krisdlm

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I was wondering if anyone has raced one? Do you we'd stand a chance fully modded (including the pleniums) minus the S/C. High end maybe? My friend raced his 05 m3 and they were pretty even off the bat until 3rd.

MarbleGT

Not a chance in hell, S/C'ed or not.

MarbleGT

I take that back...maybe supercharged. I think the 335i does the quarter in 13-13.3 seconds.

krisdlm

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not even s/c! give the cl a little credit. The 335 doesn't seem to have the high end power of the m3, but then again r high end power sucks too, but wouldnt the sc even things out a bit

mclarenf3387

A supercharged CL would run neck in neck with a 335 at higher speeds.

A CL with no FI would be bus lengths behind a 335 from any speed.

NightRider

I didn't race a 335 tt cuz I knew better, but I have I/H and was up by one and gave it a drop from 55-85mph...then slowed down and he did about the same, I knew just from that demo they were fast as shit. 335's are very comparable to M3's. S/C CL's are definitely capable of mid to low 13's, so they most likely run well with 335tt's dependant upon gear ratios, although you would think with tt the 335 would have an edge. N/A even 6MT I/H/E plenums, spacers would be high 13's compared to mid or low 13's for the 335. Considering the potential of tt supras, 300z's, STI's, etc. I would rather have a 335tt over an E46 M3.

Here is video of what looks like highway speeds stock E46 M3 vs stock 335tt. M3 gets the jump but 335 still pulls...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqvkf...eature=related

NightRider

Just noticed the M3 and possibly also the 335 may be RHD...don't know what's up with that or where this was filmed. It also says filmed at 5500 ft in the description, and I can witness that living a mile high definitely affects NA more than FI. The race may have been closer at sea level...

Silver Si El Es

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I raced one, and got my ass whooped...........very whooped indeed. Oh yeah, i have intake headers, and exhaust and CF hood which shaves like 1/2 a pound if that helps (01 auto). eh It was fun either way.

scribo

I had the chance to play cat and mouse with one a couple of weeks ago. He was jerry and I was basically garfield. I tried to keep up with I/H and he was having his weekend cruise while we were doing it. Pretty fun, but no chance in hell.

Accord_V6_400m

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I kept up with a 335i NA, he launched on me and we went till about 70, still need to get my car retuned and what not then maybe I can inch by him, basically your hoping your peak hp numbers are good enough to compete and for you heavier CL's that means your going to need around 270-280whp. It was funny because the guy I raced had a dark red sedan like me and it was also a 6speed, he was suprised that I chirped 2nd gear :p

EL19

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i saw those thngs run mid 13s like 13.5 13.4...a fully modded 6spd CLS should b able to run those numbers as well...hell my 03 TLS runs high 13s with all bolt ons except plenums...supercharger would equal a win over the 335..

JBlueCLS6

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A blown 6 speed could hang with a stock 335i. No way in hell can a J32 hang with one N/A.

Lets also not forget for $350 the N54 engine will gain about 35 HP and 50 lbs torque.

Sun Diego CL-S

I've never had the chance to try racing one of these though I have driven one. The engine sound is intoxicating.

From what I've read, it is closely matched to the times put down by an E46 M3. I had a go against an E46 M3 from a stop. Let's just say that I was owned x2.

aftershock141

I beat my friends mom's 335i while he was driving. I don't have a CL-S though.

srehmat02

Well over on the "other" forum that I am not allowed to mention, Sean with his S/C'ed J32 accord kept up pretty well with a ProCede 335i on the freeway. Go over and check it out.

Accord_V6_400m

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Yep the guy had v2 Procede with bolt ons, but I think he was running 91 octane at the time and was on his way to get some 100 octane.

Not sure why you guys dont think we can't keep up NA, I can. Just good luck trying to do so from a stop
Keep in mind all we really need to look at are the trap speeds and they do trap high, but anyone can be caugh on a bad day I suppose.

