

I looked at the 2000 Maxima *and* I loathed the dealer services (for my '92).

They screwed with the cars (my wifes and mine) at every chance.

I would *never* buy a 2000 Maxima over a 2001 TL/CL-S (just my opinion)!


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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ Navi.
Mud Guards.
Wheel locks
Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W*
T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1

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SoundSpeed

Don't know how the CLS would do past 100mph against Maxima 5sp, but up to 100 it is a pretty sure bet the CLS would win.

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minla007

my friend has a 2000 maxima SE and i raced him w/my cl-s. we were close, but i beat him by 2 car lengths.

EricL

I sure hope your it was a 5-speed!



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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ Navi.
Mud Guards.
Wheel locks
Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W*
T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1

bc01cls

I sure hope my CL-S could beat a Maxima since I'd hate to have to look at that ugly a**!! Seriously, the drivetrain on them is great, but the body...arrgggggggggh.

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CLS16

Yup, I would have to agree with the rest of the guys. I had a 2000 Maxima SE auto, and it did have a little kick off the line, you would always burn some rubber, but the CLS is definitely faster off the line! But they are right, the Maxima is awesome on the highway, you would think that you were driving a 540i V8 the way it hit 130mph with no problem. My 95 Max was the same way. So either way, you'll be buying a great car! Good Luck!

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01 white/ebony CL-S
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tel1sps

I don't know how fast you drive but it's probably safe to say that you will be spending a majority of your time below 100mph. If you need more top end add headers.

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JZ

I have raced a number of Maxima's and have always pulled away steadily from the second we started running. Plus, I had one encounter where one of the Maxima's came up from behind me fast, I floored it, and he was just a little bit behind me. Then I hit 4th and he still could not pull on me. We then slowed down quickly and at the next light we ran from a stop. His was definately a manual. I think he was quite shocked when he quickly started falling behind and was just watching as my tach crept to 7200rpm on each shift and I pulled away smoothly. The guy really seemed to know how to drive a stick too. He had an excellent start. Not to say that they are slow at all--they are very fast cars and will kill most cars on the road--they would eat an IS300 for breakfast! And, I would bet money that a manual Maxima would kill a stock TL or CL.

Anyways, get the CL.

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NOVAwhiteTypeS

and don't forget the HEADERS/SWAYS hehe. :P



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Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.

gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

Kevin

I think the Maxima is faster than the CL if it is a 5-sp. A lot of the CL owners here are downplaying the Maxima's capabilites, but it is an awesome car. Make sure you talk an objective person when you ask the question, If you ask anyone on thise message board they will tell you the CL is faster, what else can you expect? I know for a fact that a 95-99 Maxima will kill a TL. I've raced my friend many times and I am able to burn him off the line and stay ahead.

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2001 CL Type S
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Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
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typeR

its reALLY SIMPLE..max 5 speed 6.9 cl-s 6.57 cl wins

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Kevin

Actually I think you're wrong, I read somewhere the the CL-s is 6.7 and the Maxima is 6.6. I've never seen a 6.57 for the CL-S. I know for a fact that max 5 speed does 1/4 14.9

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2001 CL Type S
San Marino Red/Parchment
Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet

typeR

no 6.57 from independant before it's release...and really meany totally stock cl-s have reported much lower i think 6.2 but i was sticking with manufacture posted numbers

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20% smoke titanium

Bullet-TypeS

Gentlemen,
Let's not quibble over 0.3 to 0.5 seconds of time. Basically as everybody on the forum knows it's how good of start you get off the line and how well you can drive (SS or manual). Magazines all have different 0-60 times for the same cars. I've read times for Maxima's at 0-60 in 6.7sec some say 6.85sec. And even for the TypeS i've seen 6.57sec to 6.7 sec. It's all relative though. How much gas is in the car, how many passengers, how much you ate that day...see my point. Basically if you're gonna by a car for speed only then pick one built for speed only. If you want creature comforts then you know. Otherwise pick one that does them both equally well. In my opinion I'd say Maxima's are really nice cars, but the CL-S blows them away in too many areas to compete.

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fredjones_RENAMED

How often does anyone really go over 100. Seems to me that cops like to take the drivers licenses of people that go over 100.
The over 100mph battle to me is really inconsequential. CL-S rules.

Kevin

You're right, I think they are both aweseom cars. I would have gone, but I really wanted a coupe. I don't necesarily think the CL "blows away" the maxima in many areas what you get for the price. As a matter of fact I think Acura is one of the best brands of Automobile for the money out of all the luxury car companies.
I definately think the MAxima SE suspension is mich tighter and better then the cl-s suspension, with a LOT less body roll.


