6spd cls vs. g35cpe 6spd
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
220whp is just about exactly 260hp (~15% driveline loss), so if the G35 dyno's at 225-230rwhp it is underrated at 260hp at the crank. It is pretty commonly thought that the G35 sedan makes the same hp as the coupe. Nissan is the one fudging numbers (which they do an absolute TON), not Honda. ![Wink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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TQ > MPG
You wont get any argument from me that the VQ35 in the G35's make more power than the J32. They have consistently dyno'd 5-10whp more, dependant on tranny. Dont forget that the G35 is also slightly lighter (50-100lbs) and will definitely have a better 60' time due to much better tires and the benefit of rwd.
Lets not forget the 30-40lb ft of tq advantage. :o I'd trade my J32 for a VQ35 anyday of the week.
Lets not forget the 30-40lb ft of tq advantage. :o I'd trade my J32 for a VQ35 anyday of the week.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
I see that your car dynoed at 218hp. Isn't that low??? Most G35 sedans have hit around 225-230hp. Remember, both are 260hp. Maybe Acura is lying about their numbers :sqnteek:
The G35 C has 280 and not 260 HP. The sedan has 260, but Iwould say it's a drivers race.
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
For a bone stock CL-S6 to run LOW 14's it gonna need at least a 2.10 60', awesome weather, and probably 99mph traps. I was able to get mine down to consistent 14.5-14.6 @ 97'ish mph with low 2.3 60's. Anyone who has driven on the stock tires in the 6 speed knows how difficult it is to launch cleanly and aggressively.
Maybe with some sticky ass tires, a well prepped track, great weather, and a expert driver a stock CL-S6 could hit 14.1-14.2, but thats not being 100% realistic.
Maybe with some sticky ass tires, a well prepped track, great weather, and a expert driver a stock CL-S6 could hit 14.1-14.2, but thats not being 100% realistic.
i ran a 14.3 with just aem cai.. can my 60' was a 2.2 , on stock tires too. it was a good launch.
i also ran a 14.4 with the same setup 60' 2.2 with an ok launch. but i was hitting 14.4 consistantly only hit the 14.3 one time.
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Originally Posted by dfv3.2CL-S
The G35 C has 280 and not 260 HP. The sedan has 260, but Iwould say it's a drivers race.
BTW, the G manual is simply faster than the CLS manual. Everything is a drivers race but objectively talking about just the cars, the CLS just isn't as fast.
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Originally Posted by dfv3.2CL-S
The G35 C has 280 and not 260 HP. The sedan has 260, but Iwould say it's a drivers race.
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Originally Posted by kevin79925
i ran a 14.3 with just aem cai.. can my 60' was a 2.2 , on stock tires too. it was a good launch.
i also ran a 14.4 with the same setup 60' 2.2 with an ok launch. but i was hitting 14.4 consistantly only hit the 14.3 one time.
i also ran a 14.4 with the same setup 60' 2.2 with an ok launch. but i was hitting 14.4 consistantly only hit the 14.3 one time.
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Originally Posted by SilverBullet
Good times, but I beat them with my bone stock G35 Sedan 6mt.
im not doubting ya.. i get beat by g35 coupe sometimes and sometimes i win.. depends on if i get a good launch or if the gets a good launch.. and know the sedan owners are dynoing the same as the coupe so i think its just a drivers race...
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i believe its time to end this damn dispute..yes your g35 coupes have more horsepower, but believe it or not you can lose to a cl-s 6 spd despite your advantages...regardless of what any g35 owner says it probably is a drivers race..you win some you lose some..in the end theyre both very good cars in their class and nobodys complaining
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Originally Posted by SilverBullet
Good times, but I beat them with my bone stock G35 Sedan 6mt.
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Didn't you beat just about everything with your CL?? What was it prior to that too??
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Originally Posted by scalbert
Didn't you beat just about everything with your CL?? What was it prior to that too??
Also, my CL-S auto ran 14.4 at 99.8 mph, so it was very fast once rolling.
