3.5L Conversion with 0.25OS 05RL Pistons Finally Complete

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-29-2005, 03:40 AM
  #1  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Talking 3.5L Conversion with 0.25OS 05RL Pistons Finally Complete

Alright, just got the car back tonight and it has way more HP and TQ. The mechanic opened it up in front of the shop and lit the tires up (225/45/17 Goodyear eagle F1 GS-D3). Left behind a sweet trail of rubber. I think the tires were a little harder than normal being that it was sitting for well over a month but still very impressed. Not to mention they installed my CT headers and UR underdrive crank pulley at the same time.

Car is fun and I cannot wait to completely stomp on it. Got over 700 more miles to go till complete break in

Next up is to send my torque converter over to the shop to have it rebuilt and custom stall installed. I hope that goes well. I'll send an update and track times after I have a chance to break it in.

If anybody is looking to do this conversion, PM me and I can send you info for every part, every complication, time frames for each section of build and any pricing info that you will need.

Got the green light from the shop for a small shot of nitrous after break in so if the stall goes well, it should be quite a beast.
Old 10-29-2005, 03:51 AM
  #2  
Instructor
iTrader: (1)
 
OneFlyCL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Ta Co Ma
Age: 38
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
WoW..............congrats on the upgrade , i would do it but i cant even afford gas. Cant wait to see the results man. good luck
Old 10-29-2005, 08:20 AM
  #3  
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (1)
 
rondog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: yonkers, NY
Age: 45
Posts: 8,320
Received 129 Likes on 101 Posts
hope your tranny is next in line for an upgrade, that is the only thing stopping me from upgrading past headers and intake.
Old 10-29-2005, 09:26 AM
  #4  
Senior Moderator
 
typeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Port Richey, FL
Age: 55
Posts: 7,588
Received 48 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by rondog
hope your tranny is next in line for an upgrade, that is the only thing stopping me from upgrading past headers and intake.
im going on 2 years with this stock trannny
Old 10-29-2005, 10:12 AM
  #5  
Suzuka Master
 
Smitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Age: 48
Posts: 9,940
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Old 10-29-2005, 10:31 AM
  #6  
o1s
Drifting
 
o1s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Tallahassee Fl.
Age: 43
Posts: 3,186
Received 7 Likes on 3 Posts
how much of a power difference is this swap?
Old 10-29-2005, 10:42 AM
  #7  
Beware of leakage
 
Chopsie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Shreveport, Louisiana, just east of nowhere
Age: 42
Posts: 19,790
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
schweet!!
Old 10-29-2005, 10:55 AM
  #8  
says "hello to my TLX".
 
Sun Diego CL-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Diego, Ca
Posts: 5,788
Received 17 Likes on 15 Posts
damn, all you need is for santa to bring you a CT supercharger kit!
Old 10-29-2005, 11:27 AM
  #9  
I Heart 6 Gears.
 
6peedSleepR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Jerzy.
Age: 38
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hey props 4 the conversion! and dude thats really cool of you to offer help to anyone that wants to do the conversion.
Old 10-29-2005, 11:36 AM
  #10  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JDMj20acL
Hey props 4 the conversion! and dude thats really cool of you to offer help to anyone that wants to do the conversion.
Not a problem, minor info and tips could save someone else weeks of time. Well, maybe less in most of your cases since you live closer to the parts on the mainland.
Old 10-29-2005, 11:42 AM
  #11  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by o1s
how much of a power difference is this swap?
Not too sure right now being that I'm still taking it easy, but my best guess for the 3.5 alone would be approx 50-75.
Old 10-29-2005, 11:46 AM
  #12  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The only strange thing I have noticed is that my temp gauge reads normal, but my engine bay is HOT! The front fenders are hot as if they were sitting out in the baking sun all day. Is this normal? I may just be noticing something normal, but I just don't remember it being this hot. Even my intake manifold which used to be touchable for more than a second (thermoblok spacers) now is too hot to leave my hand on it for more than a second.
Old 10-29-2005, 12:12 PM
  #13  
I'm Cool
 
Bobbydoedoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Diamond Bar, CA
Age: 39
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rtatsutani
The only strange thing I have noticed is that my temp gauge reads normal, but my engine bay is HOT! The front fenders are hot as if they were sitting out in the baking sun all day. Is this normal? I may just be noticing something normal, but I just don't remember it being this hot. Even my intake manifold which used to be touchable for more than a second (thermoblok spacers) now is too hot to leave my hand on it for more than a second.
my guess is that since you have swap out ur headers and the stock heatshield from the header for aftermarket headers without the heatshield, therefore sending out more heat from teh aftermarket headers, just my guess anyone wants to comment?
Old 10-29-2005, 12:15 PM
  #14  
says "hello to my TLX".
 
