darrinb

umm if none of you post a slip within the next week i am gonna kill my self


so go to the track so i can stay alive please

TL_Type_S

yeah .. it'd ALSO be nice to see an automatic s/c-ed CL-S/TL-S go to the track... we already sorta have pseudo-stats on the 6-speeder c/o C&D.

darrinb

fuck car and driver they cant drive, i have never driven a manual before and i can beat there 14.2

darrinb

oh btw

smitty can do the funeral

AztecRol

iTrader: (2)

There are guys on this site with the AUTO and NO S/C running faster than that!!!! That C&D run was PATHETIC at best!!!

The auto with a S/C will be running mid 13s all day long!!

The 6 spdr will be runnin LOW 13s, high 12.9s with a GREAT launch!!!

Just my

types1967

the biggest problem again guys is traction .your not going to run mid 13s unless we can get drag radials and eliminate wheel hop.well high 13s but 12s would be great im getting ready to run next month so ill post my times whatever it is.

Smitty

Well I have less than 200 miles on the car since it has been S/C'ed so sit tight... It is pretty hard for me to find the time.. people won't stop dying on me here.... besides the track is a good hour away and no one wishes to take off work to go with me (need to get there early or you will never get a run in--)

I have not gotten a good solid sleep in since I got back from vacation........ it is like coming back from vacation is a ticket to work you to death..

Slimey

Work you to death or working for death?

CLS2001_97124

Without hard launch, how fast you guys think the manual S/C can run?

ChadT

Is there a known method of eliminating wheel hop on a CL? I know a lot of Hondas have the double wishbone suspension and I'm sure they all hop bad. (My Prelude did) There are definitely some quick front drive Hondas out there so it can be done. Does anyone know what causes the wheel hop on these cars? Suspension design? Motor mounts? Shocks and springs don't seem to cure it to any significant degree.

allmotor_2000

You can't launch the 6-speed hard... anything over 1.5K RPM and you are doomed

Smitty

Another guy on the board is working on upgrading the bushings.

DeansblackCLS

And yet another is working on have the Z-Bar done for the 6Speeders.....Works like the one's for the Civics and stops wheel hops on high horsepower front wheel drivers.

ModAddict

You're gonna die. :P
I'm not gettin near a track untill things cool down around here, you know,..October, November.


Who?

DeansblackCLS

Another customer of mine up in Philly. He has already talked to them about it and they are waiting for his car to be done and will be fitting it up shortly after.

ModAddict

OK

They work great on the Civic!

ChadT

Anybody know where there is more info on this? I would love to be able to get some nice smooth wheelspin. Not that I would ever do anything like that.

Chaptorial

Yeah for the love of god get some slips up ASAP!

Smitty

FYI:.... I will be going to the Dyno before I go to the track after I am done with this exhaust mod.. then I will go venture out to a test and tune night and run at the track..

kHmER Co

buy allmotors bogards

TL_Type_S

you probably didn't take a look at the other stats b/c all you do is jerk off to your 14.27 timeslip ...

Next time you care to enlighten yourself (which may not be for a while) consider the other stats like the 30-50mph, 50-70, etc...

that car will outhaul you any day from a roll... AND from a stop if properly driven ..

How can you BEAT their 14.2 exactly?? you refuse to go to the track and BEST your 14.2 time!

Darrin, you're my hero

DISRUPTV

i/h/e+s/c on an auto=~13.7-14.1

i/h/e+ s/c on a 6spd=~13.2-13.7


i'd bet the times will be in that neighborhood

DISRUPTV

btw, not trying 2 start a controversy or anything w/those above numbers....unfortunatelylack of traction is the reason why I went w/those numbers...however, i know for a fact that any cl-s/tl-s that has an s/c, will have its greatest advantage from a roll in a race (above 35mph)

civic4982

funny and true... but damn man... you're too mean!!!

DeansblackCLS

We have an 03 TLS with Comptech Headers, Axle-backs, springs, sways and S/C and he is currently running 14.2's in the FL heat and humidity.

