01clsstock

some duchbag i know is picking one of the 07 tl types automatics up soon. Just wondering how quick those cars are? ( i have the xs headers in my trunk and will be getting an icebox for christmas) Can i keep up or will it be ugly?

Sun Diego CL-S

don't even think about it(especially if it's for $$). though the new TL-S isn't amazingly faster than the CL, he'll still embarass you unless he shifts like a granny. and, wrong forum dude. next time look for the race section to post in.

onebadtls

is th cl-s a 6speed? i think either way your gonna get your ass handed to you

Sun Diego CL-S

Acura waited until the last year of CL-S production to release the 6 spd. but all the rest are 5AT. even some '03s.

Lord Helmet

What are the numbers on the new TL-S?

I haven't driven one but I have driven a new TL and I will tell you my CL-S AT would have gave it a good spanking.

The TL wasn't nearly as powerful as the CL w/ I&H installed.

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

Since the new TLS is the 3.5L it will run comparable #'s to a 3.5 converted CLS, so you will loose & loose good.

CL Platano

the new TL type S is a 3.5L with 286hp and with your headers and intake you'll be around 270

YeuEmMaiMai

lets see

top end CL-S wins

unless you got headers and intake ur gonna loose....... because it is 260HP (some claim less on new standard but base 3.2L has 258) versus 286 and more torque........

Sun Diego CL-S

i highly doubt that. you're a little too optimistic on the CL.

Lord Helmet

Weight to power ratio?

YeuEmMaiMai

well i dont think so considering that headers are good for 30hp and intake adds to that (see CL FAQ) and the car is lighter by 170lbs (according to acura's published weight for a 07 TL type S)

since the new TL is limited to 136 and the CL is 147 he would win at the top end (in terms of max speed)


I guess I have to take the word of the CL FAQ.......

01clsstock

i was hoping with i/h i could win. Sounds like nobody has any official numbers on the new tl type s auto. Ohh well with all the money i saved i might have to purchase a little surprise (N2o) What does the stock tl auto run 14.6?

CL Platano

i doubt you get 30hp out of headers

dalostpinoy

TL's has a top end of 152mph, not 137

Lord Helmet

Thats pushing it.

01clsstock

10hp? thats being a little pessimistic

Lord Helmet

I can't remember the exact way to do this but don't you lose approx 19% of power thru the tranny/wheels, etc. (powertrain)?

If so, an AT CL-S w/ intake and headers should dyno at approx 230-235 +/- WHP.

If you lose 19% thru the powertrain, the '07 TL-S should be putting down about 232 WHP. Thats a loss of 54 horses. This would make it nearly comparable with the modded CL-S above.

That said, I would say drivers race for one and two, a modded 6spd CL would likely give it a damn good run for it's money.

This is all assuming my guess on powerloss is correct. Also, I'm assuming the 286hp number on the TL is crank rated.

If anyone has any input on this or if I need to be corrected please speak up.

SkillmatiC

sounds about right helmet. and yea the 286hp number is definitly crank rated on the 07 tl-s

HondaVtec21

I say go for it!!! As long as there's no money involved, whata ya got to lose.....I mean sh*t whats the worst that can happen, you lose and he brags for a day or two about his "FAST" New car?!?!

gaping46and2

iTrader: (2)

I don't think it's fair to use the same percentage ratio when calculating the two engines' WHP. Taking two different engine models and basing them on the same calculations isn't very accurate, especially since the SAE HP calculations have changed recently.

I'd put my money on the TL-S anyway, if I had to choose.

crippler22

Those 07 TL-S's are bad looking. I can't wait to race one in my Impala SS. I'm sure it will give me a good run. I have done some research and have not found any reliable data on the 07 TL-S. I have found some speculation which was 0-60 in 5.7 sec and 14.3 in the quarter, but again those are not official times.

AcuracltypeS03

Then go to a TL-s family :ghey:

frankiej73

I have a 01 CL-S with an AEM cold air intake. I raced a 2004-06 TL on desolate highway route 55 in South Jersey at 1am on a Saturday night that I happenned upon. He kept taunting so I said "what the hell", there was noone in sight so I figured it would be safe enough, at least for anyone else out there. We went from a rolling 50 mph and couldn't believe he stayed with me...I called it a tie as I slowed at 130mph. He gave me a smile and a wave as he took the next exit. It was quite a run. Obviously, I don't know if he had anything added to his TL but he certainly gave me a run that I soon won't forget...

frankiej73

Hey Crippler22, I raced an Impala SS in Maryland on 95 South and got my azz handed to me... I stayed with him for , ummmm, like 10 seconds thru second gear and then, zoooom, he was gone...although I did see him up ahead pulled over by a Maryland State Boy... He waved at me when I passed...I gave him that sly smile back...

Lord Helmet

But isn't it pretty standard that with an automatic tranny, you lose that approx percentage regardless of model and engine?

