I'm not sure I understand why it isn't a fair comparison? We have more displacement than the SRT. So does that mean we also can't compare our cars to a 5.0L Mustang? After all, they have a V8 and alot more displacement. Boosted doesn't mean the car has a jet engine. It only means more air and fuel can be pushed through a smaller displacement engine. Can any one else explain to me why you can't compare a boosted engine to a NA engine?

 

177lbs

 

Once was from stoplights and the other two races started around 50 and 70, if I remember right, it was a few months ago. Also notice I said a CL-S 6speed could hang with a SRT-4, I didn't say beat, or even consistently beat a SRT-4. From a stop it was more or less dead even up to eighty (45mph zone), and the other two on the freeway the CLS nosed him out at the end of third. The driver of the SRT-4 that was raced from a stop didn't launch that car real well.

I know the SRT-4 is a quick car, I will never say its not, I have been beaten many times, but at the same time I have kept up with some bad drivers in SRT-4's as well. A lot of the SRT-4 drivers I have run into have been kids, 16ish that you can tell this is there first car and they want to show it off, but they really don't know how to drive it well enough to truly show off what that car can do. An SRT-4 with a good driver, i get smoked!!!!

 

I hit 14.3 in my auto a few times, with I/H/E/P so i know a 6 speed in similar conditions with those mods should run better than a 14.2. I have seen neons run anything from 13.9-14.5 at the track depending on driver and conditions. I personally think a modded 6 spd can hang with a stock neon srt, to the point where it really comes down to the driver and the launch. Also remember in this run, we hit maybe 45-50 mph and I ALREADY had him by 1/2 car. I run consistent 13.6x's at the track. Over a quarter mile he would have gone down by more because i was pulling the whole time after about 20 mph.

 

who cares about fair races.... there is never any fair races unless 1 ppl can drive 2 of the same cars AT ONCE.

SRT-4 is faster than ALL STOCK CLS (6speed or not)... that is a fact but it is still POS.

also a cls need a lot of $$ invested to hang with a stock neon but bottom line is CLS is still a better car.

 

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SRT-4 is faster than ALL STOCK CLS (6speed or not)... that is a fact but it is still POS.

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to label the SRT-4 as a "POS" is to label yourself as completely ignorant to the realm of automobiles and to label yourself as a biased, uninformed moron who doesnt know what he is talking about.


Yes, the SRT-4 has the body of a neon and is based on the neon platform, and sure, that turns off alot of people. but to just classify it as a POS is so absolutely ignorant that the person who says it should never be listend to when they talk about cars ever again as long as they live.

the SRT-4 is a highly tuned, painstakingly engineered automobile that outperforms everything at its price point by leaps and bounds...it even out performs similar cars that cost 10k more!! Dodge covered all the bases on the SRT-4.....its everything that any sport-compact enthusiast could ever ask for in STOCK form. it takes thousands of dollars into your typical import to get it to compete with the SRT-4.

at its debut, all of the haters were saying "oh it will be in the shop constantly!!"

well, so far, there are no major recalls, no typical or consistant problems...nothing.

Acura sure cant say the same thing....(tranny anyone?)

sorry dude, you sound like an idiot...as does anyone else who makes a blanket statement like "the SRT-4 is a POS"

sounds like you just have salty nuts because your car gets beat by a neon....lol, and thats exactly why dodge is laughing and smiling (and selling SRT-4's left and right)

 

I drove an 04 SRT-4 for a whole week. It's not a bad car. I have been in far worse, but it is a cheap car. No features, no bells & whistles, & for some odd reason no rear power windows. They aren't even an option. WHY? Makes no sense. It's also very small. Not much room. That's what turned me off about it.

 

[QUOTE=jimcol711][QUOTE=oonowindoo]

SRT-4 is faster than ALL STOCK CLS (6speed or not)... that is a fact but it is still POS.

The Neon is is NOT highly-tuned... it is tuned for long-term reliability. Second... a Civic or RSX or Integra or whatever can be easily made quicker without a turbo!

 

hahahahaha, well no matter what level of "tuning" you want to associate with the SRT-4, it puts down numbers on the dyno that are HIGHER THAN THE FACTORY RATED NUMBERS AT THE CRANK!!!!


and your second point is absolutely moot.

first of all, you said it yourself..."can be easily made...." CAN BE...meaning "FAR FROM IT IN STOCK FORM" it takes thousands of dollars in mods to get a civic or integra or RSX to beat a stock RSX...all 3 of those are at least 1 full second slower in the 1/4 mile on average, from the factory.

second of all, alright, you do all the mods you can to an integra/civic/rsx that DONT include forced induction and it may be faster than a stock SRT-4.....then you do those same non-forced induction related mods to the SRT-4 and once again, the SRT-4 is blowing the doors off of the civic/integra/RSX.

and as far as tuning is concerned, if the SRT-4 is tuned "for long term reliability" and ALREADY puts down 230 hp at the wheels, i cant even imagine what it would put down at the wheels with stronger tuning!! jesus christ. i mean my 2.7 liter twin turbo audi will barely put down 220 hp at the wheels......and thats with twin turbos...and 6 cylinders.....

how can people not respect the SRT-4? i just dont see how anyone who is truely a car enthusiast cannot respect the SRT-4.

