i wasted this kid 3 times sooo bad he could not belive it and followed me for 5 miles till i pulled in a deli so we could talk

rolling start pulled 1/2 car to 30

30-80 about 3 cars

80- 120 another 2

ha ha aha ahhaa i was soooo worried about racing one of these cant belive it!!!!

 

good kill. I'm sure it wouldn't have been as bad a kill had the driver known how to shift, plus if it was an 06 it probably wans't broken in yet.

 

He is most likely stock, and you have everything for the CL and have reached the limit pretty much as far as HP, unless you want to take off the SC and get a custom turbo and a 6 speed.........An EVO with half as much $$$ as you've spent and it will be no contest at all.

1. Might not have been broken in yet, prob shifting at 5,000 rpms for break in
2. Kid cannot drive

Now you do have headers, exhaust, and SC, but the 19's and subs are going to weigh you down more than a stock CL,......plus the CL weighs 200 lbs more than the EVO,........anyway, an EVO IX in the right hands bone stock can run a 12.9 in the 1/4,........, and the EVO IX's with minimal bolt-ons, Exhaust, intake and ECU flash are making over 300 WHP easy, and that is just the beginning, at a cost of less than 1,500 for the very best.

The EVO has so much more potential than the CL, that's why I upgraded.

 

That dude couldnt drive. Stock evo 9s have dynoed at 270+ whp; well over the advertised rating. They are infact dynoing 30-40 whp higher than stock evo 8s. That being said, like mentioned above, evos are also lighter than the cls. You mentined that you have a supercharger and all the mods; on an auto that is between 275-295 whp. So the only conclusion I can come to is that guy couldnt drive. Being two cars of equal whp rating and one being hundreds of pounds lighter. It should have been a drivers race.

 

also, if you put $1,000 worth of mods you get well over 300 whp. I've seen one dyno graph at 330+whp with turboback exhaust, drop in kn filter, MBC, & a flash.

 

Good kill...I'm sure the kid was pissed off..Money well spent on your mods.

 

Exactly, and these mods at a cost of about 1,500 or so at the most for the very best.

 

he had a boost controler, turbo timer and 3 gauges i could see monitoring i dont know what.......kid was really pissed.... he did seem kinda corny though so the shifting issue may have been a factor.... also i hit a turn at well over 100 after i had left him and noticed he didnt pull through it like me.... he kinda bitched out a little

i do know he is in a car club and seems real honest hopefully ill have some people gunning for me now when the sun comes out!!!

really was awsome to see though they way i pulled him was just beautiful

 

Unless you actually spoke to him you dont know what he had, because the boost controller vast majority of the time is in hte engine bay, ...turbo timer adds no HP, just lets the car run when you shut if off to let the turbo cool down,...and EVO's come stock w/ gauges to monitor turbo temp, voltage, and PSI. Good kill,....., this outcome will be rare for you though, and the EVO MR anyway handles much better than a CL w/ springs, sways, and shocks.

 

at 2003type-s6 and N.O.6speed.

What does EVO potential has to do with his kill?
Try leave EVO from the line with 1500rpm vs. 4500-5000rpm and I'd like to see your 1/4 mile slip

First, the race was from the roll, even CL-S 6MT with i/h/e/pulley will stay next to stock EVO while rolling and can pull on it but not much. Since he running auto but supercharged, I assured you stock EVO gets destroyed by blown CL-S from the roll due to huge AWD loss, but yes EVO loss will occur with a distance depending on the shifting skills.

Unless EVO is modded with at least 300whp, then yes it will pull on blown CL-S (under 300whp) due to higher torque. But guess what, my buddy in his Frankestein sc Accord V6 (now 3.5L) destroyed bad bunch of EVO's from the roll who dynoed 335whp/340wtq vs his auto 320whp/270wtq.

So, GOOD KILL .

 

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First, the race was from the roll, even CL-S 6MT with i/h/e/pulley will stay next to stock EVO .[/QUOTE]

Ummm, no,......I had a 6MT w/ I/H ,...........exhaust only gives about 10 more HP, and a properly driven IX will still beat the CL. Good kill, but he beat the driver not the car.

