Focus SVT put me to shame
11-19-2003, 12:50 PM
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All i got to say is , Your an idiot
If you severely handicap yourself in any competition against an evenly matched opponent, expect to lose.
11-19-2003, 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by TSX Hokie
I think that's a little extreme. The only 'idiotic' thing NJtsx did was try to race with 300+ pounds of extra weight in his car. The point of this thread is not that the TSX is slow, or luxury car owners are better people than sport compact drivers, its this:
If you severely handicap yourself in any competition against an evenly matched opponent, expect to lose.
I think that's a little extreme. The only 'idiotic' thing NJtsx did was try to race with 300+ pounds of extra weight in his car. The point of this thread is not that the TSX is slow, or luxury car owners are better people than sport compact drivers, its this:
If you severely handicap yourself in any competition against an evenly matched opponent, expect to lose.
Here are Specs from car and driver
SVT:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=3951
For SVT 0-60 7.8 sec.
TSX:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=2
For TSX 0-60 7.2 sec. (Look about middle of page)
I am going to believe Car & Driver over anyone any day.
Specs don't lie PEOPLE DO
11-19-2003, 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by illmeltxwithyou
Here are Specs from car and driver
SVT:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=3951
For SVT 0-60 7.8 sec.
TSX:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=2
For TSX 0-60 7.2 sec. (Look about middle of page)
I am going to believe Car & Driver over anyone any day.
Specs don't lie PEOPLE DO
Here are Specs from car and driver
SVT:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=3951
For SVT 0-60 7.8 sec.
TSX:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=2
For TSX 0-60 7.2 sec. (Look about middle of page)
I am going to believe Car & Driver over anyone any day.
Specs don't lie PEOPLE DO
11-19-2003, 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by gilboman
that doesnt mean much at all, the focus bit they didnt even mention if they timed that or estimated and when it was done. and TSX times have HUGE variations from different mags... Specs don't lie but also don't mean anything because anything can happen on the streets.
that doesnt mean much at all, the focus bit they didnt even mention if they timed that or estimated and when it was done. and TSX times have HUGE variations from different mags... Specs don't lie but also don't mean anything because anything can happen on the streets.
Im just proving that guy didnt either know what he was doing or he is lying , he had a 6mt and so did the other guy. He just made it sound like the car ate him alive. Its annoying
Oh and don't give me about est. times. Its about a second quicker either way its still slower. I hate morons
11-19-2003, 05:07 PM
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MOST TSX 0-60 times have been 7.8 to 8.1. The quickest time was the 7.2 that you quoted. We've also seen 7.1 sec times for the SVT and never slower than 7.8. So what on gods earth are you talking about exactly?
Do some research before calling people morons.
Do some research before calling people morons.
11-19-2003, 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by domn
MOST TSX 0-60 times have been 7.8 to 8.1. The quickest time was the 7.2 that you quoted. We've also seen 7.1 sec times for the SVT and never slower than 7.8. So what on gods earth are you talking about exactly?
Do some research before calling people morons.
MOST TSX 0-60 times have been 7.8 to 8.1. The quickest time was the 7.2 that you quoted. We've also seen 7.1 sec times for the SVT and never slower than 7.8. So what on gods earth are you talking about exactly?
Do some research before calling people morons.
I want proof not your opinion, i gave you guys proof... Now do the same
Oh and my point maybe if you read the guys origonal thread you would see that he said he raced him twice and the second time he gave him a head start and still kicked his ass. He also said that the guy had basicly no mods. I'm saying either the guy is lying or he just doesnt know how to drive his car yet. And yes I hate morons.
11-19-2003, 05:22 PM
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I don't trust most magazines or estimates from them. The variations from one publication to another annoys me enough to put those numbers as references and not as hard facts.
Junkster, who depends on Car magazine from England for most of his information.
Junkster, who depends on Car magazine from England for most of his information.
11-19-2003, 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by illmeltxwithyou
Im just proving that guy didnt either know what he was doing or he is lying , he had a 6mt and so did the other guy. He just made it sound like the car ate him alive. Its annoying
Oh and don't give me about est. times. Its about a second quicker either way its still slower. I hate morons
Im just proving that guy didnt either know what he was doing or he is lying , he had a 6mt and so did the other guy. He just made it sound like the car ate him alive. Its annoying
Oh and don't give me about est. times. Its about a second quicker either way its still slower. I hate morons
11-19-2003, 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by gilboman
perhaps you are the moron? no way the TSX is a sec quicker...i would call them even from 0-60.... but he had 2 passengers...assume they weight 150 each..that is 300lb already, assume both drivers are same weight and cancel each other out..you have a 3500lb(3200curb +300 of 2 passengers) tsx vs a 2750lb SVT focus... there is more than a 20% weight difference... 750lb is a huge difference for any car let alone a 4banger with only 170 torque and 200hp.... and there is still the skill of the driver to take into account as well and launch. but i don't really understand why you think he would lie about losing so badly to a focus
perhaps you are the moron? no way the TSX is a sec quicker...i would call them even from 0-60.... but he had 2 passengers...assume they weight 150 each..that is 300lb already, assume both drivers are same weight and cancel each other out..you have a 3500lb(3200curb +300 of 2 passengers) tsx vs a 2750lb SVT focus... there is more than a 20% weight difference... 750lb is a huge difference for any car let alone a 4banger with only 170 torque and 200hp.... and there is still the skill of the driver to take into account as well and launch. but i don't really understand why you think he would lie about losing so badly to a focus
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About this moron stuff..... IMHO usually the most moronic possible thing is to call someone else a moron.