NightRider

Haha ya 300tq@1900rpm is hard to compete with off the line...I'm thinkin' you weigh less than the damn 3500 lbs most of us are tipping the scale at also...

EDIT: WOW my bad 1400 not 1900 rpm, better keep the parking brake on while @ idle

Accord_V6_400m

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You wish it was 300 more like 290wtq, so even worse for us. Thing is though it doesn't matter because after a few gears they wontbe using that anymore anyways. There tiny turbos stock are good for low and midrange but they suck for high end power as is. Just think how much a 3.0 at 8psi should be putting down stock. Yeah I tip the scales around 3200.

juruki

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There is NO NA 335. They come turbocharged from the factory.
I was driving my friends 335ci and beat my cousin's 6MT S4 (V8) from a 65 roll till about 130 by a car length.
CL-S stands no chance in hell, trust me.

italiaCLs

I took a 335 out by a a few bus lengths... My freind owns the car.

Accord_V6_400m

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Apparently your reading comprehension doesn't stand a chance in hell either :p

I said 335 NA not NA 335, huge difference. One means I took one out while I WAS NA, the other as you pointed out refers to the 335 as being NA, hence why I put NA after the 335.

JBlueCLS6

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Accord V6 400... You beat a musta beat a piss poor driver to keep up/beat a 335. Regardless what you weigh those cars are pretty underrated and if my memory serves me right, you're NA and putting down 270 at the hubs. Still nowhere near enough to beat a properly driven 335.

They put down 280+ WTQ from 1400 RPM to I believe nearly 6000 RPM. So they still produce a helluva lot of torque approaching redline.

Accord_V6_400m

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Well the sedan probably weighs around 400lbs more then me since it comes in around 3600lbs. Torque is flat until 5000 rpm. Car made 278 at the hubs with Accord cat and stock exhaust piping size.

Considering I trap between 102-103, and those things can always heat soak it doesn't sound unreasonable to me. A car that gets around 270X whp is far off from me and as I mentioned earlier it weighs a lot more, plus we went to about 70, so it wasn't much. Driver seemed alright, didn't make any mistakes and shifts seemed fast enough.

juruki

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I dont think so buddy. Keep dreaming

krisdlm

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well, i might be getting a s/c tommorow, but my buddy in his m3 still thinks he can take me. I sure this thing is worth it!

JBlueCLS6

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So you went to 70 and kept up with a car that does 0-60 in 5 ticks or under...?

Right.......

Would have been more realistic if you got him up top but after over 100ish.

Hes got you by around 50 lbs/tq. and its more like 300 lbs.

srehmat02

I believe you, after sitting in your car. Mine feels so slow now

Accord_V6_400m

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Haha, why the disbelieve, my car is one of the faster NA ones out there. The torque isn't as beneficial as you may think off a roll, so long as I can stay in my rpm range and force him into his high end.

His just plain science, for people that haven't even raced one you guys are sure saying a lot, haha. Keep in mind my results are from a slow roll, from a stop the beamer just takes off liek a bat out of hell, no way I can compete with that even with the 225 tires I had at the time, now with the 205's that would be impossible.

Doesn't matter what you guys think, if you can't reason it out then thats your lost, not mine. The fact is that it was stock and not modified. I'd understand the doubt if I said I beat him but i barely kept up.

sinfulj32

actually the automagic 335 is not a mean. my cousin has one and the gears are long as hell. i think that a full bolt-on cls-6 could stick it.

but dude seriously, the 6spd 335i can shit on a e46 m3. thats fast. you're gonna need FI to get even close

SuperTrooper169

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Uhhh... no. Taken straight from caranddriver.com

"Even knowing what we know about the engine and tranny, we were still surprised just how quick the 335i automatic is. Indeed, this particular Arctic Metallic 335i coupe was the quickest 3-series coupe we’ve ever strapped our instruments to, and it also ended up right on top of an E46 M3, with 0-to-60-mph passes in 4.9 seconds and 100 mph in 12.1. The quarter-mile happened in a blistering 13.4 seconds at 106 mph, 0.2 second and 1 mph quicker than the 335i manual we tested last year."

