GrandeInter10

Recently I got in contact with an old friend from middle school and it turns out he's a mad Honda tuner now. He builds B16s and B18s and has a few Civics with over 400 whp. although he sells most of them he has one especially for himself that has 500 whp and spanks STis, Evos and Gallardos and most anything else on the road all day. He offered to do some work on my engine if I wanted but I'm not sure what it is he can do for me. I remember reading some posts on here about the 3.5 conversion I think using RL camshafts and some other parts. Can anybody offer any further insight on this? Would it be worth it on a CL-P? I have a bit of mods, they're in my sig. But what do you guys think? If you've read my thread in car talk, I think this could be another solution to my need for speed without buying another car, IF it gives significant gains.

GrandeInter10

Anybody? I know this topic has been widely discussed but I'm asking about my particular situation.

typeR

3.5 ...type S ecu swap along with heads , sure ... but its not the rl crank, '02 odessey is ur best choice

GrandeInter10

Damn. I couldnt even find this thread anymore haha but thanks for the reply man. any more specifics would be really helpful tho man. I'm sticking with this car for a while so I wanna build it up to at least keep up with G35s, then if possible...smoke em

Accord_V6_400m

iTrader: (1)

Just go for it, all you need to do is let the guy know what does and does not work and let him do the actual building of the engine.

Get a tranny cooler if you don't have one yet.

3.5 swaps are alright for torque but honestly I have never seen them make much hp up top with that extra stroke of theirs. I wish cocoa could rebuild his motor and dyno it, always seemed like it had power.

GrandeInter10

Sounds good. And I'll most likely be adding a Comptech Supercharger at some point, but I don't know what parts I need for the swap tho. typeR said it's the Type S ecu and heads and the 02 odyssey crank but is that all? i've never fucked with engine mods before only bolt-ons...so if i sound confused and inept at this it's cuz i am. :-(

typeR

ya that 106 trap indicates very little top end hp

Accord_V6_400m

iTrader: (1)

Be honest how many 3.5 builds have you seen do well? I mostly see them doing poorly for the most part.

Your 106mph trap is also indicative of your overall torque band being improved not just your high end horsepower which isn't even all that high except for the fact that its a A/T but even then stock IS350's dyno more then that, so at the same time its not crazy impressive.

Just keeping it in perspective since not all 3.5 builds go as well as I thnk they should or for that matter could.

typeR

3.5 builds arent exactly rocket science, mine should be easily reproduced... my dyno was on a mustang dyno... is350's dyno more ? do they run 13.306 @ 106 ? doubt it? on a dyno jet that same car should have been 275/250 whp/lb.ft , with plenty more room for improvement... 300whp is doable ... and 12's allmotor can be done and still maintain a good daily driver...mine seemed as stock as can be...
check out this vid to 100 with a rouchIII with upgraded pulley and bolt ons... notice he doesnt stop and i roll out instead of giving him my death launch !


stock 01 stage 3 roush vs stroked bolt on 3.2cl ..they catch this light late..

visuelz

First make sure what he says is true. You don't want a guy that's all talk and no action messing with your car.

Cocoa

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I've been too lazy with the car recently. I know it'll turn into a 6 hour job, since I have other parts sitting around I can install.

poisx7

iTrader: (1)

Nice video that things seems to haul ass. How do u launch that AT without any wheel spin. heel i still spin my wheels on mine on just bolt ons.

Any mods to ur springs or frnt suspension ??

So, i guess that was not the first time racing him (since u claim a 2 car lead usually !!),@ end of the video i believe the other guy made a comment abt "thats the only chance we had in making a pass at him"

poisx7

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did u say 12secs.. 300 whp, allmotor em...... well that will be interesting if possible, well i guess it is if the car goes on a serious diet.

CleanCL

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300whp all motor is more than doable, it's just no one has gone that route when they can slap on a blower.

Accord_V6_400m

iTrader: (1)

I agree they're not that hard but that doesn't change the fact that many who have tried have not posted as good results. and yes I've seen IS350's post ET's like that: http://www.dragtimes.com/Lexus-IS350...lip-11405.html
13.315@104.95 sounds pretty close if you ask me and he only had an intake. Either way tracks and weather have a drastic impact on performance, tracks here suck and you would most likely not be able to achieve the same time here, especially since we have warmer weather and at least 1000' altitude, basically thats to say if I took my car to your track I would do much better with my 3.2 then I ordinarily do.

