A-spec vs. Konis

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 15, 2010 | 01:30 PM
  #1  
mball's Avatar
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 1
From: Savannah, GA
A-spec vs. Konis

I am almost at 50k and it is time for better handling. I enjoy taking corners in my TSX but, am tired of having wheel spin on corner exit from the body lean. I would like to reduce body lean in corners while maintaining a fairly smooth ride on the highway. I am not interested in lowering my car very far. I am trying to decide between the A-spec kit and Konis with stock springs. I like the idea of the A-spec kit but, the reviews on here don't seem great. I like the idea of the Konis because they are adjustable and I can install them on the lowest perch which will stiffen the stock springs. I have Konis on my Miata that I autocross and I am impressed with them. They are fairly comfortable on the softest setting and get hard enough on the hard setting. Has anyone driven cars with both set ups that can give me a comparison? Is there anyone in the Savannah, GA area with either set up?
Reply
Old Feb 15, 2010 | 03:27 PM
  #2  
Red@8's Avatar
heel/toe is my specialty
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 204
Likes: 4
From: YYC / CLE
I have the A-spec right now and it suits my needs for a DD. I will say that the inside wheels still spins endlessly due to the open diff and craptacular oem rubber.

I would guess that if you were to simply change the suspension you will still experience significant wheel spin.
Reply
Old Feb 15, 2010 | 08:15 PM
  #3  
ck123's Avatar
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 808
Likes: 0
From: SF & Davis
i dont know how konis will respond on a tsx but they are very good on the integra chassis. if i lower my tsx, i would not hestitate to use KONI
Reply
Old Feb 15, 2010 | 11:58 PM
  #4  
07tsx's Avatar
Advanced
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 61
Likes: 3
From: Sacramento
Konis are good shock, I have'em on my Tsx+swifts springs. But I think if you are still on oem tires it might not help much. You might want to get a more sticker tires also.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2010 | 01:36 AM
  #5  
mdkxtreme's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,578
Likes: 322
From: Orange County, CA
don't waste your money on aspec. they cost almost the same (like $100 difference). at least with koni you can adjust height and dampening. with aspec, what you see is what you get. if you put the koni on the softest setting, it will pretty much match the comfort of stock suspension but with better handling.

I haven't tried the setting on full firm yet but I set it halfway and it feels sporty.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2010 | 10:40 AM
  #6  
mball's Avatar
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 1
From: Savannah, GA
Originally Posted by Red@8
I have the A-spec right now and it suits my needs for a DD. I will say that the inside wheels still spins endlessly due to the open diff and craptacular oem rubber.

I would guess that if you were to simply change the suspension you will still experience significant wheel spin.
Stiffer suspension should cause the inside wheel to keep more weight on it which should result in better traction. I am running Kumho SPTs, which are a summer tire. The softer compound doesn't seem to slow wheel spin.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2010 | 10:41 AM
  #7  
mball's Avatar
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 1
From: Savannah, GA
Originally Posted by mdkxtreme
don't waste your money on aspec. they cost almost the same (like $100 difference). at least with koni you can adjust height and dampening. with aspec, what you see is what you get. if you put the koni on the softest setting, it will pretty much match the comfort of stock suspension but with better handling.

I haven't tried the setting on full firm yet but I set it halfway and it feels sporty.
I am leaning towards the Konis for their adjustability. Plus tirerack has the 25% off.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2010 | 11:48 AM
  #8  
JTso's Avatar
Senior Moderator
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 7,285
Likes: 9
From: WA
Originally Posted by mball
I am leaning towards the Konis for their adjustability. Plus tirerack has the 25% off.
Keep in mind there are two versions of Konis for the TSX. One from TireRack and One from Neuspeed. The Neupeed one has more height adjustments which is probably what you are looking for.

