DDT-TypeS

For all you people who claim you will take the law into your own hands when someone steals your ride or when they vandalise your ride...think again!


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Man pleads guilty to manslaughter in shooting of car thief
07/22/2003

Associated Press


TACOMA, Wash. - A father of four who shot a fleeing car thief to death has pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of second-degree manslaughter and could spend less than two years in prison.

Fredrick Tremayne Sims, 33, entered the Alford plea Monday in Pierce County Superior Court, maintaining that he was innocent but conceding he would likely be convicted if the case went to trial.

Judge Stephanie A. Arend set sentencing for September.

"He feels like he acted in self-defense," defense lawyer Ray Thoenig said. "The individual tried to run him off the road, and I think he was aiming at the car and not the individual." Sims could have faced 61/2 to 81/2 years in prison under state sentencing guidelines if convicted of first-degree manslaughter in the death of Carl "C.J." James, 15.

Deputy prosecutor Ed Murphy said he would recommend the low end of the standard range, one year and nine months to two years and three months.

The case, a source of intense local debate over the rights of crime victims, arose Dec. 14 after Sims, a victim of three previous auto thefts, was awakened by his girlfriend shouting that their 1985 Pontiac had just been stolen.

Prosecutors said Sims grabbed a .38-caliber handgun, gave chase in his van, pulled alongside the car a few blocks away and fired three times after failing to get the driver to stop.

Sims said had James swerved toward him, causing him to fear for his life.

First-degree manslaughter involves recklessness or disregard of a known, substantial risk. Second-degree manslaughter reflects lack of awareness of a substantial risk.

Murphy said he agreed to the lesser charge because jurors might have sympathized with Sims and refused to convict him of the more serious offense.


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mc222

Utter Bullshit - If I was on the jury I would never convict him

jimcol711

this reminds me of a situation one of my freinds was in back in 1995.

He was driving down the road with a freind (my freind was driving) they pulled up to a stoplight and there were 2 guys on a crotch rocket, and my buddys passanger said something like "look at those 2 homos" the driver on the bike started talking shit and then as the light turned green the guy riding the back of the bike shot 5 rounds at my freinds car with a 9 mm. my freind and his freind were both shot. my freind was shot in the chest, his freind got shot in the arm and it came out his pec muscle.

anyways the bike speeds off with the 2 guys on it and my friend and his freind just sit there for a minute trying to comprehend what just happend then my freind turned the vehicle around (he didnt realize he was shot yet, he didnt feel it he said) and started driving really fast to chase them down and to get to the hospital. anyhow, they catch up to the bike about a mile down the road and my buddy sideswipes the bike, knocking both of the guys off the bike and sending the bike skidding down the road quite a ways.

then my buddy and his freind drove back to his apartment which was across the street from a firehouse and they both got medical attention and sufferred no long term injuries or problems, just scars. both were lucky to not have gotten hit in an organ.

but it gets worse. turns out that the driver of the bike was a latin king gang member who had rich parents and the guy who actually did the shooting was trying to get initiated into the gang. so anyways, the driver of the bikes' parents SUES MY FREIND in civil court for purposely hitting the guys off the bike AFTER THEY FUCKING SHOT THEM!! they were found guilty of some intention to cause bodily harm or something...i dont remember the exact charge. but its fucking disgusting, the legal system in this country is fucking so messed up sometimes.

n00dleboy

That's why u make sure they're dead first.

VTECPOWER

bullaculla

thats prettty fuct up.

Epoc

Only in the U.S. shit like this happens.
There needs to be a common sense judge in the judicial system.

gdubb

fucked up these says how this happens

a robber breaks into YOUR home, you kill him in YOUR home, The burglar's family sues YOU for wrongful death and wins. I feel very bad for this guy and the thief got what he deserves

CL P Diddy

Almost exact same story happened in downtown Austin a couple years ago.

This kind of case invokes some emotion, but if the thief is running from you there is no threat present and if you shoot him you are going to prison.

power3dfx

i agree. if the thief runs, and is not concerned with killing you, then you should not kill them. its just like how the cops do not shoot someone unless they feel endangered. - or at least they arent supposed to!
if the thief has a weapon of any sort and it was drawn, then this guy would of got no sentence at all. and yes the judicial system is screwy, this has been for a long time now. not much one person can do to change the actions of judges all around the world. plain sad.

RaptorCLS

People are getting sick on thieves and crap people like that. One of these days, 'the law' will recognize this stuff and do something about it because having them sit in jail, feed them, educate them, entertain them, etc..at the taxpayers expense will soon have to stop.

NOVAwhiteTypeS

once u try to steal something all your fucken rights should be revoked after that . your INTENTIONALLY breaking the law for personal gain.

ItalianStallion

ok, maybe he shouldnt have shot him to death. a solid ass kicking was in order though.

and as far as how we pamper criminals. i could care less if we put them in a 6 foot square box and made them eat whatever insects came in to eat their shit. that would make you think twice about stealing that guys car, especially if youre a 15 year old fuck up like this ass clown.

there should be a law that is the exception to most rules. it could be called the "Darwin's Theory" law. this is, if the offender does something stupid, then no one is responsible for the consequences but the offender alone. so then cases like the burglar who fell thru a window and got stabbed by a kitchen knife and sues the home owner, would be thrown out and we wouldnt have this common sense problem.

darrinb

shit, i'd kill a mother fucker fuckin w/ my car if i only had to do 2 years like this guy, 2 years aint shit

rise

are you speaking from experience?

asloudasitgets

you fuck with my shit , i reserve the right to fuck you up.

darrinb

yea

oonowindoo

whateverz... just dont let me find out who stole my cl.. or else i am still gonna shoot their ass and make sure THEY ARE DEAD!!!my cl = my gf.. would u shoot his ass if he wanna rape ur gf? FUCK YEAH I WOULD

AK_MOBBER

I would kill the fucker too... Literally.

Those 2 years would be worth it to kill a fucker that messes with your ride.

Theres three things that are sacred to a man:
1. His home
2. His car
3. His family

Fuck with any of the above three and you deserve nothing but an end to your pathetic existance.

Of course if your underage you should not die... but you deserve a mean suckerpunch to the face.

CCType-S

agree

bryanz3.0cl

Im real sure you know from experience...you and your brand new CLS that your parents bought for you.

dbox

2 years of my life isn't worth any fucking car.

as long as the dude is running, and out of my house...i ain't shooting shit! an 85 pontiac??? this dude just wanted to blast somebody.

i have spent about 8 months of my life in jail and let me tell you, 2 years IS A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG FUCKING TIME.

minutes are hours and hours are days...

take my fucking car, take what ever the fuck you want, but break in my house, i'll shoot you ass. fuck with my babies, i'll shoot your ass. steal my car, i let the cops worry about you.

Gilgamesh

VTECPOWER

aren't babies= money, car and women?

CBR1100XX

Here is the deal guys. the car was an 85 which means no theft insurance. that is why the chase happened. Otherwise the guy would have been ass out. I say get your story straight. it goes like this. He had his hand in his pocket, and was taking it out. I saw light reflecyt off of something metalic. I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE, over and over again. and make sure you shoot to kill. They will tell you in the concealed class, not to injure, but to kill. I think if some ass decides to mess with my shit, i wouldn't think twice about fragging his ass.