idktriple6

I want to do a manual swap for my 01 CL-S. Will a V6 Accord manual transmission fit? Thanks.

gnuts

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Not that I've heard of. I'm guessing the bell housing wouldn't bolt up.

Why not just look for a CLS6? They can be had pretty cheap these days. You need so many 6speed parts you'd be better off with a wrecked CL6 to do the swap. Personally I'd just sell your 01 and look for a 6speed.

idktriple6

I heard of people swapping CL-S with Accords/Odysseys back on this forum several years ago. You can look up the posts I just want to confirm, before I buy.

gnuts

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They're talking about automatics. They swap odyssey and accord automatics over. Not manuals.

Karanx7

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Yes, you can use a V6 accord manual transmission. Same bell housing pattern.

The only difference will be that Honda manual transmissions don't use a LSD. Also, they don't have the 03 CL-S6 specific crank sensor pickup.

gnuts

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Good to know! Learn something new everyday. LSD is really need in these cars though.
i still think you'd be better off just buying a CL6.

idktriple6

Thanks Karanx7, I knew you could, Also the previous owner of my 01 CLS said you could, since it's the exact same engine. Plus all CLs, TLs and Accord V6s are the same build i'm pretty sure. Also, It's an 01 CLS, does this year have an LSD, Also the previous owner said at most you have to use the Accord ECU. Any insight on this?

Karanx7

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What? No, your automatic transmission doesn't have an LSD. The Honda manual transmissions don't have an LSD.

Only Acura manual transmissions have an LSD. You would need a lot more than just the Accord ECU. You'll be better off getting a CL-S6

idktriple6

No, apparently not. The previous owner has a bunch of buddies with Honda/Acuras and they just all told me today at most an ECU change, so what other parts do i need than? I am serious about doing a manual swap. I have the money to do so and it's a fun learning experience. So any information on what I need would be very helpful, thanks.

idktriple6

Also, please don't tell me to buy a CLS 6 speed. All the ones in my area at 400km away are for $4000 and up. I got 01 CLS for $800. I can get an Accord V6 manual trans for another $200 off a guy I know. Plus my mechanic can swap it for $400. So if you do the math, it's a lot cheaper for me this way. Plus I want a more reliable transmission than a CL/TL.

gnuts

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He's going to swap a manual trans, swap the necessary 6speed engine parts (cam gear, crank sensor, harness which you don't have), drill through your firewall for the clutch pedal, get your 6 speed console, shifter linkage installed for that much? Amazing deal.
listen, you're young and ignorant about what is involved here. Read this thread on what it takes to convert an auto to a manual. It's a TL but it has the same auto engine as the CL so it's the same process.
https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...ersion-591872/

Karanx7

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Why would the honda manual transmission be more reliable than the acura one?

Either way, you'll hundreds of dollars worth of stuff. Shifter, pedals, handbrake, etc...

Also, I believe the 04 Accord is a DBW, so you'd need to figure that out with the ECU. Not 100% sure though.

idktriple6

It's a 5 speed manual trans and that link is for a CLS 6 speed swap, not an Accord V6 manual. Thank you though. Back in 2001-5, the CL/TL transmissions were all on recall because they weren't engineered properly and if you had a warranty you could get a new transmission. This is why I prefer an Accord V6 for manual, or if you like auto go with a Odyssey auto transmission. The CL/TL trans are unreliable, why would I risk another bad trans if I went with a CL/TL.

Karanx7

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The CL manual transmission has no issues whatsoever. You need to do a lot more homework for the swap.

thoiboi

You're severely misinformed OP.

idktriple6

I am not misinformed. I know the CLS "manual" has no or very little issues. The CL/TL autos are terrible. I can't find a CLS 6 speed. The only one is on ebay for $1500. So i'll stick with the Accord V6.

If I could get a CLS 6 speed, I obviously would if I could afford it. But I can't so this is the option i'm choosing. Plus it's a fun summer project that get to watch my mechanic do.

idktriple6

I came on here for help for a manual Accord V6 swap. Not for people to tell me how hard it is. So please, if you want to help, than please do. If not don't bother.

lateralus

5 speed manual trans are from a 4 cyl accord... never seen a 5 speed v6 accord..

that link would apply if you had your hands on a v6 accord 6 speed trans..

idktriple6

Okay thanks for the info, The person who's selling the trans said it was a 5 speed. But I think if it is a V6, it must be a 6 speed.

teh CL

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There's ALOT more involved then just an ECU swap. Chances are they've dealt with civics/integras in the past which are a completely different ball game, way easier to work with.

In the long run this route is gonna be FAR from cheap or fun. $400 for labour to convert the car to a 6spd?

The wiring alone is gonna soak up soo much damn time that your mechanic is gonna be working for free...




Everyone here is just trying to help you. This swap isn't a walk in the park, no matter what you or your buddies buddies say. We've seen it go down a few times here, ppl have purchased complete CLS6 parts cars to complete a 6 spd swap and STILL have lingering issues. Literally every single harness had to be swapped over from the CLS6 to the auto chassis to have 100% functionality.

Wait and find a CLS6 parts car, they pop up every now and then

idktriple6

Okay thanks, but I already own the 01 CLS and iv'e already stated i'm using a V6 Accord manual trans. I'm not explaining again why I can't get a 03 CLS 6 speed again. Can you please tell me all the harnesses I need for the swap. I know i need the Accord shifter cables and I can pretty much use any clutch pedal from Honda. Also my mechanic is a good friend of mine, that's why the price is the way it is. It's good to know people in the car industry, mechanics, tuners. I get good deals all the time man.

