Car Alignment
#1
Three Wheelin'
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Car Alignment
So my front right tires are always tearing up and wearing down really fast, so I figured the alignment was off.
So I get new tires and then bring it in for an alignment, and the guy hooks it up and comes back 20 min later saying that everything is within Spec within 5 degrees.
But now i don't know what to do since the car drifts left and the tires get chewed up, anyone have any ideas ?????
So I get new tires and then bring it in for an alignment, and the guy hooks it up and comes back 20 min later saying that everything is within Spec within 5 degrees.
But now i don't know what to do since the car drifts left and the tires get chewed up, anyone have any ideas ?????
#2
lover and fighter
Could still be your alignment, could be a bent wheel, could be badly balanced tires...
Did you align it right after buying new tires or are we talking a bit of time passing between the two occurrences? And when you say 5 degrees, that sounds like a lot...
Did you align it right after buying new tires or are we talking a bit of time passing between the two occurrences? And when you say 5 degrees, that sounds like a lot...
#3
Three Wheelin'
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I brought it in right after having new tires put on, watched the guy do the balancing and saw them his 0.00 for the weights.
Bent wheel possible, but the guy said everything with the suspension looked okay..
Bent wheel possible, but the guy said everything with the suspension looked okay..
Originally posted by r10apple
Could still be your alignment, could be a bent wheel, could be badly balanced tires...
Did you align it right after buying new tires or are we talking a bit of time passing between the two occurrences? And when you say 5 degrees, that sounds like a lot...
Could still be your alignment, could be a bent wheel, could be badly balanced tires...
Did you align it right after buying new tires or are we talking a bit of time passing between the two occurrences? And when you say 5 degrees, that sounds like a lot...
#7
Three Wheelin'
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oops.
Sorry forgot the . they said +- .5 degrees was the spec and mine was dead set on the half a degree
Sorry forgot the . they said +- .5 degrees was the spec and mine was dead set on the half a degree
Originally posted by Jens H.
5 degrees ..............????? can you post your alignment results?
Jens
5 degrees ..............????? can you post your alignment results?
Jens
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#8
Blown is Best
Originally posted by NJ_CLS_driver
I brought it in right after having new tires put on, watched the guy do the balancing and saw them his 0.00 for the weights.
Bent wheel possible, but the guy said everything with the suspension looked okay..
I brought it in right after having new tires put on, watched the guy do the balancing and saw them his 0.00 for the weights.
Bent wheel possible, but the guy said everything with the suspension looked okay..
#9
Three Wheelin'
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hmm interesting, thanks for the knowledge
Originally posted by Allout
Don't be fooled by the 0.00 reading. Tire machines can be set to round to the nearest 1/4 oz (so you can be + or -). The shop I go to has their machine display actual weights required in hundredths of an ounce - Trim weights to get as close as possible. When I asked them about this, they said most shops set to the rounded display to avoid customers questions and to give the appearance of absolute accuracy.
Don't be fooled by the 0.00 reading. Tire machines can be set to round to the nearest 1/4 oz (so you can be + or -). The shop I go to has their machine display actual weights required in hundredths of an ounce - Trim weights to get as close as possible. When I asked them about this, they said most shops set to the rounded display to avoid customers questions and to give the appearance of absolute accuracy.
#10
Sweet as Gold
yeah but in hundredths of an ounce...or whatever they round to won't cause the problems he's having...And if it was a bent rim then they would'nt balance out. Most likely bad alignment...
#11
I don't think it's your alignment. I had mine done by Kauffman Tire when I got my new tires and the car pulled to the left. I then took it to Acura to have it re-aligned and they told me it was in spec, car still pulled to the left. I had Acura do the Alignment again and check every square inch of the suspension and stuff. Again they told me it was good, still pulled to the left. Acura then moved moved driver side wheel from the front to the back. Car drives perfect. I am assuming I have bent rim.
Try moving your wheels around and see if it still pulls, that will tell you if it still is an alignment problem or possibly something else.
Try moving your wheels around and see if it still pulls, that will tell you if it still is an alignment problem or possibly something else.
#14
Three Wheelin'
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All Interior stuff, wasn't sure if the Aftermarket springs were worth it for me ? You think i should ?
Originally posted by ktgumbo
How come u have all those mods but no springs?
How come u have all those mods but no springs?
#15
Three Wheelin'
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Yeah I have moves tires around when rotating tires, I tried moving from left side to right on the rims, and had the tires taken off and rebalanced.
But its always the Front Right that the tires wear down super quick on the inside of the wheel.
