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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:14 PM
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Acura needs to be the Innovator again

No Acura premium coupe, is a temporary thing. I think the new competiton is the best thing that could have happened for new Acura coupe buyers and there is an advantage to having the last coupe out after the competition. They've got to be dying over all the attention for the new Nissan/Infiniti coupes and others.

If they can get good sales out of this TSX and the revamped TL, then a new coupe is not far behind. Coupe offerings have always relied on the sedan sales. I hope they learned a lot from the successes (and failures) of the CL, but they didn't seem to learn much from the greater sales success of the Legend coupe before it. It's a tough market but I have hope Acura can hit the sweet spot with their next coupe. Hopefully they will be the innovator again and also bring back some style! Acura is till my favorite brand and I think they will come out with a new ground-breaking coupe sooner than later.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:32 PM
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he said no new models not ruling out a tl coupe
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:32 PM
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Again, i dont know whether to be happy or sad by this....first of all i do believe this information, but to make me 100% im going to hold off till i here it from an auto mag or something like that...secondly, i am happy that my car is going to be a very rare car, only one of 2700, so thats pritty cool, but it does suck in general that there stoping production. I do have to say though that they will be back in the coupe market, and id say maby even before 06 or 07 like people are saying, once the new TL is out and after maby a year and a half, id say there is a shot at a CL on the TL's (accords) platform, but we willl just have to wait and see.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:39 PM
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i'd like to add...i thought the global platform meant that it didnt really matter if the coupe did bad, it's 90% of what goes on a T,L and so if you sell 10K sedans and 1K coupes, you still sold a thousand more units? i think im not mistake when i say a coupe buyer is going to buy a coupe so if you dont offer one they'll just buy from someone that does,and there you risk never getting them back...
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:40 PM
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Ummm wouldn't this be exactly the same as the hieadas(sp?) between the 1st and 2nd gen CL?
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:42 PM
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i bet comptech is a little more than annoyed they built a supercharger for a 2700 car production run...
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:45 PM
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ZeroDay....good point ! Seems there are more 5 speed Slush boxes out and more of a market !

RL's loaded WITH Navi, I've never seen at 37K in California ! Perhaps back East they may, but not here Yet anyway......
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by bl^5
Ummm wouldn't this be exactly the same as the hieadas(sp?) between the 1st and 2nd gen CL?
no the first gen cl ended in 99 and the second came out in march of 2000 as an 01...i guess if a new model came out in early 04 as an 05 then yes
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by couped up
I don't see how anyone can compare the accord 6 sp to the cl-s in the same breath. All of the reviews I read of the accord said it had "edgy" handling, scrubbed the tires, etc etc. Sure it is fast in a straight line, but it looked like there were a BUNCH of mods to be made for it to handle as well as the CL-S out of the box.

but what do I know.
the accord 6 speed, in that motortrend test, your reffering to was fitted with those same skinny michellins that the cls comes with! all you need is a tire upgrade! however, it does lack the HLSD that the CLS6 has
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by zeroday
i bet comptech is a little more than annoyed they built a supercharger for a 2700 car production run...
The Comptech SC for the 5AT is coming in March. Every 2001-2002-2003 Type S CL and TL can take advantage, that's probably close to 100 K.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 01:02 AM
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at one time a 4dr never had the performance of a 2dr. not any more
True, 10yrs ago anything "sporty" that had some real performance was a 2 door,
now there's all kinds of sedans that haul ass & handle well
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 01:04 AM
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shit thats messed up news.

whats this forum gonna be talkin about in 2 or 3 years?
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 06:52 AM
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If this is true, I hope we continue to get some kind of aftermarket support since the TL may change. I still dont regret getting my cls. Wish I spent the extra and got the navi on mine.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 07:11 AM
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If this is true, I hope we continue to get some kind of aftermarket support since the TL may change. I still dont regret getting my cls. Wish I spent the extra and got the navi on mine.
my only regret!!


this is normal...they car no longer stands out in the crowd so sales have plummeted. The CL was doomed from the start. Acura did not go that "extra mile" like the Infiniti did with the G35. What it did have was a great price. I could care less whether they continue production or not. That is not why i bought my car. I bought it because it suits my needs. And it still does. I am real happy with it. I was going to trade it in for a six speed as well but i figured i will wait for a few years when i have a good amount of cash and see what is out then. Enjoy what you have...it might not be their tomarrow!!!

As far as aftermarket stuff is concerned...besides body stuff...our car is the exact same as the TL so as long as their is stuff for those their is stuff for ours.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Beltfed
Are you kidding, of course it is......the car has everything the CL has (except Xenon's).

Matter of fact, I think the Accord coupe 6spd with the optional rear spoiler, Aero kit, and fog lights will be quite a hot car.

