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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 12:51 AM
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Wow, I just raced an M3 and I was suprised how much I kept up... He had me the whole time, but never really pulled away that much. I had the AC off/ VSA off and it was like 50 degrees out.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 01:13 AM
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What else do yo have on your TSX?
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 04:02 AM
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He didn't gain on you much?

They do 0-60 in the mid 5 Range opposed to our high 7 or low 8......
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 06:41 AM
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Wow, I just raced an M3 and I was suprised how much I kept up... He had me the whole time, but never really pulled away that much. I had the AC off/ VSA off and it was like 50 degrees out.
He wasn't trying...

I remember racing along once with a GT3. Actually, I was trying to coax him in showing what he had: I didn't have a show for a very long time, because the guy just left me behind like I was stopped.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 07:13 AM
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He started in 3rd gear man
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 07:48 AM
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He was waiting for you and just tapping the pedal to goat you.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 08:07 AM
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If it was an older auto M3 (poorly maintained) this may be possible, you may have even beat him doing a VTEC launch. 1st and 2nd I can keep up with a S2000 (before reflash) then in 3rd he starts inching away...

The new M3 would spank anything but the DazzMo. HKS TSX. Maybe even a Comptech blower would give him a run for his money...but still may be futile. Fun nonetheless, so I don't blame you for trying...
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 09:00 AM
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If it was an older auto M3 (poorly maintained) this may be possible, you may have even beat him doing a VTEC launch. 1st and 2nd I can keep up with a S2000 (before reflash) then in 3rd he starts inching away...
S2ks can almost run with M3s. S2ks run high 13s, compared to low-mid 13s for e46 M3s (I think). The difference is that an M3 can launch at low RPMs and still pull a good run, whereas if you want to get in the 13s with an S2k, you are going to lose about 5% of the life of your clutch.

Even with a soft launch, the S2k should pull away from a TSX during the 1-2 shift; they are staying in VTEC, and we are lugging in the 4000s waiting to get up to VTEC RPM again. The 1-2 gear ratio difference in the TSX makes it bad for drag racing. In fact, it's bad for everything except 0-60 time. Damn Honda for caring more about magazine times than day-to-day driving.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 11:19 AM
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A/C off and VSA off? Well damn, that should smoke an M3 anyday
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 12:10 PM
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I have driven my sister-in-laws 2004 M3 on several occasions and there is no way the TSX will keep up with the M3.

It's a no contest.

The M3 has a sport mode. It's amazing what a difference it makes. Without sport mode turned on the car is terrific. Turn sport mode on and the gas pedal is so more repsonsive, the clutch bite point is more aggressive - it just becomes an animal.

I still love my TSX though!
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 12:31 PM
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A/C off and VSA off? Well damn, that should smoke an M3 anyday




New mod for the TSX


closing windows now adds 20 whp.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Canyonball
If it was an older auto M3 (poorly maintained) this may be possible, you may have even beat him doing a VTEC launch. 1st and 2nd I can keep up with a S2000 (before reflash) then in 3rd he starts inching away...
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TSX Hokie
S2ks can almost run with M3s. S2ks run high 13s, compared to low-mid 13s for e46 M3s (I think). The difference is that an M3 can launch at low RPMs and still pull a good run, whereas if you want to get in the 13s with an S2k, you are going to lose about 5% of the life of your clutch.

Even with a soft launch, the S2k should pull away from a TSX during the 1-2 shift; they are staying in VTEC, and we are lugging in the 4000s waiting to get up to VTEC RPM again. The 1-2 gear ratio difference in the TSX makes it bad for drag racing. In fact, it's bad for everything except 0-60 time. Damn Honda for caring more about magazine times than day-to-day driving.
Actually, if you're talking professional drivers, S2k's run low 14's, I've never seen a 13sec (stock) s2k posted in MT, C&D etc. You might get a kick out of this as well. on the 1-2 and 2-3 we shifted at almost the exact same time, even while the S2K has 8000rpm redline.

I'm telling you from my experience, who knows, it could've been because the 20 more lbs/ft or he didn't "VTEC launch". But for you to say that it didn't happen, would be very ignorant on your part (no offense) because it did! Simple as that...
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Funny post. A newbie I am to this site, but to racing I'm not... Why don't you read my reply to TSX Hokie... before you start name calling...

I've been tuning/racing for the past 9 years...
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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If the guy had given it just a little effort launching, he was gone.

Nevertheless, I call on your story. A TSX doesn't hang with an S2K until 3rd gear. If it did, there wouldn't be one and a half second discrepancy between the two, because on top of 2nd, you're already halfway down the track, and there's no way the S2K would make a second and a half on the last portion only.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
If the guy had given it just a little effort launching, he was gone.