His car gets faster every week.

ModAddict

What pulley is he running?

MtBikR

I'd say you're right on with these time as far as this would be the range that most cars would end up in. I know everyone quotes thier fastest time, but we all know what "other" times our cars have produced on trips to the strip. Last trip to the strip I was running low 14s. Wonder why I didn't post the slips?:flamer:

But in all honesty, my engine is short of its expected (desired) output and I live in hell. But I believe that a healthy SC auto should put down 13.8s to 13.9s consistantly.

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Ok here are the simulated Timeslips:

Weather Conditions: AP: 30.45 Temp: 50F, Dew Point: 20F
Fri Aug 8 03 5:27 pm
Time Slip For: 2001 Acura CLS Import moded with Comptech SC 285 WHP, 2750 rpm Brake Torque

RT .500
60 ft 2.194
330 ft 5.753
1/8 ET 8.721 @ 83.45 MPH
1000 ft 11.302
1/4 ET 13.468 @ 104.39 MPH

6-speed:

ri Aug 8 03 5:31 pm
Time Slip For: 2003 Acura CLS-6 Import moded Comptech SC 307 WHP. , 3000 rpm launch.

RT .500
60 ft 2.063
330 ft 5.653
1/8 ET 8.612 @ 86.19 MPH
1000 ft 11.131
1/4 ET 13.266 @ 106.01 MPH

Now, 5-speed with realistic 2400 rpm launch:
Fri Aug 8 03 5:45 pm
Time Slip For: 2001 Acura CLS Import moded with Comptech SC 264 WHP, 2400 rpm Brake Torque

RT .500
60 ft 2.205
330 ft 5.820
1/8 ET 8.833 @ 82.20 MPH
1000 ft 11.457
1/4 ET 13.661 @ 102.49 MPH

DeansblackCLS

ModAddict,

Stock pulley....about 4-4.5 lbs of boost

ModAddict

Essarak Huot

thanks Dean for the info, most def you will be notice once upon completion....................................

darrinb

u always talk shit man

i dont refuse to go to the track, the days i can go its closed, i just havent had the time latley

dont fuckin put words in my mouth sayin i refuse to go to the track, i got other shit to do man

ChadT

Is this the Z-bar for controling wheel hop? What exactly is it? Anyone have a picture of this. Eliminating wheel hop on the 6-speed cars would probably help a lot at the strip.

ModAddict

Not for our cars yet, but I guess they're going to try it.

Go to products, and scroll down a few, and you'll see the bars for the older Honda's. http://www.z10eng.com/index2.cfm

I am RobG

with the S/C i give it a 13.5. From a roll that thing's gonna be a monster..but from a stop you're not gettin in the 12's

darrinb

u still savin for the blower rob???

ChadT

Very interesting. I wonder if beefing up the stock radius arm bushings would accomplish the same thing. I remember taking my Prelude to the track. You either had to bog it or get a bunch of wheel hop. Sticky tires seemed to make it worse too.

ModAddict

Jens had suggested the same thing a while back, but no one has tried it that I know of. There's nothing available off the shelf, so it would take a little R&D and some sort of cross-application.

ChadT

Hmmm.....This is exactly what I had thought about doing with the Prelude. From looking at the Helms the CL suspension is pretty much the same design. The only place where there could be much slop is where the radius arm attaches to the body (It bolts directly to the lower control arm). It has two big cushy rubber bushings (they're actually hollow) that sandwich on to the cross member. I wonder if you could just change the rear bushing to poyurathane to eliminate the wheel hop and leave the front one in place to help absorb impacts. This could be the ultimate cheap SOB mod. Looks like a piece of cake to change. Would have to be the right size though as this is where the caster is adjusted.

ChadT

Found some more info on the wheel hop issue and a really cheap fix. (possibly......would have to try it to be sure). This shows a cheap way to reinforce motor mounts on an Evo. Could work for us. Would also work well on the radius rod bushings as they are pretty much shaped like a cup.

http://www.evolutionm.net/features/a...orner&id=14&s=