Sun Diego CL-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Diego, Ca
Posts: 5,788
Received 17 Likes on 15 Posts
i thought you needed a custom or CF hood after this conversion. did you get either?
Old 10-29-2005, 01:51 PM
  #15  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sun Diego CL-S
i thought you needed a custom or CF hood after this conversion. did you get either?
Hmm, why?
Old 10-29-2005, 01:57 PM
  #16  
318whp/289wtq @ 6psi
 
blk2001tlon19s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Accokeek, Maryland
Age: 44
Posts: 1,658
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Congrats man! Hope you enjoy! Get a dyno done and some vids once break in is complete!
Old 10-29-2005, 03:03 PM
  #17  
I'm a Vagiterian.
 
All Mine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Home of FreakNick.
Age: 39
Posts: 4,598
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Bad ass. How's the exhaust rumble? Is it throatier?
Old 10-29-2005, 03:20 PM
  #18  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by All Mine
Bad ass. How's the exhaust rumble? Is it throatier?
Yes it is, I don't know if it's b/c of the 3.5 conversion the headers or both, but it sounds a little more like a G35 when you get on the throttle.
Old 10-29-2005, 03:21 PM
  #19  
Senior Moderator
 
typeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Port Richey, FL
Age: 55
Posts: 7,588
Received 48 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by rtatsutani
Not too sure right now being that I'm still taking it easy, but my best guess for the 3.5 alone would be approx 50-75.
i wish
Old 10-29-2005, 04:42 PM
  #20  
I'm a Vagiterian.
 
All Mine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Home of FreakNick.
Age: 39
Posts: 4,598
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by typeR
i wish
I know you have a good bit of mileage on yours. How has your AT held up thus far?
Old 10-29-2005, 08:57 PM
  #21  
Senior Moderator
 
typeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Port Richey, FL
Age: 55
Posts: 7,588
Received 48 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by All Mine
I know you have a good bit of mileage on yours. How has your AT held up thus far?
going on two years of hard driving
Old 10-29-2005, 09:42 PM
  #22  
I now drive an accord....
 
spdy0001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Etters, PA
Age: 43
Posts: 4,800
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Sun Diego CL-S
i thought you needed a custom or CF hood after this conversion. did you get either?
Engine is still physically the same size........No need for a diffrent hood.

TypeR _ What do you estimate your HP gains are?
Old 10-30-2005, 12:13 AM
  #23  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by typeR
i wish
You don't think so? I just assumed so since my 75 shot of NOS would spin 1st gear straight through to 2nd and this did the same with the same tires so I gave the estimate of 50-75.

So typeR, what do you think the real numbers are? Don't dissapoint me All that work and money for only 30 or so horsies???
Old 10-30-2005, 12:17 AM
  #24  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by typeR
i wish
Hmm, isn't mine the only setup using the 0.25 over bore 05RL pistons giving me more compression and displacement therefore giving me more horsies than your normal conversion?
Old 10-30-2005, 07:51 AM
  #25  
Senior Moderator
 
typeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Port Richey, FL
Age: 55
Posts: 7,588
Received 48 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by spdy0001
Engine is still physically the same size........No need for a diffrent hood.

TypeR _ What do you estimate your HP gains are?
with just the 3.5 swap? 10 hp/20 lb ft
where i sit right now im about 270hp/240 lb ft a full bolt on auto could be 240/200
Old 10-30-2005, 10:40 AM
  #26  
Safety Car
 
allmotor_2000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: So Cal
Age: 49
Posts: 4,910
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
You guys are dreaming to think you get 50-75 hp from an additional 300cc without changing anything else?!? Keep in mind going from a bone-stock setup to a 3.5 with I/H/E might get you 50 - but most of that is the header! The 3.5 will give you more torque which translates to a more impressive 'butt-dyno' and help you down the 1/4 as well, but 50-75... not!