 

So, he won right???


Good kill!

 

10HP?

I don't know what you gained, but people here have got over 236whp and some 245whp with basics mods on CL-S 6MT which is 20-25whp over stock.

If that EVO was stock and driven by a good driver, CL-S 6 with i/h/e/p will run next to it (assuming decent driver). Now, blown CL-S will destroy it like there is no tomorrow. Try running one, and you'll see.

I like EVO, but common now, blown CL-S got some serious balls from the roll, so don't underestimate one.

 

Why you quoting 2003type-s6 under my userID
But hell, yeah good kill

 

You say you had a CL-S 6spd??? and then you say 10hp? You should know better than that. Where are you pulling these random numbers from? 10whp alone comes from a freakin icebox already.

Just because one of your precious evo family members lost to a boosted CL that's putting down more power, doesn't mean you should get your panties in a bunch and start trying to discredit someone else's win. grow the fuck up

 

no doubt it was a good kill. If I beat an evo with my cls I would post it also. Just pointing out the differnece between evo 8 and evo 9. Two totally different animals. On allwheel drive dynos, the 9 has put down 275 awhp stock. They consistently dyno 30-40 horsepower more than evo 8s. The rolling start takes away the launching advantage the evo has over the cls; but, bone stock evo 9s have broken into the 12 second zone in the quater on 91 octane. That is serious power for a stock car. Ultimately sc cls6 vs. evo from a roll is a drivers race like I originally stated.; and for this guy to kill one by 3-4 lengths tells me the evo driver was very poor.

 

I stayed almost even with an Evo 8 on a freeway on-ramp (50-100). He pulled a little over 1 car at the most. I was very surprised because the last time i raced one he destroyed me on the launch so bad that i let go off the gas before switching to 2nd gear :P

 

Nice to know the IX and VIII difference. I'm curious on specs with X and if Mitsu has built AWD or RWD turbo coupe, I'd buy one. Too bad Eclipse is FWD.

And as far as I heard you have to invest tons of $$$$ if you want anything over 380whp on EVO.

 

nice kill

and that has nothing to do w/ this thread.

 

^well Mattg it isnt the worse thread hijack in history or anything. You must be bitter because of the scooby you got............. j/k.

 

And as far as I heard you have to invest tons of $$$$ if you want anything over 380whp on EVO.[/QUOTE]


Thats pretty much true. You get get close to 400 awhp with all the tricks, which would include alchol injection, on the stock turbo. Anything beyond that and you need a turbo upgrade which = pretty big money. But keep in mind with a good launch 350+ awhp is good for high 11s to low 12s in the quarter.

 

Nice kill. Don't let the haters get to you. I NEVER lost to an STI or Evo at the drag strip when I had my blown CLS...in fact, I never won by less than 3-4 car lengths. Call it driver error, which it most definitely was, but if you can't shift your car well don't come bitchin' with all this 'yeah, well somebody on such and such website posted this time and got this number on the dyno' blah, blah, blah.

 

Well stated

 

What basic mods are you talking about, ... I/H/E ?? That might get you 260 to the wheels w/ a 6 speed,.... EVO IX is putting that to the wheels stock, @ 200 lbs lighter.

 

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No more than how much you must invest for 380whp for a CL. In fact, last I checked a SC 6 speed w/ all the bolt ons wasnt even putting down 380,.........and thats like 7,000 right there.

 

Not trying to hate, but if you best 1/4 mile was 13.44X and you never lost to an EVO or an STI it's the drivers you beat dude. Stock EVOs and STI's run mid to low 13's stock, a few basic mods and they are in the high 12's.

 

Good kill, but look at this guys mods,.........yes SC/H/E, but it's an auto not to mention the subs and the 20" chrome wheels, i mean , how much do those weigh?? Props to the SC, but it should not have been a massacre.

 

Cmon, 10 hp from the icebox is a little generous dont you think? Show me some DYNO #'s and what knod of dyno it is for a 6 speed with all the bolt ons except for the SC, and the HP at best will still be under the IX, and 200lbs heavier.

