italiaCLs

Hey guys,

I am in the process that I am in the process of commencing. I am installing a methanol kit on the CL that will allow me to run a lot more boost by chemically inter-cooling the charge of air that comes from the blower. I am going with a stage 2 progressive kit from
Alkycontrol.com. It is a awesome way to stop knocking in the engine and to be able to run a lot more boost. The reservoir will be located in the trunk and it will be 8 quarts. I will also have a PSI regulator installed in the kit. It will also be electronically progressive so that injects a certain amount of methanol at a certain PSI of boost. It will be set to go on at 2 PSI. I suspect it will all be done within 2 weeks. A local shop is Palm Beach is doing the install for me. I’m hoping to get at least 5 more PSI of boost from this kit and an additional 50 WHP. I will keep you posted with the results, and the new DYNO when it is all said and done. More to come…..

italiaCLs

messed up in the begining there. am in the process that I am in the process of commencing, what the hell am i talking about lol.

mrsteve

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First.... You aren't going to get 5+psi for 2 reasons.... 1) even with methanol you won't be able to run that much without either frying a piston ring or cracking the block and 2) you are already running 6-7psi. The blower is only capable at it's absolute maximum to reach close to 10psi on our cars.

Second... At any increase in boost over the HBP you'll need an e-manage to increase pulse width and a new washer set to re-cal the FPR which may be hard to come by now that Comptech is quasi-out of business.

Third.... Save some money and skip the progressive system. I did a lot of research into this when I was boosted and we don't run nearly enough boost to require a progressive system. A progressive system would only benefit cars running a ton of boost. Stick with a quality pump (150psi) and a minimalistic system.

With just adding meth/water injection you should pick up 15-20whp based on the drop in IAT which will subsequently reduce timing retard.

cltypeSLOW

damn steve. you are like wikipedia for our cars

CleanCL

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i follow the 3G TL guys too, and one guy over there experimented with a water/meth injection kit, he did before/after dynos and it did nothing. all it did was keep temps down.

mrsteve

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There's a lot to learn here

mrsteve

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On a boosted car?

Is their IAT sensor in the same location as ours?

That should help reduce timing retard.

Do you have a link?

CleanCL

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boosted for sure. he was actually spraying nitrous too.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136752

you'll have to search a bit for his dynos, but it really didn't show up much. i spoke with him personally at a meet. he has since gotten rid of the TL and moved on to something with a bit more power.

italiaCLs

agreed. I am only running 4 lbs now so by doing this setup then I will still be safe with the additional 5 PSI. I have the max boost pulley already from pulleyboys.com. also I have the uni-ship that will do the trick for the timing and A/F ratio. The shop i am going to has much experience in this and said it will work.

CleanCL

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your sig says H/B pulley, which means you should be running 6-7lb like steve said.

mrsteve

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UniChip doesn't control injector pulse width! Why are you even bothering with the UniChip on your boosted car?

In order to pick up power with the UniChip on a boosted car you need to lower the MAP signal to lean out the mixture. In order to do that you need to rely on extremely high fuel pressure to be rich enough in order to see the gains created by lowering the MAP voltage. Excessive fuel pressure = reduced reliability!

The car is already very sensitive to the ambient atmosphere. Your car will be tuned in the summer. But when winter comes (even for you in Florida) you are going to be running lean. We've been there, done that. You'll have no way to adjust the tune without paying a shop to re-tune the car again.

The FPR supplied isn't a piece of shit, but it also is one of the weakest links in the S/C kit. If it starts to fail (which it will do much faster since you've jacked up the static pressure so high with the UniChip) and your MAP voltage has been reduced you are going to go even more lean and earlier in the powerband.

In order to run 9psi using the UniChip you would need to jack the fuel pressure so high and adjust the MAP voltage to such a dangerous level I don't even know if the fuel system could handle it without some sort of increase in pulse width which the UniChip is not capable of.

Take that UniChip off your car and throw it away!

CleanCL

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what about utilizing the missing link, it was used in the turbo kits, but i don't think comptech used it:


it blocks boost from the MAP sensor but does not bleed boost.

mrsteve

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Blocking boost from the MAP sensor is the easy part. A simple voltage clamp is all that's required.

He's not going to have enough control over fuel to support his specified boost level.

He can either follow the advice found throughout the forum or he'll post a thread in a few months about how he needs a new motor. The tools chosen don't meet his needs.

I'm not even sure if methanol injection and tuning is sufficient for higher than HBP boost levels.

CleanCL

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time to install another injector.

mrsteve

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No.

How would you control it? The ECU only sees 6 injectors. UniChip doesn't have any control over the injectors.

The easiest solution is to scrap the UniChip and get an e-manage so you have control over your injectors. With the e-manage you don't need a 7th injector even at 9psi. But I'm not sure if methanol is going to cool the charge temp enough to reduce knock at 9psi. It might but you'll need to pull a lot of timing


I would install S2k injectors before I added a 7th injector.

italiaCLs

when i had it dynod it maxed out at 4.5 lbs of boost. there was a boost meter that read it directly

mrsteve

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Well then I'm not sure you are running the HBP

italiaCLs

it makes me wonder why the guys at japtrix wouold even consider doing this if it is all wrong? shouldnt they know better? im going to show them this link and see what he says about all this,,, not saying your wrong at all but i want to see his reaction to what you said. hopefully he will agree and give me what I need to do it right.

mrsteve

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By all means go ahead.