Besides that, good job on your car
Old 10-30-2005, 01:07 PM
  #27  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
You guys are dreaming to think you get 50-75 hp from an additional 300cc without changing anything else?!? Keep in mind going from a bone-stock setup to a 3.5 with I/H/E might get you 50 - but most of that is the header! The 3.5 will give you more torque which translates to a more impressive 'butt-dyno' and help you down the 1/4 as well, but 50-75... not!

Besides that, good job on your car
True, maybe it's the torque which is giving my butt dyno the inflated numbers but wouldn't an increase in compression with the 05RL pistons and OS by 0.25 over bore give me a decent amount more HP than your normal conversion? I assumed more than 15 just for that alone??? I could be wrong, but if so, please clafify.
Old 10-30-2005, 02:19 PM
  #28  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by typeR
with just the 3.5 swap? 10 hp/20 lb ft
where i sit right now im about 270hp/240 lb ft a full bolt on auto could be 240/200
Hmm? I'm confused. You're saying that you ran this time: "PB 1/4 13.306 @ 105.83" with only the regular bolt ons, unichip, P&P which could have lost you HP and a 3.5L conversion which supposedly only gave you 10HP? The numbers don't seem right to me??? That seems like a hella fast time.
Old 10-30-2005, 02:28 PM
  #29  
B A N N E D
 
ayougo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,890
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I can belive you gained quite alot of torque and horse. I bumped my compresion up in my 2.2 and went from 142.28 hp and 136.71 torque to nearly 190 hp and 176 tq !! i have other internal mod's too but with your setup, i can see 20-40 in terms of gain.
Old 10-30-2005, 08:06 PM
  #30  
Senior Moderator
 
typeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Port Richey, FL
Age: 55
Posts: 7,588
Received 48 Likes on 33 Posts
Originally Posted by rtatsutani
Hmm? I'm confused. You're saying that you ran this time: "PB 1/4 13.306 @ 105.83" with only the regular bolt ons, unichip, P&P which could have lost you HP and a 3.5L conversion which supposedly only gave you 10HP? The numbers don't seem right to me??? That seems like a hella fast time.
i guess you are confused..my quote says 3.5 alone is prolly 10hp/20 lbft...then go onto say ...where i sit now mod wise is 270 hp and 240 torque whereas a 3.2 with these same bolt ons would prolly be 240 hp 200 torque
Old 10-30-2005, 08:14 PM
  #31  
says "hello to my TLX".
 
Sun Diego CL-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Diego, Ca
Posts: 5,788
Received 17 Likes on 15 Posts
Originally Posted by rtatsutani
Hmm, why?
nevermind me. i was just under the impression that it was necessary to have a hood to allow clearance for the conversion which the stock hood otherwise wouldn't allow. it's just that i thought i read that a member i think was named AV6 had to switch from an OEM hood for his 3.5L conversion. and i am again assuming this has to be done to our CL since it is the cousin of the Accord V6 coupe.
Old 10-30-2005, 08:22 PM
  #32  
I now drive an accord....
 
spdy0001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Etters, PA
Age: 43
Posts: 4,800
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
The only mod that requires a custom hood would be direct port nitrous, which MTBIKR had, which is why he had a custom hood. AV6 may have had the direct port too, which is why he had a custom hood, but I don't remember
Old 10-30-2005, 08:27 PM
  #33  
Team Owner
iTrader: (1)
 
mrsteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Leesburg, Virginia
Age: 41
Posts: 36,474
Received 249 Likes on 175 Posts
Originally Posted by Sun Diego CL-S
nevermind me. i was just under the impression that it was necessary to have a hood to allow clearance for the conversion which the stock hood otherwise wouldn't allow. it's just that i thought i read that a member i think was named AV6 had to switch from an OEM hood for his 3.5L conversion. and i am again assuming this has to be done to our CL since it is the cousin of the Accord V6 coupe.

