Heel-Toe to top of accelerator?

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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 06:57 PM
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Heel-Toe to top of accelerator?

Since the TSX accelerator is hinged at the bottom, I've found it easier to heel-toe the top of the accelerator with the right side of the ball of my foot or small toes while braking with the left side of the ball of my foot.

What are others doing? (with stock pedals)

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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 07:02 PM
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that's what i do with my friend's tsx. it may seem abnormal this way, but you get used to it after a while, no problems where.

or you can just brake using the top-right corner tip portion of the brake pedal using the other way (kinda dangerous if you miss ).

edit: there is no 'right' way. there's only a wrong way, when you F up and crash the car
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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I have no problem doing heel-toe the "right" way.....with toe on the brake and heel on the accelerator.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by vwong
I have no problem doing heel-toe the "right" way.....with toe on the brake and heel on the accelerator.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by vwong
I have no problem doing heel-toe the "right" way.....with toe on the brake and heel on the accelerator.
I can't do it for the life of me on my TSX. I have no problem doing my friends prelude or s2000 the right way, but something about the TSX pedals beats me.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by xizor
I can't do it for the life of me on my TSX. I have no problem doing my friends prelude or s2000 the right way, but something about the TSX pedals beats me.
Looks like a mixed bag. I just find the leverage works out better at the top of the pedal and I can be more acura(te). I also think that the electronic throttle system helps out a bit on blips, as they seem to hang longer than a cable-throttle system on other cars. Maybe that levels the field between the top of the pedal and the bottom.

I think another factor is that I'm a long-legged 6'4", and my knees are a little too bent to make the ankle acrobatics comfortable. Easier to just roll my foot from halfway off the brake pedal.

Anyway, thanks for the input.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 09:17 PM
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i use heel on brake, keeping it constant, then using it as the pivet point and toeing the throttle.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 11:22 PM
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I had an S2000 before the TSX. That was the heel and toe champ. I use the same method in both cars:

Inside of right toe & ball area of shoe on the brake. Lower ball (right side) to outer half of the heel of the shoe on the gas.

Works for me. Then again, I am a better driver than most. My certifications:

Bondurant School of High Performance Driving : High Performance Driving, Intro to Road Racing, Advanced Road Racing

Porsche Driving Experience : High Performace Driving (2 Day), Masters Course
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kurt_bradley
I had an S2000 before the TSX. That was the heel and toe champ. I use the same method in both cars:

Inside of right toe & ball area of shoe on the brake. Lower ball (right side) to outer half of the heel of the shoe on the gas.

Works for me. Then again, I am a better driver than most. My certifications:

Bondurant School of High Performance Driving : High Performance Driving, Intro to Road Racing, Advanced Road Racing

Porsche Driving Experience : High Performace Driving (2 Day), Masters Course
It takes a special kind of jerk to say he's better then most. Listing creds is one thing but jeeesh.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kurt_bradley
I had an S2000 before the TSX. That was the heel and toe champ. I use the same method in both cars:

Inside of right toe & ball area of shoe on the brake. Lower ball (right side) to outer half of the heel of the shoe on the gas.

Works for me. Then again, I am a better driver than most. My certifications:

Bondurant School of High Performance Driving : High Performance Driving, Intro to Road Racing, Advanced Road Racing

Porsche Driving Experience : High Performace Driving (2 Day), Masters Course
Thanks! Now know how to heel-toe shift if I want to drive like a real-life asshole.

How exactly does money spent on driving school demonstrate driving talent? Remember: Bush went to Yale, and he's a dumbass.

/Feeding trolls is ok as long as you feed them poison, right?
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kurt_bradley
I had an S2000 before the TSX. That was the heel and toe champ. I use the same method in both cars:

Inside of right toe & ball area of shoe on the brake. Lower ball (right side) to outer half of the heel of the shoe on the gas.

Works for me. Then again, I am a better driver than most. My certifications:

Bondurant School of High Performance Driving : High Performance Driving, Intro to Road Racing, Advanced Road Racing

Porsche Driving Experience : High Performace Driving (2 Day), Masters Course
lol, nothing like proclaiming "IM BETTER THEN YOU!"

You must have some tiny feet. If I put the tip of my toe on the brake and rotate my heel to the right, I end up hitting the side panel. Size 13

I've found it better to just hang my foot off the brake on the left side and blip the throttle with my right side...
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kurt_bradley
Bondurant School of High Performance Driving : High Performance Driving, Intro to Road Racing, Advanced Road Racing

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I've taken the first 2 of these courses, plus a customized course set up for our group that consisted of 1 day in class and 3 days of racing c5 corvettes with an instructor to jump in every couple laps.

I would have to say that it DOES make you a better driver, the money spent is ridiculous i could say, but it sure does make a difference. i would have to say that my knowledge/skill doubled after bondurants. so maybe you guys didnt like how he worded it, but most of it is true.

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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 03:38 PM
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I've been heel-toeing for awhile now, but I still cant totally perfect my heel toe techniques on the TSX. Its more of a Big-Toe - Little-Toe Technique. The gas pedal on the TSX is so low that I tend to under rev the motor sometimes. Add double clutching to that, and it makes it so much more difficult.

