290HP?
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290HP?
why do all the people with cl-s/tl-s with headers keep referring to it as a 290hp car? acura lists it as 260hp... not to the wheels but at the crank... comptech adds a dynoed 30+hp to the WHEELS, when you consider the ~20% loss for the headers, you are driving a 300+ HP car at the crank. and that is a NICE number!
just wanted to get that off my chest... thanks :-D
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just wanted to get that off my chest... thanks :-D
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I'm not sure about the scaling issue. Some of the losses are fixed (alternator, air, steering pump, oil pump, water pump). So, the net friction is not going to change with an increase in power.
The Dynojet also measures power by spinning up a heavy drum, so if someone has really light wheels, and they don't correct for them, how does one really know what the exact flywheel HP is.
BTW -- the "net" gain from the headers (I'm about to have 'em installed is about 24 HP. 232(headers)@6600 - 208(original)@6200 = 24 HP. I'm as guilty as the rest with the calcs, but staying on the low side is good for staying Out Of Trouble.
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[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 04-18-2001).]
I'm not sure about the scaling issue. Some of the losses are fixed (alternator, air, steering pump, oil pump, water pump). So, the net friction is not going to change with an increase in power.
The Dynojet also measures power by spinning up a heavy drum, so if someone has really light wheels, and they don't correct for them, how does one really know what the exact flywheel HP is.
BTW -- the "net" gain from the headers (I'm about to have 'em installed is about 24 HP. 232(headers)@6600 - 208(original)@6200 = 24 HP. I'm as guilty as the rest with the calcs, but staying on the low side is good for staying Out Of Trouble.
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- Wheel locks
- Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
- Kevlar/SS Brake lines ordered
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- 8 coats of Zaino magic
[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 04-18-2001).]
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Comptech's dyno for the headers has stock with max hp of 208 (6000-6200 rpm) and with headers the max hp is 232 hp (6400 rpm).. a difference of 24 hp at the wheels.. with the 20% loss.. if means an increase of 30hp at the crank
Whoops did not see the post above.. sorry for he double post, but yes it is better to err on the ocnservative side. =)
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[This message has been edited by e1828 (edited 04-18-2001).]
Whoops did not see the post above.. sorry for he double post, but yes it is better to err on the ocnservative side. =)
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2001 Satin silver CL-S
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* fenderwell and door trim
[This message has been edited by e1828 (edited 04-18-2001).]
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but at 6600rpm stock posts 199, while with headers the output is 231, which account for a 32hp gain at the wheels
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Alpine CVA-1005 Head Unit / Alpine G320 EQ / Alpine DVA-5205 DVD / Alpine NVE-N851A Navi / JL Audio XR653-CS 3-Way comps for the front powered by a bridged Alpine MRV-F407 amp / Boston Acoustics 5.5 ProSeries 2-Way comps for the rear powered by Alpine MRV-1002 amp / Dual 10" JL Audio W-6 sub powered by Alpine MRV-1005 amp / Two Alpine CHA-1214 CD Changers / 20% Tint all-around
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'00 Nighthawk TL
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Aem Short Ram / Comptech Sway Bars / Comptech Springs / Cross-Drilled Rotors / Pirelli SP7000 Tires / 35% Tint all-around
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'02 Nighthawk TL-S
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Comptech Springs / Comptech Headers
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Alpine CVA-1005 Head Unit / Alpine G320 EQ / Alpine DVA-5205 DVD / Alpine NVE-N851A Navi / JL Audio XR653-CS 3-Way comps for the front powered by a bridged Alpine MRV-F407 amp / Boston Acoustics 5.5 ProSeries 2-Way comps for the rear powered by Alpine MRV-1002 amp / Dual 10" JL Audio W-6 sub powered by Alpine MRV-1005 amp / Two Alpine CHA-1214 CD Changers / 20% Tint all-around
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'00 Nighthawk TL
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Aem Short Ram / Comptech Sway Bars / Comptech Springs / Cross-Drilled Rotors / Pirelli SP7000 Tires / 35% Tint all-around
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ZodiakTL:
but at 6600rpm stock posts 199, while with headers the output is 231, which account for a 32hp gain at the wheels
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but at 6600rpm stock posts 199, while with headers the output is 231, which account for a 32hp gain at the wheels
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* fenderwell and door trim
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gto2050:
Mine is stock so it's only about 200 to the rear wheels.
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Mine is stock so it's only about 200 to the rear wheels.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by defrag:
lol weLL FWD cars dont make much horsepower to the RearWheels to often
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lol weLL FWD cars dont make much horsepower to the RearWheels to often
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How can you tell, besides the badging and perforated leather, if the car is a Type S. I just want to make sure some dealer doesn't pass a CL off as a Type S.
What can I look for in the engine or elsewhere?
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the things you can look for are: type S shift knob, perforated leather, 17 in. wheels, metallic gauges, VSA (instead of TCS), and bowling ball trim (black wood) if it's the ebony interior. i think that's it for the things that you can look for... oh yeah the badge, which will prolly be stolen in a few weeks.
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35% neutral smoke tint... cleared out headlights replaced with polarg m-14's and piaa 19169's... piaa 19169's in roadlamps, doorlights, maplights, trunk light, license plate light... mini-max hyperwhite domelight... comptech headers, springs, swaybars, and drop-in filter... infinity basslink subwoofer
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'01 cl type-S black/black
mods (in order):
35% neutral smoke tint... cleared out headlights replaced with polarg m-14's and piaa 19169's... piaa 19169's in roadlamps, doorlights, maplights, trunk light, license plate light... mini-max hyperwhite domelight... comptech headers, springs, swaybars, and drop-in filter... infinity basslink subwoofer
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I would get the headers if it was a 15 hp increase throughout the band. When pushing the car it flys through the 6000-7000 rpm range very quickly. Even running on the highway you don't have to go much past 4500 rpm for this car to fly from 60 to 90 to pass someone.
I am really looking forward for the great dyno test that should be happening soon!
http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003996.html
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2001 Satin Silver CL Type S.
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I am really looking forward for the great dyno test that should be happening soon!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">How can you tell, besides the badging and perforated leather, if the car is a Type S. I just want to make sure some dealer doesn't pass a CL off as a Type S.
What can I look for in the engine or elsewhere?</font>
What can I look for in the engine or elsewhere?</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TakeFlight:
Mine is stock as well which means 0 to the rear wheels.
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Mine is stock as well which means 0 to the rear wheels.
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