I try to take care of this by calling myself a moron. I figure that pretty well covers it.
I try to take care of this by calling myself a moron. I figure that pretty well covers it.
11-19-2003, 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by larchmont
About this moron stuff..... IMHO usually the most moronic possible thing is to call someone else a moron.
I try to take care of this by calling myself a moron. I figure that pretty well covers it.
About this moron stuff..... IMHO usually the most moronic possible thing is to call someone else a moron.
I try to take care of this by calling myself a moron. I figure that pretty well covers it.
HMMMM that statement was almost pointless !!!
What is this world coming to
11-19-2003, 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by illmeltxwithyou
I want proof not your opinion, i gave you guys proof... Now do the same
I want proof not your opinion, i gave you guys proof... Now do the same
Motortrend Magazine - 7.9 sec (July 03)
Car and Driver - 7.2 sec (July 03)
Sport Compact Mag - 7.8 sec (Aug 03)
Edmunds.com - 8.3 sec (posted 8/5/03)
MSN Canada - 8.75 sec
Need more proof? The TSX is slow 0-60, live with it.
11-19-2003, 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by domn
Automobile Magazine - 8.1 sec (Oct 03)
Motortrend Magazine - 7.9 sec (July 03)
Car and Driver - 7.2 sec (July 03)
Sport Compact Mag - 7.8 sec (Aug 03)
Edmunds.com - 8.3 sec (posted 8/5/03)
MSN Canada - 8.75 sec
Need more proof? The TSX is slow 0-60, live with it.
Automobile Magazine - 8.1 sec (Oct 03)
Motortrend Magazine - 7.9 sec (July 03)
Car and Driver - 7.2 sec (July 03)
Sport Compact Mag - 7.8 sec (Aug 03)
Edmunds.com - 8.3 sec (posted 8/5/03)
MSN Canada - 8.75 sec
Need more proof? The TSX is slow 0-60, live with it.
links!!!!!! i gave links... and canada , different emitions, doesnt count.
and give all the SVT ones too. and try to stick with the same mag for each car thats what I did.
11-19-2003, 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by illmeltxwithyou
links!!!!!! i gave links... and canada , different emitions, doesnt count.
and give all the SVT ones too. and try to stick with the same mag for each car thats what I did.
links!!!!!! i gave links... and canada , different emitions, doesnt count.
and give all the SVT ones too. and try to stick with the same mag for each car thats what I did.
Ya, thats it I pulled them all out of a hat.
I'm done here.
11-19-2003, 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by domn
Lets see I have 2800+ posts. I've been here since Dec of 02 and I'm making these numbers up?
Ya, thats it I pulled them all out of a hat.
I'm done here.
Lets see I have 2800+ posts. I've been here since Dec of 02 and I'm making these numbers up?
Ya, thats it I pulled them all out of a hat.
I'm done here.
haha thats what i thought
11-19-2003, 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by TinkySD
two more points of reference track times from users
kurt: 15.5 @90 (est: 7.3 0-60)
sauceman: 15.4@91 (est: 7.4 0-60)
two more points of reference track times from users
kurt: 15.5 @90 (est: 7.3 0-60)
sauceman: 15.4@91 (est: 7.4 0-60)
Canada has different emissions??? I have a funny feeling the TSX in the US and Canada are exactly the same.
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Originally posted by domn
Yes Tinky, but Mr.illmeltxwithyou, wants mag times so thats what I gave him.
Canada has different emissions??? I have a funny feeling the TSX in the US and Canada are exactly the same.
Yes Tinky, but Mr.illmeltxwithyou, wants mag times so thats what I gave him.
Canada has different emissions??? I have a funny feeling the TSX in the US and Canada are exactly the same.
I thought you were done here? And actually im sure if you looked online you could find that the emitions for the USA and Canada are different. YOu know what happens when they're different? It slightly changes the car performance. Anyways I showed you links to the mag. I expect for you to do the same and if you great. I'm not proving that the TSX is really any faster but, about the same. If you are wondering what my point is read my other post on this thread you'll understand. If you don't show the links then fine you've prooven nothing.
Specs dont lie PEOPLE DO.
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Wow. I've last been here at 4:00AM this morning and 2 pages have added with illmeltxwithyou tangling up with just about anybody, including Larchmont. HEY, DON'T YOU TOUCH LARCH!!
Now, you also say emissions are different between Canada and US on the TSX. As far as I know, this is BS. And I don't have to prove it to you, you prove what you just wrote with a good reference.