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2001 CL Type S
San Marino Red/Parchment
Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet

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CLS16

As you all know I am CLs owner, but I have to say that my 2000 Maxima's interior was absolutely gorgeous. I thought that the interior of Maxima is definitely nicer and more comfortable than the CLs interior. To me, the CL-s interior is kinda bland. Performance wise, I agree the CLs edges out the Max, but there are somethings in the Max that I wish were in the Cls. Like, one-touch sunroof, a sunroof that opens all the way, auto up and down for the driver window, auto headlamps(depending on night and day), 200 watt Bose system with a subwoofer, and the more luxurious cabin.
What I do like about the CLs is the auto stick, VSA, in dash 6 disc CD changer, and the power of the car.
So, as you can see each car has it's pluses, so it totally depends on the individual.

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Type S

i belive the type s cl is fater than maxima..we have 260 hp and the 5 speed sport shift....we have the same comfortable interior and tech too..so i will go type s cl if i were u...now i have never regret of buying my cl type s...good car..enjoy

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e1828

The 6.57 sec time was quoted in www.acura.com
and there are times for the CL-S ranging from
6.4-6.8 sec for 0-60. (Motor Trend, Road & Track, and Car & Driver). Again with a 5 speed manual it all depends on the driver.

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* no navi, spoiler, mudguards
* wheel locks, full front mask
* fenderwell and door trim
* soon Comptech springs and sways
* 5% tint rear side, back

Crazy Bimmer

WOW. thanks guys, i didnt think i would get this much response. I know the rear end of the maxima is ugly..but i would like a four door car. HMM how about a TL-S? About the over 100mph thing.. I cant go over that because of my record anyways. I dont do much racing, but i need to know that i can beat most cars on the road if i need to.

SilverCL225hp

Wait two more months for the TL-Type S.

EricL

I think we drove different cars. I'll take the double wishbones in the front with the CLS. Plus, my old '92 SE had torque steer with only 190 hp on the front. I drive the same stretches of Mulholland that I did with the Maxima, but the car is much more stable. The Maxima would "walk-out" a bit *and* I could get it to drift, but I can go faster in the CL-S without having to get out-of-shape.

I was just at the LA convention and jump in a new 2000 Maxima. My head is cocked sideways -- sorry, I can't fit. If your tall, watch out...



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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ Navi.
Mud Guards.
Wheel locks
Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W*
T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1

moomaster_99

Let's put it this way...the Maxima will make its attempt to catch up after you shift into 4th gear....You figure that if it has a stick with a good driver, it can nullify off the line as 0-60 times are probably about the same, but there 3rd gear is where it'll make the Maxima play catch up...and if you can hold off the Maxima until about 117...your VTEC kicks back in...I took it up to 130 and chickened out after that...I still had about 1000rpms left in 4th too, i think...The Maxima loves freeway speeds because of the DOHC...better breathing... this is true of all DOHCs v. SOHCs....a Camry 4-CAM keeps pulling forever...I used to have a POS Corolla w/1.6L 3 speed but even Civic EXs never pulled away hard...the SOHC just doesn't breath as well

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Dave

You are smart to get the objective opinion of vehicle owners before you purchase a new car. I had a beautiful silver 2000 Maxima se, 5 speed, with the 17" wheel package. If you visit the maxima forum on the edmunds page, you will find a mixed review. There are many complaints about a surging or bucking feeling when you let off the gas at certain rpm's with the 5 speed. It is more of an annoyance than anything else - so test drive carefully! Anyway, go to the web site and continue your research.

As far as which car is the better performer, it is hands down the Acura cl-s. Even with the automatic, the Acura is quicker and just as important, is far superior in the handling department. After all, you are comparing a sedan to a coupe! If you need four doors get the se 5 speed, Bose and 17" wheels - you won't be disappointed. But I would highly recommend the Acura cl-s - it gets a lot more favorable comments and respect on the street (especially from members of the opposite sex).

Good luck!