Also my buddy can lower my car for $100 and i'm putting an axle-back exhaust with aftermarket mufflers and tips for $150. I have all the parts already, just needs to be installed. This is all going to be my summer project along with the manual swap.

gnuts

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Here's another swap thread recently done. 02 CL-S auto to 6speed. https://acurazine.com/forums/second-generation-cl-discussion-2000-2003-50/new-owner-cls6-931144/page2/
Have a read and you'll see why everyone keeps saying you need a donor 6speed. There are multiple harnesses you need from the 6 speed, the whole center console, shifter, trim. Where are you going to get those? You also need as I said before, the front cam gear from a 6speed, crank sensor and I'm sure there's more. That's why it makes more financial sense to find a junked CL6 and use it for parts even if labour is free. Read that thread....he says the electrical aspect of the swap is a nightmare and still not everything works. You're naïve about what is involved here. You buddy is going to spend waaaaay more time then he thinks doing this swap, and you're going to end up paying a lot more for parts then you think.

idktriple6

Thanks for the info, but I know what i'm in store for thank you. Still cheaper this way for me, including all the parts. Plus I can get all the parts, i'm not dumb and I know where to look. I am just wondering if I can use Accord V6 parts instead of an 03 CLS. One, because the 03 CLS is rare and hard to find parts for. Also i'm using a "Manual V6 Accord Transmission" anyways, not an 03 CLS. So can i use the axles, ECM, harnesses, cam gears and sensors from a V6 Accord, nobody has answered this question yet.

thoiboi

You keep saying youre not dumb, yet keep asking us for advice...


Sounds like you can figure it all yourself !

teh CL

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If you do get good deals all the time then you shouldn't have an issue finding a wrecked CLS6..

Seriously though, actually think about it unless your in a rush to do this which I don't think is the case since it's a summer project. A full parts car can be had for sub $2k and you'll have EVERYTHING you need parts wise.

The biggest issue is which ecu are you planning on running this set up with?

Karanx7

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No you don't need the cam gear and manual harness. There's a lot of misinformation and confusion, so I'll try to simplify it.

There are two Honda/Acura manual transmission setups:
-03 CL-S6 True Manual
-Everything else

ONLY the 03 CL-S6 true manual setup uses the crank pickup on the flywheel. Every other setup uses the the timing gear as a crank pickup. So if he's going to use the 04 Honda ECU, then he can continue to use his current cam gear and crank pickup. However, he will need to learn the pinout of the 04 Honda Accord ECU and figure out the wiring, as I have no idea what it looks like. I'm pretty sure it is a DBW system though, so you will at least need a new throttle body and throttle pedal setup. He should be able to retain all of his wiring harnesses, and simply repin the engine wire harness (assuming the ECU isn't totally different). He will be running a setup similar to an 04 Acura TL manual.

You will still need to source an 03 CL-S6 shifter, console, and handbrake. I doubt the 04 Accord shifter and console will fit your car.

idktriple6

thoiboi and teh cl, nobody cares about your opinions, so stop commenting if your not going to help and spare me your attitude.

THANK YOU KARANX7 you seem to be the only knowledgeable person on this. Yes it is a DBW system. So I have to find out if the Accord ECU will fit the 01 CLS harnesses right?

idktriple6

Also I read on another forum called V6 Performance.net. That an Accord 4 cylinder console, shift linkage and shifter fit right in his CLS for his swap.

Karanx7

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It's a very slim chance that the plug will fit. There's a zero percent chance all the pins will be correct.

You will need the ECU plug connector, and you will have to repin it. You will need to compare every single pin for both ECUs and make it all work.

idktriple6

I could get an ECM connector or I can use an Accord V6 harness instead, of my CLS harness right?
Either way, that's not a lot of trouble getting one. My mechanic specializes in transmission swaps, so i'm hoping it won't be that big of a deal.

johnboy1313

I got a wrecked 03 CL-S for $1300 and a dead 2000 Odyssey for $300. I'm well over $4k on the build now. While you've got access, you might as well do some routine maintenance like new hoses, new gaskets, new seals, new timing belt, new water pump, thermostat, etc. You're gonna need the ECU, the harness for the ECU, the clutch pedal and switches, the clutch master, the clutch slave, plumbing for the clutch, the clutch, a flywheel, a shifter, the cables for the shifter, don't forget the pilot bushing. Do I need to go on?

idktriple6

I already know what I need thank you. I have the funds for my manual swap in my savings. I just need to decide if i'm using a CLS/TL 6 speed or an Accord V6. Either way I'm pretty much good to go and like I said I get good deals. My 01 CLS was $800 mint interior/exterior off a buddy. Aftermarket wheels and even the triptonic and sunroof work great, which is rare.

idktriple6

Since it's my "Summer Project" I'll hopefully post my results at the end of the summer.

thoiboi

Cool, guess our job is all done here then!!


Should I close the thread now? .

idktriple6

If I run into any trouble, why can't I post here for help. Why do you have to close the thread???

johnboy1313

Ha. Let's give him a chance this time. To the OP, I think you were being sincere with your "hank you". It came off like a dick.

idktriple6

I was being straight forward, so yes sincere.

teh CL

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ImBroke

That's cheap enough to buy as a spare..