Ogolden1

1) Total installation time ~ 18 hrs including doing the trans cooler installation and ATF flush. (Some of Comptech's instructions and steps are out of order, very confusing, and have changed since they first did them - which required redoing things a couple times. Also some pics are not from the CLS! [Accord] ) I could probably do it again in 14 hrs. total, now knowing what I know.

BTW, how much did you guys pay to have them installed at the Dealership???...$1,000 - $1,200???

2) I'm a bit disappointed in the "detuned" #'s for the amount of money spent.
At the beginning of this year, I remember seeing #'s posted on their site with a Dyno chart indicating a 48-52 hp increase and targeted boost of 5.5 PSI. 3 weeks ago it said 38-42 hp; now it says 34-40hp! And they have lowered boost so not to exceed 4 PSI. But in reality, from my Dyno runs, PSI is in the mid to upper 2's to low 3's thru the entire RPM range until 6600 rpm it goes to 3.41 PSI & 6800 rpm it goes to 3.98 PSI.

I dynoed almost identically to their posted dyno - 262 whp and 221 wtq - pre SC dyno was 220whp, so 42 whp increase, or approximately 20% ...Oh, on the topic of Dynos - this was a "Dyno Dynamics" brand which Comptech uses - it is a true and more accurate measurement than the "Dyno-jet" weighted drum dyno. According to both Comptech and the Dyno's Mfg's Rep, the Dyno-Jet is a "calculated measurement", not a true measurement, and can OVERSTATE actual hp by 12% - 19% in many cases.

OK, back to impressions :
3) The engine sounds the same at idle and low RPM's, but actually sounds QUIETER than before at WOT - the "whaaahhh" CAI intake sucking sound has been replaced with a stealth-like jet engine sound - "wuuuhhhhhsssssszzzz".

4) It takes until ~ 2500 rpm to start feeling it pulling more than before, then continues pulling until the VTEC hits, then MAN DOES IT REALLY ROCK! ...5K-7K rpm is AMAZING! The most fun is when you are cruising along in 3rd or 4th, and you hammer it so it downshifts and it's in the VTEC zone - it pulls to 120 MPH SOOOO fast - it's an incredible rush!

5) Tranny - NO problems! In fact, it shifts much smoother and is seemless @ WOT thru 3rd and 4th - you don't even feel it shift - it's just like it's jet powered!

6) Temps - just slighty higher at normal operating temps - only one notch higher on the gauge.
Intake manifold and Blower temps are at 137 degrees F measured by an infrared thermometer, so the intercooler project sounds like a good option.

FYI - I spoke to Shad (a tech @ Comptech involved in the original development and testing) - he said that they had severe detonation problems with the higher boost due to the stock ECU A/F limitations on the Auto - apparently, there is a small RPM range that is running way too lean @ 5.5 PSI. In fact, he said they blew a motor during testing! The piggy back ECU unit will solve the problem, but is "back-burnered" right now due to the overwhelming R&D of new TSX and TLX products - they will probably get to it at the end of the year during the winter. They are hoping to get the HP #'s to the same level as the 6 speeds (ie. 55hp - 60hp) And IF you put on a 2nd stage high-boost pulley, it will VOID your 2 yr Comptech product warranty.

mattg

very nice. but that does suck about the boost limitations. what kind of tranny fluid are you running?

any plans of taking it to the strip?

Ogolden1

Mobil One Synthetic

No plans of going to a drag strip.

mattg

mobil one tranny fluid? did comptech suggest that?

scalbert

It is between 5000 - 5500 revs that it goes lean for a bit; too lean with higher boost.

scalbert

Congrats on the purchase and install, I know that extra pull from enywhere in the rev band is nice. It allows the car to pull out with more authority and without needing to run it up to redline everytime.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Nice review, it seems like the 4th gear problem is gone with the supercharger. Damn I want one

fender4

Good review,,, whats the 70-80 mph cruise mpg's,,

Smitty

At first I was like... Oh damn"he is gonna cut it up"... then I read on and was like , no bashing.. sweet...

Nice review, thank you, it made my day

Titand19

wanna race?