It would be nice if someone else with more experience or knowledge of this would chime in.

Also, if what Crippler says regarding the specs of the TL-S is true, then with I&H, a CL-S AT should hold it's own I would imagine. At this point, I'm still calling it a drivers race until we can get some real specs.

CL Platano

Frankie you seem to be a little speed racer down there in S. Jersey.

Not being pessimistic with the new ratings I think our cars went down to 253 at the crank so I was giving it roughly 17 extra horse, headers add 10-15 estimated and intake 1-5..

Lord Helmet

Plat, headers on a CL-S should get you 20 or more ponies to the wheels.

03CoupeV6

First there are a couple of problems with this. You're comparing the TL-S having 286hp on the new system and the CL-S having 260 on the old system. The CL-S would only have about 248-250 under that old system, so that's a 36-38hp advantage of the TL-S. If you have to compare old systems, then the CL-S has 260hp and the new TL-S has 300hp. The TL-S numbers I have seen say 13.7 quarter mile time. I can't remember where I read that, though. A CL-S WILL lose, hands down.

BraveDemon

Yup. As long as the headers of decent quality. Same for the 2nd Gen TL-S too. But I think peak is 20. Some get as much as 25, others as low as 17.

Back to the original topic.

I don't think it's likley. I've test driven an 07 TL-S 6 speed, and it's nothing like the CL-S 6 speed. The new TL-S is a beast and if you're running an 01 CL-S against an 07 TL-S (even if it is auto) you will lose. I think the 6 speeds stand a better chance against an 07 TL-S auto.

If you had... lets say: i/h/e/p/s... you should edge it out. Intake and headers alone... I don't think it'd be enough.

And then theres also the factor of the condition your car is in: i have no idea how well you've maintained your car, but if the car has undergone some pretty stressful situations, you might actually be running less HP than what you originally had.

You can also try: running with a quarter tank or less, taking out spare tire, make sure tires are at correct pressure, make sure tires have grip, etc. But if the TL driver isn't a complete idiot, he'd do the same.

Lord Helmet

I'm basing my input on a CL-S that has an intake, headers and has been dyno'd showing power at the wheels, not the crank.

Do you think you can try to find that info in the TL-S? I looked earlier but I couldn't find anything.

01clsstock

i looked everywhere also even on acura's site but i cant find any quarter mile numbers or 0-60 also for the tls running a 14.3 in the quarter is probably for the six speed.

Sun Diego CL-S

all you have to do is go over to the 3rd Gen TL guys on here. they'll tell you about it.

01clsstock

those guys dont know some one said they ran a 9.40 in the 1/8th mile but it was a manual that couldn't get traction

JadeFox

i DUSTED one of those new TL's, some dorky kids were in it, so it didnt take much head nodding to get em goin, it was on a 2-lane that turns into a 1-lane (gotta love those) we both floored it and i was BARELY out in front when it switched to one lane..just BARELY!!

LiQiCE

You guys who are adding mod #s together to get total hp are forgetting that the mods on the 2nd Gen CL/TL-S's give you a lot of hp, but not really peak hp. The Comptech Icebox is rated at like 15hp ... thats the peak gains, same with the ~25hp you get from the headers, its peak gains. Meaning if your car is making lets say 180 whp at 5800 rpms stock, and you're making 205 whp at 5800 rpms with headers, you're making 25hp more. But -- if you're making 215whp at 6500rpms (lets guesstimate this is peak hp), and the headers only give you 5hp at 6500rpms, you're now only making 220whp peak, so you can't say, 260 crank hp + 25hp for headers + 15hp for intake = 300hp -- Doesn't work that way.

Besides, there's way more to acceleration than just horsepower. Gear ratios, weight, driver ... all play a part.

The new 3.5 TL-S 6spd should destroy a 2nd gen 5AT CL/TL-S, but a 5AT 3.5 TL-S verus a modded 2nd gen 5AT CL-S? ... I dunno, if lets guess a 5AT 3.5 TL-S is running a 14.3 1/4 mile consistently ... I've seen 5AT CL-S's with I/H/E run 14.5's ... thats a driver's race imho.

Lord Helmet

Thats what I've been trying to say.

01clsstock

lord helmet i like your new pic under your name

Lord Helmet

Special thanks to CLarise-169 for the chop, I added the hat.

lil_turbo4

What acura has a top speed of 137mph? Cause last time I checked my CL-s Top speed was at 152 as well!

lil_turbo4

Look I have already test drove the TL-S and I raced my own CL-s six speed. I let my boy drive my car to see the difference. I straight killed him, it was embarrassing and it was my car. So just imagine what its going to be like if yall race them. Im going to tell you right now, You can have Intake and exhaust and you still wont beat them! I/h/e, you might have a serious chance, but only the six speeds! Not the autos!