Joe5.0

Anyone have this in their 6 speed? I havealways wanted a different knob because the stock one is dorky looking, imo. I assume it will thread on properly, but it'd be nice it was a little shorter too. Any other suggestions for a OE looking knob that shortens the throw a little bit?

rbf351

i have the 04 TL knob on my 03 CL-S 6 speed

the threading is not the same and it does not fit, when you start the screwit down it cracks the plastic, also the 2 clips on the bottom don't lock onto our shift boot


also knob do not shorten the throw, all a know can down is make it look lower

you can only shorten the throw by getting the neuspeed short throw adapter

Joe5.0

Well it will shorten the throw a little if the knob is shorter, but I dont really care about that. I just dont like the way the stock knob looks. What have most people done on here?

Shawn S

A lower knob will shorten the throw slightly.
Here’s the MOMO one I have.

rbf351

both of you are wrong on that, the only thing a smaller knob will do is make the shifter lower down, it has no effect on the actual throw length

they only way to shorten the throw is to make the cable from the shifter to the tranny longer

Zippee

Actually it will, as the top of the knob is closer to the pivot the distance it moves between gears will be less.

rbf351

the distance never changes, and you never shorten the throw

you make think since it's lower down that you length has changed, but in reality it hasn't

unless you change the length of the able cable you aren't doing anything but making the shift knob sit lower

Zippee

As the top of the knob is lower and closer to the pivot the throw will be a little shorter.

Changing the cable length won't make the throw shorter, you have to change the position of the rod pivot. The short shifter kit moves the pivot up a little bit.

rbf351

on this car the length is changed by the adapter plate

on other car like my Si the bottom part of the shifter(ball) is made longer which extends the rod the connects to the tranny, which makes the shiting shorter

Shawn S

This argument has come up before which is why I drew up this little layout.

Zippee

Changing the length of the cable will do nothing, the end of the cable must still move the same distance to change gears.

Take a look at the pics in the other thread about shifters. The Neuspeed plate moves the attachment point higher on the shaft. The cable to the tranny is not changed at all.

rbf351

i own a nuespeed adapter, it's on my CL

the cable that connect to the tranny is what is hooked to the shifter

you aren't actually moving the cable, but you are changing the angle which makes the cable move less


also that with the diagram
that's true to a certain extent, however it will require MUCH more torque to move the shifter, and won't really do much

the pivot point is what you want to modify to drastically change the throws

Joe5.0

Ok, I dont care about the throw distance, imo its fine stock. I just want to get rid of the dorky looking stock shifter, but I dont want something that is blatantly aftermarket. Any other options for something nice looking with the correct 6 speed pattern on it?

6speedctrlfreak

I have wanted to get the S2000 titianium knob, but its a bit too much $$$ for me right now - everyone says that the titianium weight makes easier shifting - Its like $100 or there abouts !!!!

6speedctrlfreak

http://www.handa-accessories.com/highlights/s10.html

JakeCL

i have both of these and like the combo

Joe5.0

Jake is that the 04 TL knob? And did you have any installation problems with the knob or short throw shifter?

Zippee

I'm using the one from an '04 RSX. It's plastic but looks and feels better than the stock leather one. They show up now and then for $10 or so on eBay.

Shawn S

I feel the opposite…. The stock shifter was just a hollow piece of plastic and it felt CHEAP…CHEAP…CHEAP.
Titanium is light
The MOMO one I have now is solid and has some “heft” to it and it has a much better feel.

123456SPEED

I like the perforated leather and metal S2000 and TSX knobs. They are very heavy compared to the plastic stock knob and give a much better shift feel. THe S2000 has the black shift patteren, the TSX has the red shift pattern, that's what I have. The TSX knobs aren't cheap and are hard to come by, the S2000 is easier to find.

Joe5.0

Well I just ordered the SS from Neuspeed. I guess if it doesnt work like I want its only $50 lost.

That stock S2k knob looks pretty nice, anyone have one installed?

Found a 02 S2000 knob - leather/aluminum with the 6 speed pattern for $62 new, that a good price?

darrinb

i like the tl knob i'd go with that one joe

Joe5.0

Yeah but rbf351 siad it didnt fit correctly?

I think I'm gonna go with the 02 S2k knob, it looks pretty similar to the TL knob, maybe just a tad shorter. I'd get the TSX knob, but I dont like the red lettering. Hopefully the s2k knob fits well.

darrinb

u plan on dropping your ride soon joe

Joe5.0

H&R sports on en route, and I'll be getting Tokico Illumina's soon.

Now just need to do some researching for camber kits.

123456SPEED

I heard the TL knob doesn't fit perfectly. I like the red lettering on my TSX knob, matches the type S red logo.

JakeCL

my knob is the s2k knob, you can find a better price used if you post a thread on s2ki.com forums those guys want to upgrade just like us and most of the time they will let go of the stock knob relativly cheap, i got mine for less than 3o bucks

Joe5.0

I'd rather just get it new, $30 more for a new one aint much.

Did it thread and mount up correctly? It looks alot nicer than the stock one, thats for sure.

And did your SS install w/o any problems, ie. trimming etc?

JakeCL

it went right on but you do need to modify your boot, do a search there are a bunch of ways to do it

rbf351

he only needs to modify the boot if it's the old version of the SS, otherwise it should fit perfectly

JakeCL

huh?

cartan

To expand on this further, use the following:

Let D1 be the horizontal distance the shift cable must move to shift gears. This does not change on the car regardless of the modification.

Let D2 be the horizontal distance the shift knob (or your hand) must move when shifting gears. This is what you want to shorten when referring to a short throw. In Shawn S's diagram, this is the horizontal measurement.

Let H1 be the height of the attachment of the shift cable relative to the pivot point of the stick.

Let H2 be the height of the shift knob relative to the pivot point of the stick. In Shawn S's diagram, this is the vertical measurement.

Now a little geometry will tell you that D2 = D1 * ( H2 / H1 ). What does this mean? Since we agree you cannot change the distance the cable must travel (D1), you can shorten the throw (D2) in two ways. You can reduce H2 by using a shorter shift knob, or you can do what the Neuspeed adaptor does and increase H1 (i.e. you raise the height of the shift cable attachment point). Or you can do both for even shorter shifts.

Yes, the knob has an impact and so does the short throw adapter.