 

Where's the dyno that shows a bone stock SRT-4 with 230 at the wheels?

 

go to the SRT forums....220-230 hp at the wheels is pretty standard for a stock SRT-4. dodge clearly underrated these motors. sort of like how ford underrated the cobra....

 

An RSX with Header, Intake, Cams and Hondata puts down 220whp.... that isn't highly modded! Slap a turbo on and its bye-bye SRT-4!

 

you also neglected to mention...you use a hondata and start swapping cams, you just destroyed any hopes of maintaining a warranty....

 

Like everything else... it depends on the dealership. My dealership would actually install the cams... let alone still cover you under warranty.

 

[QUOTE=jimcol711][QUOTE=oonowindoo]

SRT-4 is faster than ALL STOCK CLS (6speed or not)... that is a fact but it is still POS.

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how can i be biased? i dont even freaking have an acura for like almost 2 years and FYI, i hate fucking Acura. SRT 4 is fast but Neon/mitsubishi reliability just sucks VERY bad so it is a POS... but for 20k srt is best bang for the buck...hell every car in that price range are POS to me.

and No my car is FASTER than a Neon SRT4 , at least a stock srt4 .... and i am PRETTY SURE that dodge dont sell as many SRT 4 as G35.......

 

a g35 is going to have to be worked on in order to beat a SRT-4....g35's are barely faster than a CL-S

 

 

I give up.... the Neon's better than all ours cars

 

On the second thought

If I had money, I'd buy civic for 3-4G
1. Get K20 swap, build it
2. Slap turbo on it
3. EMS
4. Suspension
5. raised to 25psi

and that Neon and still had some $$ in the pocket.

 

i have a STI ...

 

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how fast is a stock srt4? high 13s low 14s?

g35c 6mt is high 13 low 14 as well...

a cls 6mt is mid 14s car.

and since u like neon srt4 so much... y dont u go buy one?

 

My opinion, this is a POS....









I guess Dodge overlooked 'painstakingly engineering' any saftey or crash worthiness. Did they strength the frame or saftey cage?


SRT4 = fast POS tin can

 

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Also, ive seen atleast 3 or more stock 6 speeds post running 14.1-14.2. I think a 6speed with i/h/and tires can definately get 14.0 flat. Its all about the launch.

 

If you really want a "Bang for the Buck" and want to beat a Neon SRT, why not look at a Eclipe GSX gen 1 or 2. All wheel drive and turbo, and not to mention plenty of go fast parts kinda hard to beat. I'm sure a used Eclipse could be had for very little money.

 

How many bone stock 6 speeds have ran low 14's, like 1? I cant even find the thread where supposedly the guy ran his wife's 6 speed to a 14.2. Most are mid 14's with a good driver, some are even mid 14's with minor mods.

 

there is 1 6 speed that went 14.0 on stock tires with i/h

 

Yeah but he said stock, not modded + stock tires

I could pull a 14.0 with H/I also, doesnt mean a stock CL-S6 can beat a SRT-4 more times than not.

 

Dont you have a Scion xB. which is cheaper then 20k...so doesnt this statment make you a hypocrite.

 

 

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my xb is a pos and that is why it is a beater. i can barely pass anyone on the freeway with that shit.

 

 

Jim is the new sheriff in town and the automotive master! Not only does he know all the cars and how fast they are but he is also the authority on warranty work and what dealers will or won't do. He is the all knowing voice of common sense so all of you just shut the fuck up!

God bless him!

 

 

Hey, I'm actually friends with the moderator of that srt-4 forums. I know about 9 of them there. They are really cool guys. I can believe that a CLS can take a srt-4. The guys i've spoken with can only get a best of 14.4 among them, they told me they just spin the tires off the launch. And these srt's are not stock. They sound mean as hell too. For you southern cali peeps that ever wanna meet them, let me know. We use to hang out every weekend with them until my friends and I started going to GMR every weekend.

I don't get what the fuss is about. There will always be some that can get numbers that will blow your mind in stock form, both good and bad. I believe both the cls is capable of getting great numbers at the track, as well as I believe you can get shitty numbers with a stock srt-4. Truth is, we're not all professional drivers. Mathmatical speaking yes, the srt-4 can own the cl-s. But realistically speaking, it "can" be a good race. If I get flamed for what I said, then damnit! I tried really hard being careful as to what I wrote, lol.

 

LOL
basically the whole 2 PARAGRaphs u just wrote can summerize into 1 sentence.... a fast car can be slow with a stupid driver and a slow car can be fast with a good driver.

 

lol...yeap yeap...

 

notice you said good driver welll this goes for the good driver in that CL to get 14.0

 

way to bring this thread back from the dead only to add a muddled useless remark...

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umm how is that???

just because a car goes faster than another its means its better.. Neon are shitty loooking cars..... NEVER EVER will I buy a NEON>>> dont give a damn how fast it goes..