The Unichip just isn't the right tool for our boosted cars.

It only has an influence on MAP signal, fuel trim, and ignition timing. The e-manage has the ability to control pulse width and the ability to run larger injectors. Which is really what you'll need.

The injectors are already squirting 100psi with the high boost pulley. Adding another 4-5psi on top of that without an increase in pulse width just isn't going to perform the way you want it to.

italiaCLs

so to make the system work, I need larger injectors, alkyconntrol, e-managment, and of course the max boost pulley....correct?

mrsteve

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In order to achieve 8-10psi I think you'll need and aftercooler and e-manage.

You can install methanol injector without either of the two. It's bumping your boost up that's requiring everything else.

italiaCLs

(JapTrix)
Hey guys.. just a few things i wanted to point out...... The Methanol injection will be utilizing 100% meth. This will be the supplemental fuel necessary to achieve the desired power.

The methanol will do 2 things in this case. it will provide Intake charge cooling as well as provide fuel enrichment/detenation deterent for higher boost. this is why the kit must be Progressive... the system will add fuel according to its dedicated MAP and ramp with boost. this is in conjunction with the adjustable gain and flow.....and gives a truly seemless application.....the timing will be controlled through the uni-chip and with the optional "boost module" it will see accurate mapping through pressure.

with these items in place the setup has all the ingredients needed to support the higher boost.....the key to it all working is running 100%methanol.....NO WATER.

-Jack(JapTrix)

mrsteve

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I'd hate to see what happens when you run out of meth...

The UniChip is still the wrong tool for the job. Playing with the MAP signal and fuel pressure is a cheap and unstable solution.

Good luck with your install.


edit... and i misunderstood "progressive" to mean multi-stage. If the progression of injection is linear that's going to help some.

I'd like to see your results once you're finished.

fuzzy02CLS

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JapTrix knows their stuff on boosted cars, but have had little experience on Acura CL's. They will have to test things & find out what will work on the CL as opposed to what works on G35's or 4 banger turbo's running 20psi.

They will learn.

All Mine

I just hope in their learning process, they won't fry his motor.

Good luck with all this. I can't wait to see the results.

italiaCLs

yeah i trust them, as fuzzy said, they really know their stuff.... I will let all you guys know how it turns out..... and yes i have to keep some meth on me at all times. I am also going to get the 8 qt resevior so it will have a lot of meth to put in.

italiaCLs

im having a hard time finding the max boost pulley... I already have the HB pulley from comptech... so in order to achieve the 10 PSI max I would nead a 3.3" SC shaft pulley... where do i get one... I already looked at pulleyboys and they have a modular and a keyed pulley.. is is any of those? here is the link:

http://pulleyboys.com/rsxc.html

chirik

Try PM 02AV6. I know he doesn't have time to visit either of the board but heard that he'll be selling or might have already sold MAX pulley and Hope IC kit w/e-manage then supercharger kit and eventually the car. Whew

italiaCLs

right on buddy thanks.

All Mine

italiaCLs

still trying to find the pulley.. anyone else know where I can get it!

02AV6

Clear your PM box

italiaCLs

i shall.. im in texas now on a road trip to Vegas...... havent checked my PM box in a few days

italiaCLs

i got the pulley from 021v6. so the install will comence! Very nice!

italiaCLs

Update!!!!

In addition to the Alkycontrol I will be installing the UR SSc pulley set as well as the Eibach sways. I also just re-wrapped the steering wheel with some nicer leather. The car is looking sweet. I will post pics of everything when it is finished. (hopefully soon)!!

foreveraflboy

hopefully soon is right......I am really interested to see how this works.

Joe5.0

Good luck, my Cobra gained ~ 40whp on a Mustang Dyno with a Stage 1 Snow Meth kit.

I am running 11-12psi through a centrifugal SC, if that makes a diff. Just make sure you dont run out, it wont be pretty. Check often for leaks too, I had a problem with the case of the pump cracking if you tighten the brass fittings too much.

Allout

Spraying nitrous also has the effect of lowering intake temps too. Wonder if that lessened the effect of the methanol injection?

italiaCLs

I will deffinetly have to watch for that otherwise ill be detenating like a biatch. The kit I am istalling has the resevior in the trunk. this will help with leaking casued by heat cracking ETC... Last time I dynoed I was at 291 WHP. with the 9.5 lbs pulley I will probably see at least 320 WHP... hopefulley more I will keep you all posted.

Nitin

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Bringing this old thread back from the dead because I was now wondering the exact same thing about the max boost pulley. Will the keyed pulley from pulleyboys.com work on a supercharger for an 01 CL Type S? And what size is the stock Comptech pulley? Anyone know?