EricL

Oh, Oh, here comes that DOHC vs SOHC. Yes, you are right (most of the time). With the DOHC you can vary the timing on each cam (if that is what you want) *and* you do have better gas flow. However, the SOHC bimmers used rocker arms to drive off a single cam and if they had used titanium rockers they could have made them very wide -- wide enough to allow for the same gas flow geometry that a DOHC has. Don't always count out SOHC vs DOHC (it just aint so).
Remember the Indy series where Mercedes created push rod engines to get around the rules... (There are no absolutes)
(Just my opinion)

BTW -- My Maxima 4 valve SE used to get waxed by the 2 valve GXE at the intersection. It was an auto. No vtech, no torque down low. Ooops -- I was always having to pull on the steering wheel like a kid, waiting to catch up to the GXE once I got enough revs. I'll take a SOHC with vtech vs DOHC without anytime. (Lets keep the electronic controlled valves out of this)

(Ooops, like my car too much)


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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ Navi.
Mud Guards.
Wheel locks
Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W*
T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1


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Kevin

I have to disagree with you. You must have driven a GLE or a GXE, the maxima SE suspension is way better than the CL-S. The CL-S handling it just too boat like, it has way too much roll, Keep in mind, I'm used to a very tight ride in all the cars I've owned. I think the CL-s is geared for a luxury oriented crowd more than a young sporty crowd. I wish they had some type of Type-R package with some tighter springs and Shocks. I would lower it but people say it feels just like stock except lower. If I'm lowering it would be for the perferomance, not the look.




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2001 CL Type S
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Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet

JZ

Anyways, if you read my earlier post I have killed many a Maxima. I absolutely murdered an automatic from a light, I pulled well on on a 5 spd from a stop and from a rolling start before I got my headers and the results of my race between the 5spd and me with the headers was about the same murder as when I raced the automatic--and I could tell this guy had his 5spd moving. And, prior to this race this same guy could not pull on me in 4th gear. Flame all you want, he was right on my back bumper and could not catch up to me even when I was in 4th. Had we gone deeper into 4th, I cannot say b/c we didn't make it that far, but at least for the 1st part of 4th gear he could not gain any ground on me.


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cashmoneykris69

hey i had a 00 MAX SE with stillen intake
stillen strut bar stillen exhaust and 18" Giovanna Corsica's. eibach pro kit dropped it 2 inches and a awesome 4 12" JLw3 system
with neons and plexi in the trunk
I really loved my Green MAX i miss it very much and it had 4 DOORS which is a plus
my max beat alot of cars
u should drive them and make sure max has more room and 4 doors so drive em and see i like them both

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just bought

EricL

Well, I sure know what car I drove -- I had it for almost 9 years. Yep, it was an SE.
(I drove my sister's GXE and also rented them for test purposes -- good way to check out cars.)

I put 215VR60 RE-71s on it, and it really helped. I could definitely push around the turns. I'm just telling you that (in my opinion) that I would have killed the other me in the 92 SE. I've been down the same turns, looked at speedo, and it was hopeless. You may have been luckier with the manual, I had the auto -- I had no juice, and couldn't get around garbage trucks going down Mulholland (I'm not kidding. My wife would have to put up with my, "If this thing only had another 30 hp and a 5sp auto." One of the reasons I didn't buy the Maxima 2000 was the but-ugly rear, lack of 5sp automatic, solid rear axle, and lack of head room.

So, the car is stiffer, if the Acura rolls more, but is faster without sliding, what which would you prefer.

Next time the police are watching, as your tires are squealing around a turn think about it. Hmmm... Quiet with sway, or no sway and all over the road.

Your entitled to your opinion. I took my SE to the limit *and* I decided to move on to the CL-S (with better tires)!

BTW -- I would like to add 1" lowering springs, sway bars, and headers. The Maxima had better balance, but I really have a lot more grip and better control with my Acura. The Toyos made a profound difference -- I was not happy with the OEM tires handling on Sunset.


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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ Navi.
Mud Guards.
Wheel locks
Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W*
T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1

2000MaximaSE

Wow, you guys talk about maximas alot for a cl-s board... Ok here are my opinions on both cars.

Styling:
I love the styling of both cars in different ways. I think the maxima is more elegant and the acura is more sporty. I love the rear on both cars btw..

Acceleration:
Great for both but acura will win auto vs auto. 5 speed vs auto will be very close. We have a guy on our board with only y pipe and intake who ran a 14.3X now thats pretty damn fast....

Handling: I dunno, i only drove the cl-s once in a test drive. No complaints on either side.

Interior:
The maxima is HUGE and clean inside. It has a gorgeous clean well layed out interior. The cl-s was really small when i drove it and i could never get the seat to feel right in proportion to the steering wheel..

So it comes down to a few things. Which one you think looks better, If you want a 5 speed the max is your only choice and you would not be disapointed by it at all. if you want auto i would go with cl.
I went with maxima because i got it for only 25 k basicly loaded without leather which is 6k cheaper than the acura i was looking at...