Throw on some nice bigger wheels/tires, drop it a bit and you're set.
Funny I just parked next to a brand new one last night and when the owner came out he was staring at my car and Im staring at the accord cause it had the optional 17'. Yes it does look very nice and the interior is even nicer. I would still take my car tho cause when i asked him if he got the 6 speed he said no but its fast enough. You don't know how bad I had to restrain myself from saying o yea lets see what she can do and race him but I passed and congratulated him on his purchase. very nice blue with the polished 17' optional honda rims look classy and hip.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 08:21 AM
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You don't know how bad I had to restrain myself from saying o yea lets see what she can do and race him but I passed and congratulated him on his purchase.
man u just wanna race EVERYBODY, don't ya???
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
shit thats messed up news.

whats this forum gonna be talkin about in 2 or 3 years?
I'm not going anywhere... I would think as people move on to other cars, some will leave, but this forum KICKS ASS!

Personally, I think people would be crazy to leave.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 08:23 AM
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I feel so SPECIAL.
I’ve got an OOP (out of print) CLASSIC AUTOMOBILE.
One of only 2,700 6-Speeds built.

I’m ordering my classic plates tomorrow.

Shawn S
You'd better order parts too! Once production is stopped, parts are made for 10 years only. Also prices will rise on those parts as they become scarce.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by Pappy
You'd better order parts too! Once production is stopped, parts are made for 10 years only. Also prices will rise on those parts as they become scarce.
I wouldn't worry about that. We share all the same parts with the TLs and they're not going anywhere.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 08:42 AM
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Something else to consider:

There could be a yet unannounced name change coming. It seems likely that the '03 will be the last CL for a while at least. If Acura intends to stay in this market, and I hope they do, their past sales may indicate that some rethinking must go into their new luxury coupe. They also need to do some serious marketing to figure out exactly what their target market is and shoot for that.

Sportier is fine, but one of the reasons I bought a CL was for some of the luxury appointments. I had an RSX (not Type-S) as a loaner during my recent service, and I pretty much did not like it much. Yeah, it's sporty, but it also felt cheap.

The CL/TL is arguably the best all-around car you can get for the price range. I am also so glad I waited for the 6-speed, and perhaps that is part of the key to the longevity of Acura's luxury coupes. Too bad they made so few of them.... But then, for those of us who got them... WOOHOOO! Still, they were shown to be popular and probably sold, percentage wise, better than the 5AT CL. Perhaps they should have made more with the 6 speed like they had originally planned.

I think the problem with the CL is that Acura misread their target market. They put power under the hood and all sorts of standard goodies, but then went (initially) with the AT, thinking their market was a bit older and not wanting to fool with the MT. They need to think a bit younger, a bit sportier (but not ricey-er) and do serious combat with the G35 coupe.

IMHO, Honda/Acura has far better cars than Toyota/Lexus or Nissan/Infinity, interms of technology, features and feel. Better engines, better NAVI, etc. But, they need to work on PACKAGING. Lexus and Infinity put sexy wrappers around mediocre vehicles and they sell.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 08:48 AM
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See..everybody got all pissy with me when I said the CL was DONE last month...(I told you so) Had to say it
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Pappy
You'd better order parts too! Once production is stopped, parts are made for 10 years only. Also prices will rise on those parts as they become scarce.
Oh no! They better make extra headlight housings for the NY/NJ market.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 09:50 AM
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This is bad news but I am not goign to jump ship and try and sell off my CL because I am worried that resale will go down. Most parts won't be scarce because a LOT of the parts are the same in the TL. I love my car and plan to keep it for several years to come. My last car was a Prelude and they killed that off too. Sorry guys, it must be me.

Aftermarket support might go down a little so if anything maybe we should mod away now!
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Zoot
If Water-S' information about the end of production is true, then I think he is only half correct. I GUARANTEE everyone here that the CL will be replaced. The coupe market is bad only in certain sectors. The next CL or its replacement will know its market....more sport than luxury....just wait....the coupe market is just too hot to leave...
I think you're right. I see a couple scenarios.
1) I heard a rumor that Honda might bring back the Prelude somewhere around '05. I'm assuming it's because they want to cash in on the "return to your sporty roots" wave the 350Z is involved in. I could see a Prelude coming out then a model year later a new Acura coupe based on the Prelude platform.

or

2) And this one's shooting from the hip here...They don't replace the TL's cousin (the CL). Instead, they revamp the RL to make it a market contender and release a high performance premium luxury coupe (al a Legend and Legend coupe.) I mean, if you look back at Acura's early days...the Legend had the coupe and was replaced by the RL. Yet the Vigor didn't have a coupe and was replaced by the TL (and CL). It makes sense that Acura goes back to the lineup model that put them on the map.

Well, that's my two cents...
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 10:04 AM
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I was planning on buying the car this weekend (I was waiting for my refund from the IRS) but I will just buy it today (the weather is supposed to suck this entire weekend here on the Island) even if it is going away since I don't plan on selling it for 7 to 10 years anyway so resell value isn't high on my list of worries.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:06 PM
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This is no surprise to me. Acura dropped the ball with the CL from day one. No bodykit, bullshit 4th gear on auto, no manual tranny, stupid commericals, no aftermarket embrace and shitty michellin tires. If they wanted to build a true class leader they should have atleast made a bodykit and a manual tranny available from the jump. They have no one to blame but themselves.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
This is no surprise to me. Acura dropped the ball with the CL from day one. No bodykit, bullshit 4th gear on auto, no manual tranny, stupid commericals, no aftermarket embrace and shitty michellin tires.
Do you REALLY think those are the reasons why the CL is gonna get axed? Because of bad tires and no body kit...??? Come on!
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:49 PM
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Do you REALLY think those are the reasons why the CL is gonna get axed? Because of bad tires and no body kit...??? Come on!
Well maybe not the tires. However I really do think the lack of a bodykit and manual tranny at first hurt sells. We have all seen the beauty of the SEMA CL bodykit, and I think it would have done wonders for CL sales...IMO.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:58 PM
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I think the TL Type-S sealed the CLs fate........lot of people think the TL-S is arguably better looking than the CL.