He went from a J30A1 to a J35 with Type-S heads and the Hope Systems Intercooler. That's the reason for the hood I believe.
Old 10-30-2005, 08:44 PM
  #34  
says "hello to my TLX".
 
Sun Diego CL-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Diego, Ca
Posts: 5,788
Received 17 Likes on 15 Posts
Originally Posted by mrsteve
He went from a J30A1 to a J35 with Type-S heads and the Hope Systems Intercooler. That's the reason for the hood I believe.
ok guys. it's good to know that i was mistaken.

sorry rtatsutani
Old 10-31-2005, 12:14 AM
  #35  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by typeR
i guess you are confused..my quote says 3.5 alone is prolly 10hp/20 lbft...then go onto say ...where i sit now mod wise is 270 hp and 240 torque whereas a 3.2 with these same bolt ons would prolly be 240 hp 200 torque
Ah, I c, so about 30HP with all bolt ons.

I'll have to agree with you on that for your car, but for my car personally given the unique setup of my engine, I should have a bit more output. But 550 more miles to go and I'll get the true numbers
Old 10-31-2005, 12:20 AM
  #36  
Never had a clean run
Thread Starter
 
rtatsutani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Honolulu
Age: 46
Posts: 683
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ayougo
I can belive you gained quite alot of torque and horse. I bumped my compresion up in my 2.2 and went from 142.28 hp and 136.71 torque to nearly 190 hp and 176 tq !! i have other internal mod's too but with your setup, i can see 20-40 in terms of gain.
Wowsers. You must have been running well over 11:1 compression. I'm running quite a bit over 11:1 too. Running 2 colder on my plugs just to be safe for now. Will change it back after breakin.
Old 10-31-2005, 04:53 AM
  #37  
318whp/289wtq @ 6psi
 
blk2001tlon19s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Accokeek, Maryland
Age: 44
Posts: 1,658
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ayougo
I can belive you gained quite alot of torque and horse. I bumped my compresion up in my 2.2 and went from 142.28 hp and 136.71 torque to nearly 190 hp and 176 tq !! i have other internal mod's too but with your setup, i can see 20-40 in terms of gain.

That's a pretty huge gain! What compression did you end up with?
Old 10-31-2005, 06:09 AM
  #38  
B A N N E D
 
ayougo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,890
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by blk2001tlon19s
That's a pretty huge gain! What compression did you end up with?
well, after the timing belt blew, i had a complete torn down done, down to the crank. Bumped compression to 9:5:1, spings, cam regrind and port matching along with everything else...spings, valves..etc. with the head, a new header, ( old bolts were fused to the head and header so and o2/s , aftermarket fuel pump and a 5th injector ( only when i atained my boost ) ) but NA that was enough to bring me huge gains. The car started life in FL, then bought, and lived inNY were i drove her in very cold climates ( great for power ) but when i moved to Texas ( 100s every day and high humidity ) the car sucked, After replacing my timing belt, under warranty it snapped and well, Gates took care of the rest. ( by the way, Gates does anything to protect you when things like this happens, they were very very great to deal with since it was there belt that broke IMO. during the cooler days at 64 degs and almost 0 humidity i saw those gains. I have yet to dyno her on a normal, hot , humid day. btw, hood open, 2 large fans cooling her when it was d day. Now im having clearance issues with my AC once i decided to boost her so right now she dont run so well. heh,.. not at all kind of. and is still in the paint shop after Rita too her paint and turned it into a picaso
Old 10-31-2005, 08:08 PM
  #39  
I'm a Vagiterian.
 
All Mine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Home of FreakNick.
Age: 39
Posts: 4,598
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I can't wait to see to dee some dyno numbers. Ayougo got some nice stock numbers. What size turbo are you going with?
Old 11-01-2005, 08:00 AM
  #40  
Banned
 
the_inspired's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Miami, FL
Age: 40
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by mrsteve
He went from a J30A1 to a J35 with Type-S heads and the Hope Systems Intercooler. That's the reason for the hood I believe.
he had an aftermarket hood to begin with, that's why he had to make some modifications if he had a stock hood, he would of been good to go.


Quick Reply: 3.5L Conversion with 0.25OS 05RL Pistons Finally Complete



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:00 AM.