Nevertheless, I call on your story. A TSX doesn't hang with an S2K until 3rd gear. If it did, there wouldn't be one and a half second discrepancy between the two, because on top of 2nd, you're already halfway down the track, and there's no way the S2K would make a second and a half on the last portion only.


btw...S2Ks got no balls till at least 7000rpm and by that time the M3 is at the next stop light already. If you really want to keep up with a M3 just get a STi.



Orrrrrr a M3 too.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
If the guy had given it just a little effort launching, he was gone.

Nevertheless, I call on your story. A TSX doesn't hang with an S2K until 3rd gear. If it did, there wouldn't be one and a half second discrepancy between the two, because on top of 2nd, you're already halfway down the track, and there's no way the S2K would make a second and a half on the last portion only.
In an S2k, there's a fine line between spinning and hooking up. A little effort is an understatement. Ever hear the saying "Torque wins off the line but hp catches up?" This situation put that phrase into practice. BTW I never said he gave it his all yet alone even knew how to launch his car...
So like I said before, for you to call BS on a factual event is pretty ignorant (no offense). Especially considering "keeping up" is by no means "beating" anything...
Given perfect drivers in our cars and perfect conditions, the S2k would get the hole shot into a walking away... but that simply wasn't the case.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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The guy was my friend, he was trying I have a CAI, Comptech Headers, Greddy EVO2 and Summer tires . He told me afterwards that he was suprised how close the race was...
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Canyonball
In an S2k, there's a fine line between spinning and hooking up. A little effort is an understatement. Ever hear the saying "Torque wins off the line but hp catches up?" This situation put that phrase into practice. BTW I never said he gave it his all yet alone even knew how to launch his car...
So like I said before, for you to call BS on a factual event is pretty ignorant (no offense). Especially considering "keeping up" is by no means "beating" anything...
Given perfect drivers in our cars and perfect conditions, the S2k would get the hole shot into a walking away... but that simply wasn't the case.
Well then don't say you can keep up with an S2K if the guy wasn't trying hard to win the race or launch well. It's just a case of a bad driver vs a better one!

The fact is that a TSX will NOT hang in with an S2K (given equal drivers), EVEN LESS with an M3!!!
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackAc036
The guy was my friend, he was trying I have a CAI, Comptech Headers, Greddy EVO2 and Summer tires . He told me afterwards that he was suprised how close the race was...
Oh, now I understand, the Comptech header was the clincher.
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 04:09 PM
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Well then don't say you can keep up with an S2K if the guy wasn't trying hard to win the race or launch well. It's just a case of a bad driver vs a better one!

The fact is that a TSX will NOT hang in with an S2K (given equal drivers), EVEN LESS with an M3!!!
Oh I'm sorry... I "kept" up...
Lighten up man... I wouldn't post BS stories/comments. BTW, older M3's were as slow as 5.6-5.8 0-60mph. An S2k be be all over that... "Given equal drivers" lol
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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He probably didn't try that hard to race you

One time I passed a new blue (similar to my arctic blue pearl) M3 on the freeway because I was behind him and the lane was slow, but I changed lane pretty quickly and I jammed on the gas right afterwards. He probably thought I was trying to race him, so he chase me tried to pass me and he was easily going 100mph+. I exited the freeway right away knowing I got my ass handed to me on a plate
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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This is starting to become like those "SRT4 is the world's fastest car" threads. As a typical SRT4 owner would say "I hung with a Viper today" or "I beat a STi with just a CAI"

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Originally Posted by BlackAc036
Wow, I just raced an M3 and I was suprised how much I kept up... He had me the whole time, but never really pulled away that much. I had the AC off/ VSA off and it was like 50 degrees out.


https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21950
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 09:54 PM
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If this was an e46 m3 there is no chance of a tsx keeping up with it. My mom has an e46 m3 and if she was actually trying to race my tsx she would be gone she would be so far ahead that I probably would not even see her car anymore

M3 6spd=stock engine and stock exhaust

TSX 6spd=injen cold air intake, dc sports header, dc sports exhaust
Old Apr 30, 2005 | 11:56 PM
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This is fuckin hilarious, why would I lie about racing a car that beat me... I was just suprised by the performance and the fact that he did beat me as brutally as I thought he would.
Old May 1, 2005 | 12:03 AM
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Your story is true........if only you had a 350z twin turbo, that should smoke that M3 real bad!
Old May 1, 2005 | 02:24 AM
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You lie to much. A TSX cant keep up with a 300+hp M3, go kick yourself.
Old May 1, 2005 | 02:44 AM
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Please hear me when I say this "It wasn't a close race, BUT I was suprised that he didn;t blow me out of the water, I expected him to beat me brutally! He beat me by a lot, but not as much as I expected... I am never posting anything like this again, it attracts haters. (JUST CLOSE THE THREAD)
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Yeah, to many stupid people who can't read your post.
Old May 1, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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