None the less, I still admire your achievements, just letting the OP know that some people just don't get it right when it comes to making high end hp numbers on these 3.5 for whatever reason that may be.

GrandeInter10

Hmm. So would it be worth it? I honestly know jack shit about engine building so I may just end up screwing myself over if something goes wrong. Maybe the supercharger alone is the way to go? It seems intriguing but at the same time very risky...and at this point I'm not too sure if it's worth the risk considering this is my everyday, school, work, and chill car...

rush

iTrader: (1)

Look Go On Ebay Or Something Buy A Used Eng And Toy With That. That Way You Got Back Up

poisx7

iTrader: (1)

Ok, are we talking 3.5 or a more stroked engine prob 3.7 ??
If this is possible i wonber why people are not giving it a try.
A NA V6 pushing 300 whp is no joke = > 350 HP @ d crank
I wonder what will be needed to make that much HP

poisx7

iTrader: (1)

I was just looking at a lexus gs350 and other s G35 etc.
And i think i really like the CL, its sorta unique. however the (2ND Gen)car needs some upgrade to even be able to keep up with recent times.

Come to think of it i have never heard of any NA v6 that makes over 350 HP. not one.
Even this new cars with all their R & D top out at 308 HP. (Nissan, infiniti Lexus etc ) other wise if looking to push more HP they throw in a V8 engine & call it a day.

remember we talking NA

Accord_V6_400m

iTrader: (1)

How about an inline 6? E46 M3 CSL 3.2 360hp and thats stock too.

Not too long ago there was a thread on AZ that asked what was better a 3.5 or SC at low boost? I personally voted for the 3.5 especially if costs are similar. Don't have to worry about the heatsoak, more torque everwhere.

I agree 300whp seems doable NA, most people here just like the VQ35 owners give up on NA performance.

rp_guy

ever heard of a VQ37 ? not quite 350hp, but they're at 330 w/ 280 at the wheels.. and i'm sure it's not tuned to max potential

poisx7

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well yes those inline 6s are a diff monster especially TQ wise. u dont see too many inlines this days. V6 NOT = Inline 6

swift22

Make sure he knows what he is doing.

My suggestion, making a high compression vs of the MDX motor with the highest flowing heads(type-s)and modifying the intake manifold using the new PGP intake caps or whatever. Headers, lightened pullies and swapping cams. Add injectors and a nice tune and your set and will be quite happy while maintaining good gas mileage.

See my sig for possibilies of what can be done if you know what your doing.

swift22

point something out...

Type-R has the below mods.... and is putting that to the wheels.. so at the crank that motor is putting down roughly 295hp/266tq

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'01 3.5 CL-S , headers,6mt ICE BOX,SPOON 160* T stat/fan switch/cap,LW crank pulley,Koni yellow SP3,
SSR competion,UNI Chip,VSA delet.Thermo block intake spacer,King P&P TB, p$p upper/lower intake


257/hp/232 lb.ft



Now you do some work,

Head work, swap pistons and cams. Rebuild motor from bottom up and balance it also. By the time you are done...you WILL be happy with your motor.

You can find a nice block to build on the side through good salvage yards with around 90k or less on them for around $500. Good luck!

CleanCL

iTrader: (4)

the 3.5 can def make 300whp on the 6spd tranny, all motor.

3.7L would make even more...

...reason no one goes this route... it is more effecient in terms of removal/install for a blower to make 300whp. cost wise, i'm not so sure. i would say it costs almost the same amount as buying the blower brand new, if not cost less. they only have to assemble a short block. but again, it comes down to what is the easiest to do. IMO a 3.5 w/ the right mods would be a lot more fun than a blower.

CleanCL

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that dyno typeR has listed was actually done BEFORE some of the mods in his sig... and his track time as well. also that was on a mustang dyno which typically runs lower numbers.

swift22

the chance of finding a junked out 07 MDX is nill but i would call very high end salvage yards to search there national data base and be the first to start out using a 3.7MDX bottom end. cha ching!

swift22

sweeeeetness!

typeR

yep... figure 325/275 crank numbers ... but ya i really thought there was a 12 in there if i could just have gone a very low 1.9 60'