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Originally Posted by SilverBullet
Maybe I should have mentioned I have ran faster times in my 6MT at the track than the CL-S 6mt did.
Also, my CL-S auto ran 14.4 at 99.8 mph, so it was very fast once rolling.
Also, my CL-S auto ran 14.4 at 99.8 mph, so it was very fast once rolling.
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Originally Posted by SilverBullet
Good times, but I beat them with my bone stock G35 Sedan 6mt.
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my cuz owns a g35c6mt and i gotta say its faster then my 01cl-sa, we raced on the highway once and it has more tq then the cl-s other then that i think they are beatable with a few mods.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
I know the sedan has 260, but it still dynos at 225-230. Don't believe me, go check G35driver.com. many stock dynos for your enjoyment. The coupe probably doesn't dyno much higher. The cars "feel" the same to me (and I should know since I own the coupe and my friend has the sedan).
BTW, the G manual is simply faster than the CLS manual. Everything is a drivers race but objectively talking about just the cars, the CLS just isn't as fast.
BTW, the G manual is simply faster than the CLS manual. Everything is a drivers race but objectively talking about just the cars, the CLS just isn't as fast.
FWD autos are less efficient than RWD auto at maximizing power to the wheels . . hence the greater loss of power, and of course even more so than manuals.
And, yes . . technically the G35C 6spd is faster than a CLS 6spd, but as you say . . . anything can happen.
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Originally Posted by RUF87
FWIW:
FWD autos are less efficient than RWD auto at maximizing power to the wheels . . hence the greater loss of power, and of course even more so than manuals.
And, yes . . technically the G35C 6spd is faster than a CLS 6spd, but as you say . . . anything can happen.
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FWD autos are less efficient than RWD auto at maximizing power to the wheels . . hence the greater loss of power, and of course even more so than manuals.
And, yes . . technically the G35C 6spd is faster than a CLS 6spd, but as you say . . . anything can happen.
Ruf
Sorry man, but you have that mixed up. RWD has MORE powertrain loss to the wheels because the driveshaft is longer. FWD has less loss to the wheels. The advantage of RWD is that the weight transfer at launch allows for more favorable traction therefore, RWD gets better 1/4 times. Also, RWD trannies are a LOT stronger than FWD trannies especially in auto form. Everything crammed in the front must be miniaturized and becomes more breakable. The G35 auto has reliably handled over 350hp so far in many turbo and s/c vehicles.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
Sorry man, but you have that mixed up. RWD has MORE powertrain loss to the wheels because the driveshaft is longer. FWD has less loss to the wheels. The advantage of RWD is that the weight transfer at launch allows for more favorable traction therefore, RWD gets better 1/4 times. Also, RWD trannies are a LOT stronger than FWD trannies especially in auto form. Everything crammed in the front must be miniaturized and becomes more breakable. The G35 auto has reliably handled over 350hp so far in many turbo and s/c vehicles.
Where are the resident experts on this sort of discussion . . . the ones I would believe. EricL, Scalbert . . . comments?
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I'm in no way an expert but I will add this. It all depends on the design.
I have seen some RWD designs, BMW in particular, which have very efficient drivetrains losing less power than many FWD vehicles. In addition, our 6-Speed is a bit high for FWD vehicles dropping nearly 17%.
But I have also seen the opposite end of the spectrum for both.
If I were to make a general guess when lumping all together I would say that most FWD manuals tend to lose less than RWD manuals. But FWD automatics tend to lose more power than RWD automatics.
Hows that for making this less clear.
I have seen some RWD designs, BMW in particular, which have very efficient drivetrains losing less power than many FWD vehicles. In addition, our 6-Speed is a bit high for FWD vehicles dropping nearly 17%.
But I have also seen the opposite end of the spectrum for both.
If I were to make a general guess when lumping all together I would say that most FWD manuals tend to lose less than RWD manuals. But FWD automatics tend to lose more power than RWD automatics.
Hows that for making this less clear.
