I was cruising down the highway in Michigan/Indiana and this new 300 came flying by behind me at about 110 mph. I moved to the right, let him pass, moved back into the fast lane and floored it. I stayed right behind him. He was held up by slower traffic in the fast lane.

When the slower car merged to the slow lane, he gunned it and I was right behind him. We stayed even the whole time, noone was gaining on anyone and then I started slowly pulling on him.

He moved to the right, let me pass and then moved back into my lane. I was held up by slower traffic again, but as soon as it opened up I gunned it. I never even put it in SS (it was in D5 the whole time, it was too early in the morning to race ) I never turned VSA off (probably didn't matter at the speed we were going) We stayed even and I started pulling a little, but not by much at all. Those few runs were all up to 120.

I have no Idea if that was the Hemi or the 6 cylinder one. I wanted to see how we'd do right next to each other but we never got the chance and that maniak kept going 110 the whole time while I slowed back down to 80.

6 cylinder has 250 hp and weighs 300 more pounds than the 01 CLS, the HEMI has 340 hp, 390 lb-ft torque but weighs 500 more pounds. I'd imagine the HEMI wouldn't be as good in higher RPMS.

Anyone ever race one? Which one do you guys think I raced?

Oh and the whole time this older model Eclicpse with rims, intake and an exhaust tried to keep up with us but fell way back each time. It didn't have a badge.

BTW, I drive a 01 totally stock CLS. Springs and shocks have arived. Still waiting on the Icebox from CCC.net and I'm still debating on which headers to get.

 

Sounds like you raced the base V6 model 300.

 

that's what I thought too, but shouldn't I be beating it by a lot more than that? I mean they make less hp and they weigh 300 pounds more, and I don't even think he was by himself (I was alone) Plus, I read that the Hemi one goes from 0-60 in 5.3 but quarter mile is high 13s low 14s. I'm sure this car get's most of it's power at the low end

 

yeah must have been the v6 300 not the 300c. you would have been destroyed by the 300c

 

So stock for stock chrysler's V6 with less hp and more curb weight are as fast as ours?

I need to get a new car now.

 

Well you did say you started to pull on him a little. Makes sense considering what speed you were going, you were in 4th gear, and the weight/hp difference between each car.

If you went at it from a stop you’d probably be in a better mood right now.

 

Yeah, I just read that they make 250 hp at 6400 rpms, which would explain why he kept up.

Now I need some mods to take on the Hemi.

 

What 1/4 mile times do the hemi's have? 0-60? skipad?

 

I read 0-60 in 5.3 but quarter mile is high 13s low 14s. I'd expect more from a car that does 0-60 in low 5s and having all that power than a 14 second quarter mile. I think that proves that they're way slower past the 5K rpm mark (peak hp).

 

Had you raced the V6 from a stop you would have won with ease....4th gear sux.

 

nice runs!!

 

Chrysler tends love underrate their horsepower output. eg. Neno SRT-4 puts out 220ish whp, but on the paper it is 240hp / 240tq at the crank.

"Brooke McClelland wrote: According to their chassis dyno, this Neon puts out 223 HP and 250 lb-ft of torque at the wheels!"

"Apex Technology has dynoed the SRT-4 and found 248 hp - at the wheels!"

http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon-srt-4.html

"put 223 hp and 250 lb-ft of torque to its front wheels on our Dynojet chassis dyno"

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ro.../012scc_dodge/


How could 240/240 at crank put down 220~248 at the wheel?

 

What exactly are you talking about? A low revving car isn't fast? Or a V8 cant make power past a certain RPM? Peak hp doesnt mean didly, it's just a number, more important are the torque and hp curves. A car that makes 450hp at 8k rpms but only 240 at 7k is a piece of shit.

I think you are a little confused about what power, rev range, torque, and gearing means.

 

Sorry, don't know what type of gearing they have but I do know that if I was racing at high speeds and if I had a choice between 2 cars with same horsepower but different peak hp, I'd pick the one that makes more power at higher rpms (6000) than one that pulls on me but then has to change gears after 5000 rpms just to stay in front of me.

And btw, a car that makes 450 hp at 8k and 240 at 7k isn't a piece of shit. I'd be happy to own one.

 

I think he was referring to the facts that if a car has 450hp at 8k rpm and 240hp at 7k rpm, its not a lot of useable hp. the car wouldn't be that quick until you hit 8k rpm's. you would basically have to floor the car all the time to get it to move. the only example i can think of of a car that doesn't have a lot of useable hp is an S2000. i think its 240 hp at 9k rpm's. you have to floor the hell out of it to get to over 200 hp, if you are just cruising around at like 4k rpm's, the engineis probable only making around 150hp or so. if anyone has a dyno graph of an S2000, it will make more sense.

 

If I was racing on a track with lot's of slowing down and accelerating, I'd want a car with shorter gears and more hp in the lower range, but it's a different story on the highway.

If you had 2 cars with the same power, the one with shorter gears would pull away, but the other one would always catch up at higher rpms, depending on the curve, and in the end, the one with higher would win.

 

The neon SRT may be underrated but, if anything, that 3.5 L is overrated. I say so because back in 2000 when I bought my CL-S I test drove a 300M with the 250 hp V6. The 300m weighed nearly as much as the CL-S and was allegedly only 10 hp less than the TypeS. There was no comparison in acceleration. The CL-S was MUCH faster.

 

So by that argument, you would'nt want a viper because you'd be shifting at 5500 rpm all the way to 189mph?

Makes sense -- keep your Acura please.

 

No -- the car with higher RPM's will not catch up and win.

Since when did RPM matter to win a race? I guess no one's seen the diesel trucks run 11's at the track shifting at 3300rpm..

Like I said, Keep your Acura.

 

Are you fucking dumb? I said car with the SAME HP. So you're telling me that a 260 hp diesel truck runs 11s...get a clue stupid, or read the post before you post nonesense.

 

No dumbass, I'd rather have a Porsche Carrera GT because I'd be shifting at 8000 rpms all the way to 210 mph.

Again, get a clue.

 

When it turns out, you are actually dumb.

 

Actually the diesels that run that fast dont have much more than stock hp... [sarcasm]Has something to do with the torque i think...[/sarcasm]

 

I think the base, 300C has 190hp.....then the 250hp V-6 then the HEMI....