ferizzo

You are too funny! If anything an automatic is going to be more consistent than a stick. Even a good driver can make a mistake in a stick. In the real world anything is possible.

Dem, If it was auto and they had one passenger then your story makes sense and I believe you. I remember when the Gs first starting going to the track and they were not doing any better than the TLS/CLSs stock for stock. Now the 6-speeds are much faster no doubt. Bottom line is that a modded CLS beat a stock G35 sedan...wtf is so hard to believe about that?

ferizzo

Thats bullshit! The six-speed sedan is a low 14 second car (before you get your panties in a bunch I am agreeing with you here and believe your times) and the auto is not! At best its a mid-14 car in ideal conditions. Whoever the some guy is, he is not stock, as you noted.

Amoeba

Nothing is hard to believe about that, but he said he "Believed" that the G was a stick, theres no need to say that as he should no there was no way in hell the G was stick and he was crushing him by 5 cars, thats what pissed me off...but im overreacting.

ferizzo

Renegade, I think these G/Z vs TLS/CLS threads bring out the worst in all of us!

EZZ

Actually, at best the g35 is a low 14 second car. Several people have posted slips at 14.2 with stock autos (but they are rare). Basically, I/H/E CLS Auto = Auto G35.

Plus its entirely believable to beat a 6-speed G35 with auto CLS. All the ClS has to do is get the jump and the 6-speed would have to downshift. That may give it enough time to start pulling and the G can only watch the car go bye bye.

Amoeba

WTF I/H/E=Auto G35???? Um no, I raced my friend with a G35 when we were both stock and 0-70 it was a tie, and all the other times it just depended on the jump.

EZZ

You are saying that a STOCK CLS = a mid to low 14 second car. I thought the CLS auto was a high 14 second car at best stock

Amoeba

No but neither is an automatic G35 sedan stock. Both are high 14's stock.

EZZ

I beg to differ. Go to G35driver.com and MANY have hit under 14.5 stock. The average G35 auto sedan is 14.4 to 14.6. The Average 6-speed driver is around 14.3. A good auto driver has gotten 14.2 in the coupe and 14.3 in a sedan. A good 6-speed driver has gotten 13.9X stock (coupe) and several have hit 14.0 stock in auto. All had timeslips.

Amoeba

Well I dont know what to tell you, I still think thats a select few, but I do know the G is a fast car that should not be underrated by any means...but a Cl with I/H/E auto, will fuck up a G35 stock sedan auto any day.

EZZ

Well, we agree to disagree then. In my experience, G35 sedan auto = I/H/E CLS auto.

Amoeba

alright we will leave this alone, see what others have to say.

G_Killer

Umm I did just say that. lol

G_Killer

The Auto G35 is a mid 14 sec car, the auto cl-s is usually a low 15 sec car but on prime conditions can me a high 14 sec car. I had a CL-S.

ferizzo

No, what renegade was saying is that a stock g35s auto isn't either. By the way, this is a post from the same guy that ran the 14.3/14.4 I believe:

"To what I can tell the VQ doesn't seem to have a issue at the track if its cold or hot. It actually seems to run better when its hot. The J32 however ran much better when it was cold.

I let the car cool down for a good 45 min with the hood open. I got a worse time. So I went again 2 more times in a row, my 3rd one was one of my best.

My CL-S ran 14.42 at 99.8 mph when it was cold."

Here is a modded G35s auto and his times:

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...e#Post67745978

Here is a 6-speed sedan with a low 14:

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...e#Post67729357

Here are some more stats taken by a freshalloy member:

Sedan 5AT 14.90
Sedan 5AT 14.68 97.08
Sedan 5AT 14.70 95.20
Sedan 5AT 14.61
Sedan G35X 5AT 14.83 93.35

show me more than one stock auto (which you have yet to do) doing better than a 14.5

Amoeba

That first modded G35 link, is the guy I raced just recently, he is The Punisher on the board, and I know him personally. I raced him stock 0-70 and it was a TIE! We raced other times and the best he ever did was have 1/2-1 car on me, because of jumps.

ferizzo

most stock CLSs are high-14s in decent conditions. The auto G35s is at best a mid-14 but really a high-14 car also. Don't get me wrong, I think stock for stock they are close with the G35s probably winning 6/10 or even 7/10, but a h/i/e CLS will beat a stock g35s. Most CLSs with that setup are mid to low 14s. Even my sorry ass got a 14.6 in a TLS with headers and intake and I suck at launching (2.35+ 60 foots). meanwhile a few members have hit 14.2-14.4s in their CLSs.

ferizzo

haha, that guy cracks me up! are you stock or headers/intake?

Amoeba

ferizzo, that first link is the infamous 03CLSPunisher on this board. When we first got our cars, we raced each other doing rolls and from stops. Every race we had was very very close with maybe him having a slight edge at the end, but pretty much dead even. So he goes ahead and gets true borla exhaust and stillen intake, giving good wheel horsepower to the g35 sedan. I put in the aem intake. We went at it again, and in all races he only had about 1 1/2 -2 1/2 cars on me, from a first gear roll it was even closer probably maybe one car at higher speeds--85 or more. And hes the run who ran a 14.61.

EZZ

Here is a guy that ran 14.33.
http://g35driver.com/forums/showflat...view=&sb=&vc=1

Here is another guy that ran around 14.4.
http://g35driver.com/forums/showthre...ts&Main=136596

Both were stock autos.

Go to G35driver.com and look up 1/4 mile. You will see many that have attained around 14.5. Not that big a deal.