ModAddict

I got 30.7 mpg at 80 mph, on 93 0ctane, The day after I installed the kit.

darrinb

take it to the strip man

0-60 in only 5.6 on the gtech, that does seem a little low...

Nashua_Night_Hawk

This is only means one thing the SC and Auto does not go well and it is NOT cost effective. CLS-6 maybe another story.


Thank you for sharing the info, please could tell us what was the Torque before and after. this is the best indicate of % gain in the engine performance.

Also, if there is a lean Can't a VAFC controller go the trick and fix the lean condition?
Nashua.

CLpower

I was wondering what happened to you! Looks like i'm gonna have to hook the nitrous back up and see if you can finally take me

Nashua_Night_Hawk

BTW, how did they detune the Auto version? different pulley?

scalbert

Nope. The VAFC is 100% worthless with the Comptech SC system. There is no sense in trying to alter the MAP signal with the VAFC when the ESM will clamp it at a lower level.

Now that I learned why I was getting knock with the higher boost pulley I do feel my extra injector might work out well. Now I just need to get it, or a replacement on the car again.

Ogolden1

I spoke with Shad, the tech @ Comptech. I could only find 4 qts of Redline locally - I asked him if I could run Mobil One Synthetic - he said there wouldn't be a problem as it holds up against the heat very well ... (and, it's only $4.99 per qt. @ Autozone compared to $7.99 for Redline. I flushed thru 10 qts!!!...so I saved $30.00+ tax right there!
Hell, I ran it in the stock car and am STILL on the ORIGINAL Tranny with 66K hard-driving miles! - I've been using the Mobil One Synthetics for years in all my vehicles, including my dirt and street bikes. The "Special" Honda ATF is a Marketing Scam - just like the special oils for motorcycles. I've run "Red Cap" for years w/ no clutch slippage in the bikes.

Ogolden1

Not sure as I haven't done a rode trip yet. But, I can tell you that I've been "sucking it down" with WOT runs in town! ...on my first tank-full (with hotter weather and the AC on) I only got 242 miles - I can usually get 285 - 300 miles around town without the AC on... but, then again, I have had my foot in it the whole time, and I've probably worn 8K miles worth of rubber off the front tires in the past week!

Ogolden1

Thanks, I appreciate it!

BTW, I found out why I was running a little hot - the water hose that goes into the TCS next to the corner of the Ice Box was too close when I put the box in and it tore a pinhole in the hose which was getting bigger and bigger as I drove- I was losing coolant/ water until it started blowing out steam this afternoon. All fixed now!

Scalbert, did you install yours, or have the dealership do it?

...if so, how much was it? ...just curious!

Also anyone else have it installed by the Dealer? ...HOW MUCH?

Ogolden1

Sure, but you're on the other side of the country!

Ogolden1

With the piggy-back ECU and 6 PSI it will be FANTASTIC!!!

The max gain in Torque was 36.2 ft.lbs @ 5000 rpm. Dynoed 221 ft lbs.
The average thru the entire rpm range is in the ~ 28 ft lbs. range.


I think they used a larger diameter pulley to "detune it".
The PSI is HALF of what it was supposed to be!

scalbert

Ah, good catch there before things good too hot. I didn't install the TB coolant lines. Mine is bypassed just behind the T-Stat housing. See the below image:

TB Coolant Bypass

I did it myself in about 8 - 9 hours total. It was done over three nights though, beginning with the fuel system the first night. The second night included the electrical aspects including the alternator pulley and new bracket. The final night was the rest of the mechanical.

No clue on cost but I would have to assume in the $1000 range.

Installation Directory

ModAddict

It's the same kit, it's just that the 5AT has a higher parasitic drivetrain loss. It's the same way with most automatics and their manual counterparts.

Zapata

TLX ? new name? cool thing comptech is developing things for the TSX.

btw, congrats

CLpower

you forgot about me man!


the new screenname probably threw you off. It use to be CLpower, the nitroused first gen that showed you his tails. Seriously though, i'll find all my NOS stuff and hook back up the bottle so we can see what your baby can do now!

typeR

no way...scott???? you're CLpower? sweet ...i dont think i knew you were ghander or ghander was you ...how goes it?

