i remember the exact post when you explained your trouble coming into that wet corner. it was right before you got your 6mt. i also remember you saying you had only tried ss mode a couple times prior and that you were experimenting w/ it.

all i am saying is now that i have a bit of experience w/ ss, it's the way to go when you want more control over gear selection.

but, of course it won't offer the control of the 6mt

 

Yea, I remember THAT one.
You guys ripped me a NEW ONE telling me that I didn’t know how to drive the Slush-Box.

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=59337

I’m glad THOSE days are over.

Shawn S

 

My point exactly. I could care less that the SMG can shift .15s faster than me. I will still have more fun driving than a person in the SMG.

 

top fuel drag racers use a clutch with 5 different clutch plates. they only have 2 gears, forward and reverse, and by the time they are half way down the 1/4 they are fully clutched out. at that point the plates have generated so much heat that they have fused together and are exerting 23,000 psi on each other

 

IMO i think that manual gearboxes are here to stay. The feeling and control that you get is un matchable. Not only can you FEEL the engine and the wheels in the clutch, but it gives you so much DIRECT control over the car. It returns the power from a little computer (not saying its bad) to the driver. You can do what you want, when you want. If you want to ride the clutch, go ahead. The ability to go into neutral if anything goes wrong is helpful. From a fun standpoint, performance standpoint, and control standpoint, manual is unsurpassable. If you live in the city though...stay away ;-).

 

Anyone think the shmo that wrote that article even knows how to drive a stick???

He can suck me ass..

 

You forgot to add they don't have tranny's. Just the progressive clutch you mentioned above.

Also, people that use auto's for other racing (non-drag), use
them for their repeatable results. There is less chance for human error, and more repeatable shift times.

 

TOP FUEL...christ...we are talkin like something comparable...like a braket racer or something...camaro(Junk)...rustang(More Junk)
However your point is good and you are one smart mofo!!!

 

Who knows about the "here to stay" part.

I would personally make anyone who could, learn to use a stick at a track to at least let them know what is going on with a manual (a lot can be learned from "playing" with a manual gearbox and a clutch).

OTOH, you could argue that having a manual/hand crank starter on a car (long since replaced with electrical starters) would be just the ticket for people stuck away from power and hills to get a "dead car" started (try getting enough speed doing a "pop-start" on a new manual with a completely "toasted"/"fried" battery and no "help"); it won't be going anywhere unless you can get some horses or people to push the car fast enough to light up the computer, injectors, and other power-sucking gear. My point: some "control" was sacrificed for convenience and economy. (They could have left the hand crank in, but how many people would NOW ask for it and/or pay for it -- times change...)

There is no reason that someone couldn't put a third pedal on a SMG and turn the mode from "clutch operated" to "non-clutch operated" if enough people insisted that they have that ability. I just don't see too many people "opting" or "asking" for the extra $$$ to have a stick + SMG + clutch. Demographics are unfair to a select few, but as people get older, and get "tired" of the novelty of day-to-day clutching/shifting, they start drifting towards "pseudo-shift" technology (name your version here).

Technology transfer also plays a role in moving towards NO clutch. Most of the innovations from F1 and other competition sports have found their way into street vehicles. If F1 drivers really thought that they could not “control” their vehicles with a SMG, they would be putting the clutches back in already. There is a neutral capability with a SMG – it puts the car in neutral by command or when stopped.

I enjoy the pleasure of car #2 with manual to have some "kicks", but person #2 is getting pretty grumpy about driving a manual "only" vehicle with no "auto" mode.

 

My point is if ur were going to buy a Honda Civic EX then get it in stick to squeeze more performance from it. Nowadays cars I'll use the Altima for an example with the V6 and auto is still beating a lot of manuals out there and that not even a premium car. The new Maxima in auto is still doing less than 7.0 sec. 0-60. So driving a manual does not necessarily mean its faster than the auto probable more fun but that's it.

What I want to know is how a properly modded CL auto will do with a modded CL 6 sp. I know the 6 sp. has posted better numbers but I think traction is still its major vice.

My .02

 

Who cares which one is faster.I can double clutch 2nd,jump like a MOFO and lay this nasty patch with vtec poppin,what a rush.Damn I love my 6spd! >;]

 

Pure manuals are old news, if clutchless is good enough for FI and CART, it's good enough for me.