G_Killer

Mod for mod the g35 is faster.
Stock vs stock the G35 auto is faster
Stock vs stock 6mt g35 vs 6mt cl-s driver race.

The post you pulled the 14.42 at 99.8 mph was my car and my post.

Also a auto G35 with the following mods :

2003.5 DP 5AT Sedan (E-thing but Nav)
14.2 @ 97.18
Z-Tube
K&N Drop In & Airbox Mod
10 Wire Hyper-Ground
Crawford Plenum (V4)
UR Crank Pulley

And if you drop a full exhaust system on it, its easily a 13 sec car.

A stock Auto is around 14.5, not better. It would be hard pressed to do better than a 14.5 on a good day. But its still faster than a stock Auto CL-S which rarely breaks 15s.

G_Killer

I agree. Like I said, I was the one that ran 14.42 at 99.8 mph in my CL-S which only had OBX Headers and HKS mufflers.

Amoeba

You really are pissing the fuck out of me, a stock CLS doesnt barely break 15's, wtf are you talking about. You really are a dumbass.

G_Killer

Umm yes it does. The majority of owners on here could not break out of the 15s stock in a CL-S. Mine stock only ran 15.2. Everytime I tried it would not do it.

Amoeba

Only a few cant and that is because they dont know how to launch, in decent weather a 14.9 is definitely possible in almost all acura-cls built

Dem1K

iTrader: (1)

ok, so....wtf happend to my thread lol

Now, you're saying that an auto cl-s with I/H/E is = a G35 Auto, correct? Yet in my race, I am an auto CL-S with I/H, no exhaust, and I kicked homeboys ass. He didn't fuck up the launch, didn't misshift or anything for that matter. He simply floored it as did I, and I beat him by a pretty fair margin. So how can you say they're dead even, even with the exhaust?

Also, the norm for CL-S auto drivers on here run consisten high 14's. Fuck that low 15 bullshit. I've seen MAYBE 3 members on here complaining that they ran in the 15's. I don't take that bullshit. Sure, maybe you hit 15's, but thats You, and YOUR car. Anyways, from my observations, I think that an auto cl-s should be even with a stock g35c 6mt. Who knows . Nice to see people chattin on my thread though

EZZ

A street race doesn't prove anything IMO. I could get whooped by a CL-P any given day if he got the jump on me. I'm saying the G auto runs 14.5. MOST I/H/E CLS autos run around 14.5. Seem the same to me

Dem1K

iTrader: (1)

dood, neither of us got the jump on one another, it was dead even for the first second or 2

plus, most I/H auto cl's Ive seen are between 14.3-14.5

robeaneee

sigh..just liek you said..street races don't prove shit...so what's the point about you coming in this thread bitching about how g's run this and that on the 1/4? john pwned the G in a STREET RACE..and just like you said..anything can happen...and just like some stock g's can run relatively low times, there are some cls's on our board that have run very impressive times stock..i remember seeing a 14.5-14.6 stock run..and at the very best ive seen a 14.1-14.2 with H/E..with that small margin of a difference in times..i wouldn't be surprised if i whipped a g35's ass either..yeah sure maybe at the track they will run better times..but in an actual street race..who gives a fuck..it's not like you're going to yell "EY FOO I RAN A 14.2 AT THE TRACK" even though you lost..if you do..ur an idiot

and auto cls-s usually cant break 15's? you must have had your car filled with fat people if you can't break 15s...the avg 1/4 auto time on this board is 14.6-14.7...man even a stock 6mt got a 13.9 before..maybe you bought a dud

EZZ

Take a chill pill dude. I never claimed bull$hit on the race. I was objectively looking at both cars in terms of 1/4 times. I never hated on the CLS. READ my posts. I claimed most CLS w/I/H/E exhausts run around 14.5...which is about what a stock G35 runs. So next time you fucking tell me I'm bitching about something I ain't read my fucking post.

robeaneee

ok anyway let's move on...i think we've all made our point (despite this subject being argued to death hundreds of times already)

mattg

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that thing is cool

EZZ

Agreed. Its completely believable that the CLS with I/H/E on average is faster than a stock G35 auto. I honestly thought they were about the same. As you said before, street races prove nothing. I've been taken out by many cars in my G coupe because they got the jump or I hesitated and then started the race (by then it was too late).

A +-0.3 seconds between cars in a street race depends on the driver (IMO).

ferizzo

I think you and I agree although a stock CLS is a high-14 second car. I think you and I just suck at teh launch (I got a 15.2 in my stock TLS in 80 degree weather on a humid day). Most stock times I've seen are in the 14.7-14.9 range with a few higher and a few lower (I think I've seen two in the 14.6 range).

btw, is this Silverbullet???

G_Killer

Sorry but not just a few. I have been here for a few years, and almost everyone who was stock did not break out of 15.0. So stop grabbing #s out of your butt.

ferizzo

Its funny because the first link doesn't say if the car was stock and in the second link some other guy in an auto also says he ran a 15.2.

G_Killer

My car and I was the fastest car with just headers and hks mufflers. Sure buddy. Sorry but I read back then and when I posted my 15.2~ they told me that was normal.

The Auto sedan or coupe will never see 15s unless he is a granny driver.

G_Killer

Okay, show us a few. Not just one, but a few instances with those mods. We showed you stock auto g35 running 14.3-14.5. Until then shut up.

G_Killer

Hmm I just did a search, seems the average is a 14.9-15.2

G_Killer

I have seen some in teh high 14s. But the norm on this site is low 15s. I just did a search for stock times and most are 15.1-15.2. Some even as bad as 15.5.