It has the same features, same price point, same power. But it has 4 doors, big advantage for practicality purposes.

Seriously, nobody ever really gave a shit about the CL (lets be honest)- we have lots of members here, but that's 1st and 2nd gen and god knows what else . Go to other big general car forums, the CL is not really a big talked about car.

When the CL came out in 2001, it had a little buzz...then faded.

When I was at the NY Autoshow last year, with the 6spd there. The cars were sitting there dormant, not a person looking at them (car show was mobbed). There were so many other neat cars being shown, that the CL honestly looked boring.

I'm not trying to be an ass, just as I see it.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by blackmagiCL_S
This is bad news but I am not goign to jump ship and try and sell off my CL because I am worried that resale will go down. Most parts won't be scarce because a LOT of the parts are the same in the TL. I love my car and plan to keep it for several years to come. My last car was a Prelude and they killed that off too. Sorry guys, it must be me.
Nah. The same thing happened to me ('97 Prelude SH), so it's probably just contagious.

Honda and other car manufacturers have a history of killing a line then bringing it back down the road. Civic Si, Ford Thunderbird, Datsun/Nissan Z, Chrysler 300 series, BMW 6-series etc.

This is nothing new, and it is not cause for alarm. So the CL goes bye-bye for a year or two. Big deal. Acura needs to wake up and figure out where they mismarketed the CL. A high end RL-based coupe would be something interesting (as long as they make it look prettier, that is. RL=plain), as would a replacement in the same class as the current CL. They just need to plan it right and market it right.

And for the record, I don't think that bodykits would really help. I may be wrong here, but the people on this board likely represent a minority of CL owners. I would guess that most of the people who bought a CL could care less about body kits and aftermarket doo-dads. Seriously, you get a lot of car for your money in the CL/TL line. The idea that someone would pass up a nicer/better car because some lesser car had a bodykit seems laughable to me.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 02:51 PM
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im sure acura will bring back the CL sooner or later, maybe it will be called the TL coupe.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 03:19 PM
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You know, I would enjoy a premium luxury coupe based off what would hopefully be a far more aggresive RL platform. However, an "RL coupe" sounds stupid and probably wouldn't sell. There's no name recognition there. Just ask the average Joe Schmoe on the street what an RL is and probably 9 time out of 10 they won't know what you're talking about. I think name recognition is a factor in the CL's downfall. ...RL...TL...CL...it's all too anonimous. IMO
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
You know, I would enjoy a premium luxury coupe based off what would hopefully be a far more aggresive RL platform. However, an "RL coupe" sounds stupid and probably wouldn't sell. There's no name recognition there. Just ask the average Joe Schmoe on the street what an RL is and probably 9 time out of 10 they won't know what you're talking about. I think name recognition is a factor in the CL's downfall. ...RL...TL...CL...it's all too anonimous. IMO
If most of us love the CL as is, imagine a new Legend coupe. We know the CL currently gives the 3-series and G35s a run for their money at a lower price, imagine a CL priced around $40K, awesome! Maybe they'd even be able to put a reliable tranny in it this time around.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 04:02 PM
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What I'm thinking is an RL (Legend) coupe that could compete with say the new 6 series but obviously, priced far lower.

Well if they're taking away the CL then I can dream, can't I?
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 04:02 PM
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they should take the rl of the market, i never see anybody with it around.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 04:19 PM
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Here is the 2004 RL by the way, not sure if it was posted or not......looks the same to me.







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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by OUTRAGEOUS CL TYPE S
they should take the rl of the market, i never see anybody with it around.
I see surprisingly more than one would expect.
But they don't need to take it off the market...it just needs a major overhaul. And it wouldn't hurt to go back to a normal naming convention. (ie Legend, Vigor, etc)
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 04:25 PM
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they should take the rl of the market, i never see anybody with it around.
Attention Acura: YOU MUST IMMEDIATELY DISCONTINUE THE RL SEDAN BECAUSE A BELOVED CL OWNER RARELY SEES THEM! I see more new RL's than CL-S...


EDIT: the RL looks the same...except for the slight change in the dash....what a dissapointment!
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 04:27 PM
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Yeah, that looks the same...but I thought the RL was on tap for a major overhaul. That to me looks like novacaine warmed over...the RL doesn't need another shot of novacaine, it needs a shot of adrenaline. IMO
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Beltfed
Here is the 2004 RL by the way, not sure if it was posted or not......looks the same to me.







FUCK ACURA 4 THIS ABOMINATION! :thumbsdn: :pee:
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