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...ffs-page3.html

SIRSIG

i'm not here to back up my buddy (Accord_V6_400m) but hope this help his case against the 335i claim...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0tiz6ktdqwA

that's Sean's car SC 7th gen Accord, who went 13.1@105 in Fontana...

Accord_V6_400m

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Mag racing


Thanks Sig

SuperTrooper169

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Oh boy, here we go again. Haven't we already had this e-fight before? I'm just using the numbers as a reference. According to C&D the auto was even faster than the 6 speed, whether the average person is going to be able to pull of mag numbers or not. I wasn't trying to say if you own an auto 335i you're going to run this, or if you own a 6 speed 335i you're going to run that, it was just to illustrate that the auto is not a slouch with long gears like that dude was saying. So out of curiosity, what exactly is the difference between the numbers that a mag reports and what you report? Are you one of these conspiracy theorists that thinks BMW is paying mags to up the numbers to sell more autos or something? Just because you ran to 70 mph with a 335i now you're the absolute authority on a 335is performance and only person that can give accurate information on their numbers? Oh, and of course you definitely know that the guy you kept up with till 70 was going all out, right? I saw some of your videos on Youtube and quite frankly at least one of those "encounters" was you racing someone that didn't even know they were racing. Well, I guess I'll stop posting magazine numbers so you don't get upset with me if God forbid I report numbers of a car that you "raced" and give someone printed information.

NightRider

There are some pretty quick AT Supra's out there...with sequential turbos enabling a crazy wide powerband, long gears can work towards your advantage. Then again, I just checked the GR's of the 6AT and 6MT 335 and they are nearly equal within .10 1st-4th, the AT actually has a steeper 1st gear. Looks like the only major difference between the AT and MT 1/4's could be dyno numbers, anyone have any? FTR I hate mag racing as much as the next guy, but it does have it's truths.

DAMN SIRSIG, saw your car on YT and it is fast man, good job.

Accord_V6_400m

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I don't mind mag numbers but come on just be more realistic when using them just like any statistic out there it can used for or against something at the same time. As for the "not racing me" that M5 did take off, I figured he was in economy mode and didn't care to use all 500hp as a result. Too bad Siggy didn't get a chance to get a go at him. Everyone has gone all out against me, I talked to the 335 driver, raced him a couple of times, so ya I know for a fact he was booking it.

Look its obvious you won't believe it no matter what your just trying to make sense of it in your mind so it fits what you expect. Im sorry for trying to shatter your world views

SuperTrooper169

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You didn't shatter my world views, they were already shattered with the ridiculous things going on in this world right now, like people killing other people before committing suicide and shit like that. Discrediting mag numbers should be the least of my concerns, but to say they are worthless is just not true so I felt like I needed to defend why I posted what I did. And again, my intentions weren't to say this is exactly what you're going to run if you have this car, it was simply to point out that the auto 335i isn't way slower than the 6 speed, on the contrary it's slightly faster, and isn't like comparing say an auto CL-S to a 6 speed CL-S.

It's all good, you have your opinion and I have mine, but what it comes down to is individual experiences and knowledge. I didn't say all the cars you raced in those vids weren't legit, it just seemed some were questionable, but no doubt your car is quick and I admire what you've put into it with the swap and all. Sheesh, I drive an Accord myself.

Accord_V6_400m

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Its all cool, we should just chill at a restaurant and if you don't mind I already have one picked out, lets see if you can guess which one.

TheAcAvenger

FWIW, I raced my old 02TLS with I/H/E with my new stock 335 and it wasn't even close. I will attribute to some of that being the driver being a pretty big pansy and not knowing how to trick the TL-S into going fast, but it wasn't that close... i'd say 4-6 CLS from 50-120.

My old car sure did sound better though.

srehmat02

Ill trade in my car for the new 135i, even though it looks kinda

SuperTrooper169

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Ha ha, you burger punk!