The pedal design on the TSX does make it a little tough. My previous car, which was a 99 Civic Si, was awesome. Pedal placement was perfect.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyg
It takes a special kind of jerk to say he's better then most. Listing creds is one thing but jeeesh.
jimmyg --->

waterrockets --->

Both you guys haven't posted much, that's obvious from your post counts... but you haven't read much on the forum either?

What kurt_bradley wrote in this one may offend those who haven't come across to appreciate his knowledge from his other posts, but I for one believes him and believes that those courses do improve your driving skill, unless the person going to the course is actually a complete jerk with a real attitude problem, then won't learn a bit.

However, I don't get the method he desscribed nonetheless... pictures please kurt?

I've been using the "standard" heel-toe method where toe-on-brake, pivot on toe, heel-on-gas. Works fine on all the MT cars I've driven... Prelude, 325i, TSX. Shoe size must play a big role in how a person can heel-toe.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by joerockt
lol, nothing like proclaiming "IM BETTER THEN YOU!"

You must have some tiny feet. If I put the tip of my toe on the brake and rotate my heel to the right, I end up hitting the side panel. Size 13

I've found it better to just hang my foot off the brake on the left side and blip the throttle with my right side...
I was thinking this might be my problem. I'm "only" a 12, but still... it's a clumsy 12
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 05_TSX_GP
Both you guys haven't posted much, that's obvious from your post counts... but you haven't read much on the forum either?
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I for one believes him and believes that those courses do improve your driving skill
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Yeah, (just got my TSX 2 weeks ago). Does that just mean I missed out on how he's lacking social skills, but occasionally has useful information?

I don't doubt driving schools improve skill, and I hope to attend one at some point myself. But don't confuse skill with talent. My comment was directed at talent, which was implied by the attitude of the post.

For example, I'm a very skilled cyclist, but my talent is about average, so I never "made it big" in racing. It just comes naturally to too many people. I can show up at a club ride and own most folks, but against elite riders, I couldn't ever attain the necessary fitness. Even when I used to ride 400 miles a week. School and practice can't make up for it.

I don't need a list of driving schools from somebody for them to tell me how they heel-toe a TSX. It just piles stink onto what could be a useful post.

Now, if he wanted to explain how different instructors at the driving schools covered heel-toe techniques with various pedal configurations, that would be very useful information. Instead, we just got a "neener neener."

/doesn't feel pwn3d, sorry
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Old Jul 1, 2005 | 06:13 AM
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Yeah, (just got my TSX 2 weeks ago). Does that just mean I missed out on how he's lacking social skills, but occasionally has useful information?
lol... yeah you must be new. "occasionally" is the understatement of the year considering he is probably the most knowledgable user on the forum.

Originally Posted by waterrockets
For example, I'm a very skilled cyclist, but my talent is about average, so I never "made it big" in racing. It just comes naturally to too many people. I can show up at a club ride and own most folks, but against elite riders, I couldn't ever attain the necessary fitness. Even when I used to ride 400 miles a week. School and practice can't make up for it.
I don't want to fall into your boat of trying to insult people I don't know but dude... you sound like far more of an arrogant asshole in this paragraph then Dan's qualifying statement. You don't think you are boasting by telling us... oh I ride 400 miles a week, look how cool I am.
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Old Jul 1, 2005 | 06:46 AM
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lol Edit: replace "Dan" with "Kurt"
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Old Jul 1, 2005 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TSX.Fury
I don't want to fall into your boat of trying to insult people I don't know but dude... you sound like far more of an arrogant asshole in this paragraph then Dan's qualifying statement. You don't think you are boasting by telling us... oh I ride 400 miles a week, look how cool I am.
<sigh> I said that even when I rode 400 miles a week, I wasn't fast enough, because I lacked talent. That's boasting? That's like saying I took 4 years of physics and just didn't get it.

Anyway, I think I'm done being retarded in this thread:
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Old Jul 1, 2005 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
<sigh> I said that even when I rode 400 miles a week, I wasn't fast enough, because I lacked talent. That's boasting? That's like saying I took 4 years of physics and just didn't get it.

Anyway, I think I'm done being retarded in this thread:
Good that you are done! Now get outta here and go ride ur bike or go drive ur TSX Just stop stinking up the place here.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 07:58 AM
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waterrockets, if it can be of any value, Kurt not only has the credentials but has actually already competed in road racing series such as the SCCA World Touring Car Challenge.

He also work at an Acura dealership, one of his job having been service manager. We often get pretty valuable info from him.

The ego may be big, but at least he can back it up. As internet discussion forums are an attention thing for many users, where's the problem in that?
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 08:29 AM
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the only way i can make it work is using my heel for the brake, and the ball of my foot on the gas during blipping.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 05_TSX_GP
...What kurt_bradley wrote in this one may offend those who haven't come across to appreciate his knowledge from his other posts, but I for one believes him and believes that those courses do improve your driving skill, unless the person going to the course is actually a complete jerk with a real attitude problem, then won't learn a bit....
I like Kurt as much as the next guy, but that post did come off as arrogant. Maybe it's just me. Oh wait... it's not just me.

On topic: I have problems heel-toeing because my heel hits the hinge.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by afici0nad0
the only way i can make it work is using my heel for the brake, and the ball of my foot on the gas during blipping.
Do you have big feet too?
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