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I'm in no way an expert but I will add this. It all depends on the design.
I have seen some RWD designs, BMW in particular, which have very efficient drivetrains losing less power than many FWD vehicles. In addition, our 6-Speed is a bit high for FWD vehicles dropping nearly 17%.
But I have also seen the opposite end of the spectrum for both.
If I were to make a general guess when lumping all together I would say that most FWD manuals tend to lose less than RWD manuals. But FWD automatics tend to lose more power than RWD automatics.
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I have seen some RWD designs, BMW in particular, which have very efficient drivetrains losing less power than many FWD vehicles. In addition, our 6-Speed is a bit high for FWD vehicles dropping nearly 17%.
But I have also seen the opposite end of the spectrum for both.
If I were to make a general guess when lumping all together I would say that most FWD manuals tend to lose less than RWD manuals. But FWD automatics tend to lose more power than RWD automatics.
Hows that for making this less clear.
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Originally Posted by scalbert
Of course, every vehicle you drive is special.
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
For a bone stock CL-S6 to run LOW 14's it gonna need at least a 2.10 60', awesome weather, and probably 99mph traps. I was able to get mine down to consistent 14.5-14.6 @ 97'ish mph with low 2.3 60's. Anyone who has driven on the stock tires in the 6 speed knows how difficult it is to launch cleanly and aggressively.
Maybe with some sticky ass tires, a well prepped track, great weather, and a expert driver a stock CL-S6 could hit 14.1-14.2, but thats not being 100% realistic.
Maybe with some sticky ass tires, a well prepped track, great weather, and a expert driver a stock CL-S6 could hit 14.1-14.2, but thats not being 100% realistic.
couldn't be more on...
I have only been to the track once, and I couldn't hook up all day, and it only got worse the more I went
my times were like 14.5, 14.44, then higher up to 14.9 on my last run
I spun 1st every time, 2nd every time, 3rd once, and on my next to last run I started to get a little sideways... tires are the :killer: on the 6spd, I would love to go back to the track stock with just tires and see what I could lay down...
and if my friend hurries up and gets his g coupe 6spd I will video... after I drag his unbroken in VQ to the track
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Originally Posted by SilverBullet
Good times, but I beat them with my bone stock G35 Sedan 6mt.
Hey Russ....I beat your G35 E.T.s with my Z's bish....look who's better now.
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Hey look everyone....Russ is still around. I haven't seen this scrot in a year or two....I thought he got laughed off here a long time ago.
Hey Russ....I beat your G35 E.T.s with my Z's bish....look who's better now.![Lame](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/lame.gif)
Hey Russ....I beat your G35 E.T.s with my Z's bish....look who's better now.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
13.68@103mph 2.09 60' BONE STOCK That's def a factory freak. The fastest time I've seen at the track for a stock Z was 13.8 @ 101mph. Very Nice!!
The wierd thing is I don't think my car is a factory freak at all. I dyno'd right around what other Z's dyno. I've run two Z's on the street, one stock and we were dead even (before my intake...like it makes a difference anyway) and one with cat-back exhaust...and he pulled me very slowly.
I think any healthy Z is capable of 102-103traps...you just need the right conditions and a decent driver.
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Originally Posted by Zapata
Wha? 3 cars? Have you ever gone to the track? 3 cars is a huge amount of time. It's a drivers race.
3 cars is nothing. Let's assume you trap at 100 mph. So at the high end,
you're going 100mph * 1/60 hours per minute * 1/60 minutes per second * 5280 feet per mile = 146.7 feet per second. Assuming a car is about 10 feet long, then for every tenth of a second you're going 14.7-ish feet, so roughly .25 seconds time difference. That's really not that much. If you beat a car by half a second, you'll be MANY car lengths ahead (well, roughly 6 or so, but probably more because your trap speed will be even higher)
Now given that you're probably pulling only at 90mph or so the last second or so of the quarter mile, you can substitute 90mph for that equation and still only get about .3 or so seconds difference...
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