Adam


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URIRx98

WEll i personally havge owned 2 maximas, a 89 gxe with everything in it, and a 98 SE. i loved both of these cars and my parents actually still have both of them. my mom has my 98 and my dad drives has the 89. the only reason why i dont have the 98 is cause i smashed it in jan or\f last year and had to bring it back to NY. I was able to get another car, and i could have bought a 2000 maxima but i didnt want to have a 3rd one in a row. I bought my cl-s not to soon after and i have loved it ever since.
WG

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Kevin

Eric, I wasn't talking about a 92 maxima I'm talking about a 200 maxima. I'm sure the CL-S is way better handling than a 92 maxima SE, A car which is 9 years old. Anyway I'm not tryin to flame, I think thet maxima is just as good and in some cases better then the CL-S that's all.



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2001 CL Type S
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Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet

Kevin

I wasn't really flaming. I was merely stating the the Maxima SE stock suspension is way better then a CL-S stock suspension. I doubt that it's faster off the line then a 5-sp but I have to see for myself. Don't get me wrong I'm a CL-S owner, but I can admit when my car falls short to others in certain categories. That's all.

Kevin




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2001 CL Type S
San Marino Red/Parchment
Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet

GoldTypeS_RENAMED

They do have a Type-R package... it's called Koni shocks, Comptech springs and Comptech sway bars

I don't know where you got the impression that the Comptech springs only help the look. I've heard the opposite on here from people. They say the handling improved quite a bit.

I got the springs and sways at the same time and the car is soooooo different now in the handling department. I'd really recommend them. I go to work very early (6am) and am always the first one there. I now have this bad habit of turning into my parking lot at 35mph. hee hee. I giggle every morning doing it. I still have the crappy stock tires and this thing grips like a mofo now. Body roll is gone... completely. I can't wait to get some decent tires!

Arthur Hunter

The Maxima employs McPherson Struts on the front suspension and a non-independent multi-link suspension in the back. The Struts are a lot cheaper and inferior suspension but consume less space. Suspension designers consider the Double wishbones (like in all Hondas and Acuras) to be an ideal suspension for handling (due to the perfect camber control it offers) due to which, you will find the double wishbones present in Ferraris, Lamborghinis, all F1 race cars, all CART race cars etc. The disadvantages of double-wishbones are that they are relatively more space consuming and are a lot more expensive for the manufacturers. You will find quite a few European manufacturers employing struts in the front to save space since space is at a premium in Europe unlike the US.....

The suspension in the Acura CL-s is near perfect but has not been tuned at all like the "R" versions of Honda (Acura)....

Why do you think tuners target the Honda Civic while steering clear of the Toyota Corolla for tuning purposes ? Both are sized similarly I would suppose !!! Because all the Honda Civics employ double-wishbones on the front and the back while Corollas make do with Macpherson struts.....incidentally, Honda has shifted to MacPherson struts in the front of the new 2001 Civic for saving costs and also to accomodate a larger engine in the same space as the 2000 model....it does not really matter since the common Joe who buys these cars would not know the difference between double-wishbones and MacPherson struts....

If you notice, you will find that all Lexus models including the LS430, GS430, GS300, SC430, IS300 etc employ double wishbones in the front and multi-link double wishbones in the back (like the Acura TL/CL/CL-s) while the boaty ES300 employs the Strut suspension in the front and the back.....know the reason why ? the struts are cheaper

Most drivers on the road would not be able to find the deficiencies of the front/rear suspensions in a Maxima...since they are not Mario Andrettis....but to claim that the Maxima suspension is better than the suspension in the Acura is being faceticious or just ignorant, to say the least....but got to admit, that the SE suspension (inspite of all its deficiencies) has been tuned to the utmost by Nissan...so that the common fellow on the street would assume that it handles superbly (since the people who buy these cars are not people who would drive beyond say 6/10ths of a car's capabilities)....just my 2c




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Kevin

I'd like to meet up with any NJ folks that have the comptech full suspension installed. I think I'd really consider it for my car after I see what it's like and how the ride is. If you're saying that after comptech stuff you have no bodoy roll, then I'm in and I will get it, but I got to see it. I agree with the double wishbone thing but I still feel that the CL_S suspension has not live up to it's expectations.

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2001 CL Type S
San Marino Red/Parchment
Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet

AcuraFanatic

The Maxima is a nice alternative to the 3.2TL, but it really doesn't compete with the CL-S (not to say you cannot easily conceive buying either or). The lowest time I've seen a TL run 0-60mph is 6.7 seconds, and I've seen the Maxima SE with 5-speed run 6.7 seconds too. The CL-S has the 6.4 second time that many people use, so they're all relatively close. If you get an automatic on the Maxima, you'll lose to either of them. Even with the manual transmission Maxima, a lot of it is technique, so I'd definatley favor either of the two Acuras as far as performance goes, but the Maxima is far from a slouch or a bad car.

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