But its always the Front Right that the tires wear down super quick on the inside of the wheel.
Originally posted by osclude
I don't think it's your alignment. I had mine done by Kauffman Tire when I got my new tires and the car pulled to the left. I then took it to Acura to have it re-aligned and they told me it was in spec, car still pulled to the left. I had Acura do the Alignment again and check every square inch of the suspension and stuff. Again they told me it was good, still pulled to the left. Acura then moved moved driver side wheel from the front to the back. Car drives perfect. I am assuming I have bent rim.
Try moving your wheels around and see if it still pulls, that will tell you if it still is an alignment problem or possibly something else.
I don't think it's your alignment. I had mine done by Kauffman Tire when I got my new tires and the car pulled to the left. I then took it to Acura to have it re-aligned and they told me it was in spec, car still pulled to the left. I had Acura do the Alignment again and check every square inch of the suspension and stuff. Again they told me it was good, still pulled to the left. Acura then moved moved driver side wheel from the front to the back. Car drives perfect. I am assuming I have bent rim.
Try moving your wheels around and see if it still pulls, that will tell you if it still is an alignment problem or possibly something else.
#17
Originally posted by osclude
I don't think it's your alignment. I had mine done by Kauffman Tire when I got my new tires and the car pulled to the left. I then took it to Acura to have it re-aligned and they told me it was in spec, car still pulled to the left. I had Acura do the Alignment again and check every square inch of the suspension and stuff. Again they told me it was good, still pulled to the left. Acura then moved moved driver side wheel from the front to the back. Car drives perfect. I am assuming I have bent rim.
Try moving your wheels around and see if it still pulls, that will tell you if it still is an alignment problem or possibly something else.
I don't think it's your alignment. I had mine done by Kauffman Tire when I got my new tires and the car pulled to the left. I then took it to Acura to have it re-aligned and they told me it was in spec, car still pulled to the left. I had Acura do the Alignment again and check every square inch of the suspension and stuff. Again they told me it was good, still pulled to the left. Acura then moved moved driver side wheel from the front to the back. Car drives perfect. I am assuming I have bent rim.
Try moving your wheels around and see if it still pulls, that will tell you if it still is an alignment problem or possibly something else.
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Whenever I go for an alignment, I ALWAYS get the before and after print out. You should learn to read the print out you can understand the numbers. It's the only proof you have whether the job is done right
#19
Three Wheelin'
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Still pulls left either way.
Originally posted by fuzzy02CLS
If you swap front tires with each other does the car still pull left? Or does the car now pull right?
If you swap front tires with each other does the car still pull left? Or does the car now pull right?
#20
Three Wheelin'
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Yeah they didnt give me a print out of the results, just verbal
Originally posted by tdtsai
Whenever I go for an alignment, I ALWAYS get the before and after print out. You should learn to read the print out you can understand the numbers. It's the only proof you have whether the job is done right
Whenever I go for an alignment, I ALWAYS get the before and after print out. You should learn to read the print out you can understand the numbers. It's the only proof you have whether the job is done right
#22
lover and fighter
yeah but in hundredths of an ounce...or whatever they round to won't cause the problems he's having...And if it was a bent rim then they would'nt balance out. Most likely bad alignment...
I still think you have an alignment issue--especially after enunicating it is only the inside, right from tire...
#23
Unless it is a significant bend you can probably balance it out .However the real issue here is a pulling condition .I am going to have to guess here as the car is not in front of me but if swapping tires did not change anything then something is bent or the alignment report was incorrect .Have it rechecked at another facility .And get a report in writing this time ,let's have a look at that instead of guessing .
Jens
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This will blow you guys away!
A few years ago I owned a 1987 Ford T-Bird Toubocoupe model. I got brand new high performance Ohtsu Visas 225/60/16's (all four).
The car pulled to the right as soon as I mounted the tires, so right away I limited the problem to either the tires, aligment, etc. I did everything... countless alingments, suspension checks, countless wheel balances, checked with plenty of professional people, and I could never get a clear answer.
One day, about a year and a half later, sitting in front of the car I noticed that the two front tires had the threads poinintg to the left. If fact, all tires were the same. All my tires were actually manufactured to be installed on only the right of left side of the car. The tires were not even unidirectional. This was a first for me! ! ! Actually, I have never heard of a tire manufacturing tire do this. I am pretty sure this was a manufacturing flaw. Something in the engineering diagrams fell through the cracks.
That blew my mind! Since then, I have stayed away from Ohtsus.