 

Yeah, hijacked a little,........just trying to show a maxed out $$$ CL vs. stock EVO and what little $$$ it would take to be past him.

 

which he said right in his post.

and yes, STi's and EVO's are capable of low 13's stock, with the proper launch and shifting. but reality is that alot end up running high 13's or 14.0's stock. especially when running against blown CL-S's it seems.

it's funny how you guys have to come in here and tell us how fast you can make an EVO, like nobody knew.

 

A little conservative, actually. +14whp @ 6000 rpm from just an icebox for the 6MT, probably +12?? for an 5AT...
http://www.comptechusa.com/store/med...spd_icebox.pdf

Here's your SC/H/E 5AT dyno, it's putting out ~265fwhp
http://www.comptechusa.com/store/med...ls6auto_sc.pdf


Now, let's start with the EVO VIII. It probably puts down somewhere in the 210-215whp range.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...threadid=16484

185whp from the BEST dyno there. Shiv says 190 with 93 octane-- fine, we'll use that. Add the correction factor of 15% more and you're only looking at ~218whp and 93 octane, which is about right, consider that AWD generally has a 25% drivetrain loss. (276*.75=207)

Now something tells me that the EVO 9 is not making 30whp+ more than the 8 if MITSU only rates it as +10 flywheel hp...

So there you have it, a 260whp+ vs. a generous ~230whp evo IX from a roll. It won't matter how good of a driver you have in the EVO, once it's already rolling, it's gonna get pulled on.

So now you can go and rebut again by saying how the EVO's have so much more potential. No one is arguing that, so the EVO can make +XXXwhp with only $1,500. OK good for them. We're happy that you "upgraded" to one. The real point here is not about the potential of the cars, it's about the two cars that were AT the race. One of them was pretty much stock and the other was heavily modded. The outcome makes perfect sense, and that's that. I'm sure most others here will agree with me.

 

 

[URL=http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16484]
That post was from 2003..........every year the EVO puts more to the ground and we are tallking about the IX, not the VIII, IX has Mivec on the intake side, and a bigger & better turbo............

Here is a stock IX tuned w/ just an MBC set to 20 PSI
287HP 284TQ
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=172886&highlight=IX+dyno



Here is stock before just tuning, before and after,
before 225HP 229TQ
after w/ MBC 277HP, 297TQ
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=165455&page=1&pp=15
http://www.hksusa.com/info/?id=2879

 

His subs and 20" chrome wheels means he is not as fast as an 01 with some lightweight 17's or 18's,., plus his subwoofers,........

Bone stock the evo IX hp to weight ratio is damn close to the CL, taking in account the extra rotational weight of the rims and they should have been about even. Check out
evolutionm.net and see what the IX's are dong w/ just a couple $$$ in mods and a tune.

Your show thread from evo.net is from 2003 and for an 03 EVO,.....they have gotten better.

 

I would trade my CL for an EVO anyday just because of the tranny issues with the automatics alone

 

Didn't he just say it was probably driver error?

 

I think you are getting too defensive here... Maybe cuz u recently bought an EVO? the poster isnt trying to say the Evo is slow, he is just sharing his experience with us. We all know that the Evo gets impressive numbers on the drag or at the track, but anything can happen on the streets. Cant you just say good kill instead of naming all the reasons why the Evo might have lost?
Evos have an advantage launching (all wheel drive) and get niec 1/4 mile times but on a straight line and from a roll they are not that impressive....

 

I never had a problem with an EVO having the mods I had on my CL, but if I do I always have 2 backups that will eat an EVO alive. Unfortunately, my CL is being returned to stock due to damaged parts in my accident and the insurance company's refusal to cover the "aftermarket parts", so I guess I'll have to deal with losing for a while until I decide to mod the CL again, or sell it for an M6.

 

..........Good Kill man, I ran a Evo on Friday night ...didn't have any issues with pulling away from it in my TL-p ...he did have exhaust ...it sounds nice though.

 

so now you can beat an evo with your i/h/e TL?

this thread sucks