http://www.neuspeed.com/products/pro...type=ns_import
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2010 | 01:57 PM
  #9  
mdkxtreme's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,578
Likes: 322
From: Orange County, CA
JTSO is right. Try to get the SP3 shocks model. If it says Neuspeed Super Cut Kit, then it's the SP3 model.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2010 | 06:13 PM
  #10  
feuss2's Avatar
10001110101
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 944
Likes: 15
From: Nomadic
Just the Bilstein B12 Tuning Kit. Here's some good reasons:
  • Monotube design
  • Drops a little more than a-spec (35mm Front, 25mm Rear)
  • Slightly firmer than A-Spec
  • Smoother than A-Spec
  • Handles better than A-Spec
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2010 | 11:05 PM
  #11  
mdkxtreme's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,578
Likes: 322
From: Orange County, CA
Originally Posted by feuss2
Just the Bilstein B12 Tuning Kit. Here's some good reasons:
  • Monotube design
  • Drops a little more than a-spec (35mm Front, 25mm Rear)
  • Slightly firmer than A-Spec
  • Smoother than A-Spec
  • Handles better than A-Spec
  • Costs a lot more than A-Spec AND Cup Kit
Fixed
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2010 | 11:27 PM
  #12  
r2ro's Avatar
8th Gear
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
I am almost completely convinced about getting the neuspeed+konis on my 07 TSX, but donot know what perch to select, I read 2nd Front and Medium or 3rd Rear both from top to bottom will give you a one finger gap, but was wondering if any of you guys have photos with this combo to share.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 11:04 AM
  #13  
mball's Avatar
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 1
From: Savannah, GA
Originally Posted by JTso
Keep in mind there are two versions of Konis for the TSX. One from TireRack and One from Neuspeed. The Neupeed one has more height adjustments which is probably what you are looking for.

http://www.neuspeed.com/products/pro...type=ns_import
According to the Koni website (http://www.koni-na.com/cat_search.cf...30&submit.y=12) the part number that tirerack sell has an adjustable spring perch that can lower the car 20mm front and rear. I can't look at the Neuspeed site from work, do they have more height adjustment?

I was refering to the ability to adjust the shocks from soft to hard.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 01:16 PM
  #14  
07tsx's Avatar
Advanced
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 61
Likes: 3
From: Sacramento
The koni sp3 have 5 perch vs regular koni 3 perch.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 01:29 PM
  #15  
OldManTSX's Avatar
Racer
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 404
Likes: 1
From: Northwest Suburbs, IL
I had koni and eibach pro-kits on mine. I had the front set at 0 (middle) and the rear at -1. I thought the height and look was just right.

FYI, I did blow out one of my Konis. Not sure how. I still have to call Koni for warranty (lifetime).
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 03:35 PM
  #16  
Red@8's Avatar
heel/toe is my specialty
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 204
Likes: 4
From: YYC / CLE
Originally Posted by mball
Stiffer suspension should cause the inside wheel to keep more weight on it which should result in better traction. I am running Kumho SPTs, which are a summer tire. The softer compound doesn't seem to slow wheel spin.
"should" being the operative word here. Even with the stiffer suspension I find an incredible amount of inside wheel spin so I can only assume that in my case it is the tires or diff. Since you have the tires eliminated (and suspension?) perhaps it is just the diff. I should also mention that I have tried a few different summer tires on the car and most of them have resulted in significantly less inside wheel spin than the oem's.

If they both cost the same I would also go with the Koni's. For the OP though the suspension may not be the only fix required for the wheel slip issue. Tires would be next on my list if the suspension didnt solve your problem.

Last edited by Red@8; Feb 17, 2010 at 03:39 PM.
Reply
Old Feb 19, 2010 | 10:33 AM
  #17  
mball's Avatar
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 1
From: Savannah, GA
Back to my original questions:

Has anyone driven cars with both set ups that can give me a comparison?
Is there anyone in the Savannah, GA area with either set up?
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 02:07 PM
  #18  
sandman13's Avatar
Intermediate
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
I got nuespeed/koni sp3, nuetral perch up front...tight 1 finger gap, lowest perch in the rear...little over a finger gap, set on the softest setting for now. Handles very well, stock-like, corners like it's on rails. I'm dropped on tein h-techs & also have a progress rsb. All this adds up to a perfect daily driver that handles exceptionally well imho.
Not knocking the aspec or nothing, but a buddy of mine has the aspec on his & after riding along a couple of times I gotta say GO KONI!!! but that's just me
You say you got konis on your miata so I'm pretty sure what I'm saying about the handling rings a bell. Just my 2 cents...happy hunting!
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2010 | 09:59 PM
  #19  
r2ro's Avatar
8th Gear
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by sandman13
I got nuespeed/koni sp3, nuetral perch up front...tight 1 finger gap, lowest perch in the rear...little over a finger gap, set on the softest setting for now. Handles very well, stock-like, corners like it's on rails. I'm dropped on tein h-techs & also have a progress rsb. All this adds up to a perfect daily driver that handles exceptionally well imho.
Not knocking the aspec or nothing, but a buddy of mine has the aspec on his & after riding along a couple of times I gotta say GO KONI!!! but that's just me
You say you got konis on your miata so I'm pretty sure what I'm saying about the handling rings a bell. Just my 2 cents...happy hunting!
Hey Sand man, do you happen to have photos of your Neuspeed/Koni SP3 by any chance?
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2010 | 11:33 PM
  #20  
xaznperswaesonx's Avatar
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 837
Likes: 5
From: Sacto
don't bother with the A SPec kit. get the koni nuespeed. i have that and its well worth the money. I have mines at 0 front and -1 in the rear. perfect stance. Daily driver settings: 1 revolution in the front, .5 revolution in the rear. Rides lovely, still go over speed bump, handles great, but i also have a Comptech/CT engineering rear sway bar with energy suspension polyurathane bushing. All i need is LSD and better tires, i'll be on rails!
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2010 | 10:34 AM
  #21  
mball's Avatar
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 121
Likes: 1
From: Savannah, GA
Originally Posted by xaznperswaesonx
don't bother with the A SPec kit. get the koni nuespeed. i have that and its well worth the money. I have mines at 0 front and -1 in the rear. perfect stance. Daily driver settings: 1 revolution in the front, .5 revolution in the rear. Rides lovely, still go over speed bump, handles great, but i also have a Comptech/CT engineering rear sway bar with energy suspension polyurathane bushing. All i need is LSD and better tires, i'll be on rails!
I think that I am going to get the Konis. Are you using stock springs? Who makes a LSD for the TSX?
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2010 | 03:59 PM
  #22  
xaznperswaesonx's Avatar
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 837
Likes: 5
From: Sacto
Originally Posted by mball
I think that I am going to get the Konis. Are you using stock springs? Who makes a LSD for the TSX?
I'm using the Neuspeed Konis with the neuspeed sport spring. they sell as a set.

LSD you can buy by itself. From what i read, the whole civic SI tranny comes with LSD and is a direct bolt on to our engine. That's my plan if i were to go with a LSD. Also lots of people say that the gearing in the SI is more suitable to performance minded people.

I think you'll like the set up. I was searching for nearly half a year. Was deciding between various set ups. Konis w. hr or eibach spring, tien basic / ss coil over system, aspec, and the neuspeed koni set up/different spring combo.

I ended up getting the neuspeed konis set up. since at that time, the set up is 600. while koni struts were going for 600 w/out the springs. that would have been 800 if i were to go with the koni w/ hr or eibach springs. So it's a no brainer to go with the neuspeed set. 600 for strut and spring + more height adjustments. sell the spring later if you dont like it and pick up another spring.

i don't adjust my height a lot so i dont need coil overs. i love the dampening adjustment on the konis too. i find myself adjusting that more than lowering/raising my car.
Reply
Old Feb 25, 2010 | 06:38 AM
  #23  
feuss2's Avatar
10001110101
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 944
Likes: 15
From: Nomadic
Originally Posted by mdkxtreme
Fixed
Confused between reasons you should buy vs. reasons you should not? You didn't fix anything...
Reply
Old Feb 25, 2010 | 12:14 PM
  #24  
mdkxtreme's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,578
Likes: 322
From: Orange County, CA
Originally Posted by feuss2
Confused between reasons you should buy vs. reasons you should not? You didn't fix anything...
I put it in bold......

Well any ways, I added "Costs a lot more than A-Spec AND Cup Kit"
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
rp_guy
Member Cars for Sale
9
Jul 16, 2017 07:33 AM
jsonkimz
Car Parts for Sale
31
Mar 28, 2016 07:49 PM
08_UA7_Gr33k
Member Cars for Sale
13
Feb 11, 2016 02:17 PM
4drviper
3G TL Tires, Wheels & Suspension
2
Sep 23, 2015 07:42 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:27 AM.