Well, I missed the first 5 minutes of the TV broadcast of the WC TC race @ Infineon yesterday. Throughout the race, the commentator kept talking about additional 50 lbs added to the TSX. So I checked up on the WC website and sure enough, SCCA added 50 lbs to the baseweight of the TSX making it 2700 lbs instead of 2650 lbs. I had a feeling that this was coming.

Anyways, I still think the Realtime guys did an awesome jobs on those cars. And the drivers are good. Kleinubing finished 6th with all that weight (too bad, he gets to keep that weight for the next round too), Davis started from way back and finished 7th, great drive for a rookie. Then Cunningham finished 9th and still leading the overall championship (and he gets to drop some weights for the next round). Hope they'll do good in Portland.

 

I think they're carrying a total of +250lbs now but I've lost track. It's been a great season for them and I think they'll claim the championship when it's over.

I can't wait to see them again at Mosport.

 

Yes, they're carrying the max. REWARDS weight +250 lbs, but I was referring to the vehicle's baseweight. The TSX started out to be 2650 lbs minimum baseweight, but at Infineon their baseweight was 2700 lbs plus the extra 250 lbs REWARDS weight....making them (both Kleinubing and Cunningham) probably the heaviest cars in the field.

 

I bet we'll start to see their RSX's catching up to them. They also run the K24A2 so they've been faster on the straights (smaller hole to punch through the air) but the TSX has been dominating in the corners because of it's suspension setup and wider track. With that much weight difference between them, the RSX's will close the gap.

 

The RSX also received additional 50 lbs to their baseweight. They are now 2650 lbs. IMO, I don't think the RSX isn't that much quicker on the straight than the TSX (given both cars are on their baseweights). But I do agree that TSX can take the RSX in the turns due to the more superior double wishbone front suspension that the TSX has. I still think that Honda made a mistake on going MacPherson struts in the RSX.

 

I think they are trying to help out the BMWs, since this year they are way behind in the points for the first half of the season. But with the REWARDS weight and added 50 on the top Realtime cars, the bimmers should come right back. They just want to level it up, I'm sure a lot of bimmer owners and fans are pissed that Acura is leading the manufacturer points this year (Last year it was clearly BMW). The bad part is you'll probably not see anymore podium finishes for Realtime for the remaining half of the season (unless Kleinubing or Cunningham are racing at a track they are particularly strong at)

 

Why? and I didn't know that was allowed.

 

Rule changes allowed them to make the switch this year. It just gives better torque than the K20 and "was more responsive to tuning" in their words.

I snagged a pic of it when they had the hood open for a few seconds:

 

No wonder the RSX has been more competitive this year.

 

Dan, do you have a pic of the engine bay of this year's Realtime TSX? I have one from last year at Laguna Seca.



A little OT, I want to find out if the Realtime guys are running power steering. From your pic of the RSX, they are. But from my pic of last year's TSX, I don't think they were. I'm debating if I should keep the power steering in the Prelude.

 

I have side profiles and interior shots but nothing of the engine. I'll be sure to take some at mosport.

The rest of my Mid Ohio gallery is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/acurazinedan/sets/409183/

 

Isn't that the PS res. just under the driver side Moton?

 

I don't think so. The location wouldn't be logical for a PS res.

 

I think Moda is right because the brake and clutch reservoirs are in the cabin behind the pedals.

 

I can understand the brake and the clutch, but the PS? Most PS res. are located near the PS pumps. That location in the TSX would be fine if they're using an electrical PS system. Hmm...maybe the Realtime guys are using electrical PS system in the TSX, and mechanical PS systme in the RSX.

 

If you look, the line coming from that PS res. looks to bend and head straight for the knuckle at the rack. That is my only conclusion, noting all other res. are inside the car for cooler temp control.

 

Eric Curran was doing really well, but I think he either succumb to tire wear or had a mechanical issue b/c he faded fast after midway through the race.

How about Bob Stretch running that beat 3.0L I6. Guess he was waiting for a replacement... I couldn't get the Sanford & Son theme out of my head everytime I saw that car.

 

Does the weight stay with them all season or do they loss some if they don't get a podium finish?

 

The base weight is set and can't be changed, but the rewards weight can be changed if they become uncompetitive.

 

how much hp do they make from the TSX?

 

They won't say but I'm guessing it's probably between 280 and 300.

 

I thought I saw somewhere that they were putting out around 270+

 

Nobody has confirmed it, but think about this, with 250lbs of reward weight and they are able to hang with modified 325s, I'd say with confidence they are putting down 280+ Dan is stating.

 

280+ is realistic,since the 2L cars euro league are making 300+

but do they have rev limiter on the car? or free revving?

some of the leagues they have a rev limit on the cars

 

they're limited to 7800 rpm.

 

did they make all that power with just ecu tuning? or was I/H/E all tuned by them?
racing fuel too i assume?
sorry guys im not too familliar with races, though its quite interesting

 

The power adders are:
-12.5:1 compression ratio with racing fuel
-custom cams
-custom intake
-custom header
-custom forged rods and pistons
-custom exhaust (or lack thereof )
-3mm intake heatshield
-non-DBW throttle body port matched to intake
-full MoTeC engine mangement and datalogging

 

- racing stickers (always good for 10HP)

 

that and speed tape.

 

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lol thatll do it. would they be able to add the supercharger when it comes out? or do they have to keep the engine stock for how it came out (ie n/a stays n/a, forced induced stays forced)

 

I take dibs on one of those cars when they retire them.

 

No they can't do forced induction. I think the WRX is the only car in the series running a turbo but it's also heavily restricted. All the cars are putting out about the same power.

The strangest setup is on the Mercedes C230. Normally that car would have a supercharger but they disallowed it and it's now naturally aspirated. They've done some serious engine work to get the power back like 13:1 CR and an 8300rpm redline.

 

One of Moda_Way's friends has one of their old ITRs.

 

ohhh, are these races brocasted in the states in "realtime" sometimes i catch reruns of them on late at night or werid times in the day.

 

They typically air the following week after the race. It costs a lot less to package a show later than to do it live.

 

im assuming its on speed channel?

 

Yes, the races are on Speed channel.

Lately, they have been broadcasting it in the same weekend, not live though.

 

that sucks
if they can do 8500rpm like the british car champ then the TSX will own them all

 

I'm sure the engine wouldn't last for a race screaming at 8500.

 

look at the BTBC league, they set the limit at 8500rpm, no problem going all day long...even stock integra type-R can do it

the BTBC accords are damn fast at the straight, if they can get more rpm then they will be the king