Red Rider

Nice review from another RED SCd I had mine installed at the dealer and it was just about a grand. I love the extra power and look forward to the Piggyback so i can get the max out of it. Love that whine !! Good luck with yours.

Ogolden1

Hey man, ... sorry about that!!! Why did you change username from CL Power???

Yeah, that sounds like a plan. I think you will still probably get me because your little CL flies on the laughing gas! :P

ModAddict

Same thing happened with mine. Scalbert's bypass might be the way to go anyway. The other thing I found was a small oil leak on the blower from the bottom allen bolt not being tightened enough. I caught them both right away, so no harm done.

I am still running the stock exhaust manifolds and believe that's increasing my boost levels. On 93 octane, the 6 psi pulley is running just over 6.5 psi and runs great with the stock tunning, and stock exhaust. Adding headers could change things though. Steve will have his 6# pulley back on soon, with headers, so we'll see how he does with it.

I thought the 6MT and 5AT stock boost pullies were the same size. I'll measure mine when I get it back next week, and maybe Steve can check his out when the 6# goes back on.

scalbert

We know that the alternator pulley is the same so the only variable is the blower pulley. I just did a quick check on it and it was about 3-7/8 inch outside edge diameter. The top of the tooth diameter would be about 3-3/4 inch.

Check yours to see if it is the same and we can confirm that auto and manual blower systems do use the same pulley.

That is unless the crank pulley is a different size which I highly doubt. From what I recall, mine is just over 7 inches.

ModAddict

Mine is the same size blower pulley, so they are the same kit, with the same pullies.

ModAddict

So,,,,

scalbert

So it is established that they are the same and good to know!!!

When are your headers going to be in??

I went for a run and was thinking about why you haven't experienced any knock at all. I wonder if the greater scavenging with the headers, particularly when the cam lobes are switched, will cause it to go leaner and knock might become apparent.

The greater scavenging should cause it to go a bit leaner but to what extent I am unsure. This will be interesting to see what type of changes occur when the headers are added.

BTW, I’m not wishing any knock on you, just curious as to the differences.

ModAddict

Maybe shipping the end of next week, but then they go to JetHot or Swain Tech for coating. That will add two weeks.

Ogolden1

What PSI was your "stock" pulley running?

Is this a Blower replacement pulley, or the alternator pulley?


SCALBERT: The bypass looks like a good way to reduce the intake air heat - are there any ill effects at coldstart, etc...

"So it is established that they are the same and good to know!!!"

I think the main difference (aside from parasitical drain) is in the ECM settings - remember Comptech said that the Auto fuel/air ratios were programmed differently than the 6 speeds!

GOT PSI?

That would be a race I'd pay to watch!!

GOT PSI?

Blower pulley.

scalbert

No ill effects for me and it has been this way since last fall but I do live in the south with a moderate winter. Your location would certainly not show any ill effects either.

The ESM could be set differently. Time for ya'll to pull out you Digital Multi-Meter and check the ESM output voltage. Comptech provided test points on it for easy testing and setting. Mine is currently set at 2.91 volts. This might be lower for the automatics whicle running fuel higher pressures. I wonder if there is a difference in the FPR gain rate??

Brad, what was your FP with 20 inches HG and no vacuum??

scalbert

Nope, it is the alternator pulley which gets swapped, unfortunately. It would have been nice if it were the blower pulley as that is readily accessible.

Left is the higher boost pulley, right is the stock Comptech pulley:

ModAddict

Just under 5 psi

It's the alternator "stepper pulley"


Really, it's just the parasitic loss from the drivetrain. Automatics never make as much hp as manuals. The kits are the same except the auto kit comes with an extra cast elbow for the tcs control, and a tranny cooler, (mine did). The throttle body coolant line is routed thru a solonoid on the tranny. I think it opens up atf flow when the temp warms up to a certain point. Other than that, it's the same kit. The FMUs both comes standard, with the largest spring, and the larger disc, then they are set at the middle of the range for that set up.