I ride on Pirelli Nero Zero's now
A few years ago I owned a 1987 Ford T-Bird Toubocoupe model. I got brand new high performance Ohtsu Visas 225/60/16's (all four).
The car pulled to the right as soon as I mounted the tires, so right away I limited the problem to either the tires, aligment, etc. I did everything... countless alingments, suspension checks, countless wheel balances, checked with plenty of professional people, and I could never get a clear answer.
One day, about a year and a half later, sitting in front of the car I noticed that the two front tires had the threads poinintg to the left. If fact, all tires were the same. All my tires were actually manufactured to be installed on only the right of left side of the car. The tires were not even unidirectional. This was a first for me! ! ! Actually, I have never heard of a tire manufacturing tire do this. I am pretty sure this was a manufacturing flaw. Something in the engineering diagrams fell through the cracks.
That blew my mind! Since then, I have stayed away from Ohtsus.
I ride on Pirelli Nero Zero's now
#26
Three Wheelin'
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Guess i'll take it to the dealer, just hate paying them so much and they give me such a hassle on warranty items like my navi going bad. They only care if its happening at that exact moment.
Originally posted by r10apple
Believe it or not, I actually saw the results of my balanced tire on a bent wheel. The reading was fine, but even spinning it by hand showed an obvious wobble...
I still think you have an alignment issue--especially after enunicating it is only the inside, right from tire...
Believe it or not, I actually saw the results of my balanced tire on a bent wheel. The reading was fine, but even spinning it by hand showed an obvious wobble...
I still think you have an alignment issue--especially after enunicating it is only the inside, right from tire...
#27
Blown is Best
Originally posted by Jens H.
Unless it is a significant bend you can probably balance it out .However the real issue here is a pulling condition .I am going to have to guess here as the car is not in front of me but if swapping tires did not change anything then something is bent or the alignment report was incorrect .Have it rechecked at another facility .And get a report in writing this time ,let's have a look at that instead of guessing .
Jens
Unless it is a significant bend you can probably balance it out .However the real issue here is a pulling condition .I am going to have to guess here as the car is not in front of me but if swapping tires did not change anything then something is bent or the alignment report was incorrect .Have it rechecked at another facility .And get a report in writing this time ,let's have a look at that instead of guessing .
Jens
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Originally posted by Jens H.
Unless it is a significant bend you can probably balance it out .However the real issue here is a pulling condition .I am going to have to guess here as the car is not in front of me but if swapping tires did not change anything then something is bent or the alignment report was incorrect .Have it rechecked at another facility .And get a report in writing this time ,let's have a look at that instead of guessing .
Jens
Unless it is a significant bend you can probably balance it out .However the real issue here is a pulling condition .I am going to have to guess here as the car is not in front of me but if swapping tires did not change anything then something is bent or the alignment report was incorrect .Have it rechecked at another facility .And get a report in writing this time ,let's have a look at that instead of guessing .
Jens
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I'm not sure if this is of any value or not but I had just purchased new tires right before my transmission had to be replaced.
I had taken the car in for one of the service intervals and the tech told me that my alignment was bad because the front tires were getting chewed up. I told them to check it out and the results came back fine (no alignment needed).
But what I noticed was that when I would use the sport shift and try to pass by shifting into 2nd, (used to commute on rural 2-lane roads) that the car would pull hard to one side when I hit the gas (like I had to use both hands to keep the car straight) and a couple of times the tires would chirp (also had this hapen alot when I would pull out into traffic--right before the tranny died. That is where I think the 'chewing up' came from.
But, after the transmission was replaced i never had that problem again. I still have the same tires and they're wearing just fine.
Could it be a torque issue related to the transmission? Jens may have a better idea.
I had taken the car in for one of the service intervals and the tech told me that my alignment was bad because the front tires were getting chewed up. I told them to check it out and the results came back fine (no alignment needed).
But what I noticed was that when I would use the sport shift and try to pass by shifting into 2nd, (used to commute on rural 2-lane roads) that the car would pull hard to one side when I hit the gas (like I had to use both hands to keep the car straight) and a couple of times the tires would chirp (also had this hapen alot when I would pull out into traffic--right before the tranny died. That is where I think the 'chewing up' came from.
But, after the transmission was replaced i never had that problem again. I still have the same tires and they're wearing just fine.
Could it be a torque issue related to the transmission? Jens may have a better idea.
#31
Originally posted by paulff3
This could mean a bad tire, too.
This could mean a bad tire, too.
NJ_CLS_driver take Jens advice an have someone else do an alignment, it will help you narrow down the problem.
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