Until then, :noob:
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Now, you also say emissions are different between Canada and US on the TSX. As far as I know, this is BS. And I don't have to prove it to you, you prove what you just wrote with a good reference.
Until then, :noob:
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Originally posted by sauceman
Wow. I've last been here at 4:00AM this morning and 2 pages have added with illmeltxwithyou tangling up with just about anybody, including Larchmont. HEY, DON'T YOU TOUCH LARCH!!
Now, you also say emissions are different between Canada and US on the TSX. As far as I know, this is BS. And I don't have to prove it to you, you prove what you just wrote with a good reference.
Until then, :noob:
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Wow. I've last been here at 4:00AM this morning and 2 pages have added with illmeltxwithyou tangling up with just about anybody, including Larchmont. HEY, DON'T YOU TOUCH LARCH!!
Now, you also say emissions are different between Canada and US on the TSX. As far as I know, this is BS. And I don't have to prove it to you, you prove what you just wrote with a good reference.
Until then, :noob:
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LOL I donno actually about that i just guessed on that one, but im assuming you are too? Oh right,
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Originally posted by gilboman
perhaps you are the moron? no way the TSX is a sec quicker...i would call them even from 0-60 and you didnt give proof, you took the best time for TSX and Worse time for a SVT focus..... but he had 2 passengers...assume they weight 150 each..that is 300lb already, assume both drivers are same weight and cancel each other out..you have a 3500lb(3200curb +300 of 2 passengers) tsx vs a 2750lb SVT focus... there is more than a 20% weight difference... 750lb is a huge difference for any car let alone a 4banger with only 170 torque and 200hp.... and there is still the skill of the driver to take into account as well and launch. but i don't really understand why you think he would lie about losing so badly to a focus
perhaps you are the moron? no way the TSX is a sec quicker...i would call them even from 0-60 and you didnt give proof, you took the best time for TSX and Worse time for a SVT focus..... but he had 2 passengers...assume they weight 150 each..that is 300lb already, assume both drivers are same weight and cancel each other out..you have a 3500lb(3200curb +300 of 2 passengers) tsx vs a 2750lb SVT focus... there is more than a 20% weight difference... 750lb is a huge difference for any car let alone a 4banger with only 170 torque and 200hp.... and there is still the skill of the driver to take into account as well and launch. but i don't really understand why you think he would lie about losing so badly to a focus
Nobody like's losing, but make sure you pick a fair fight. Personally if I had 2 passengers in my TSX I would have played with the kid in the SVT, but not have taken the challenge.I have a punk kid in a Ford Probe GT with an exhaust, 18" wheels and ?? other mods in my neighborhood and he's always looking to race. I blew him away once, but have seen him eye me up on a couple other occasions when I had passengers in the car. I ignore him now, he's pissed cuz all I do now is smile and wave.
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Originally posted by 35kcdn
Gilbo said it. 750 lbs is the difference. If you want to race something you feel like might be close, make sure its the other guy with the disadvantage and then you'll feel good about racing and winning ( if you figure your driving skills are there). Nobody like's losing, but make sure you pick a fair fight. Personally if I had 2 passengers in my TSX I would have played with the kid in the SVT, but not have taken the challenge.
I have a punk kid in a Ford Probe GT with an exhaust, 18" wheels and ?? other mods in my neighborhood and he's always looking to race. I blew him away once, but have seen him eye me up on a couple other occasions when I had passengers in the car. I ignore him now, he's pissed cuz all I do now is smile and wave.
Gilbo said it. 750 lbs is the difference. If you want to race something you feel like might be close, make sure its the other guy with the disadvantage and then you'll feel good about racing and winning ( if you figure your driving skills are there).
Nobody like's losing, but make sure you pick a fair fight. Personally if I had 2 passengers in my TSX I would have played with the kid in the SVT, but not have taken the challenge.I have a punk kid in a Ford Probe GT with an exhaust, 18" wheels and ?? other mods in my neighborhood and he's always looking to race. I blew him away once, but have seen him eye me up on a couple other occasions when I had passengers in the car. I ignore him now, he's pissed cuz all I do now is smile and wave.
Your opening thread made it sound alot worse than what you are saying now, i donno i just think its b/s. I guess thats my american write. Anything this subject is getting boring. I proved what i said i would why should i care what anyone else thinks
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ok enough already. I didnt start this thread to start name calling. Morons, idiots.....grow up!
SVT is faster...bottom line.
And to the tool who called me idiotic and a maron.....
come to Jersey...and we`ll take care of all this and we`ll shut you up...
SVT is faster...bottom line.
And to the tool who called me idiotic and a maron.....
come to Jersey...and we`ll take care of all this and we`ll shut you up...
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Originally posted by illmeltxwithyou
Your opening thread made it sound alot worse than what you are saying now, i donno i just think its b/s. I guess thats my american write. Anything this subject is getting boring. I proved what i said i would why should i care what anyone else thinks
Your opening thread made it sound alot worse than what you are saying now, i donno i just think its b/s. I guess thats my american write. Anything this subject is getting boring. I proved what i said i would why should i care what anyone else thinks
In my post I did agree with Gilbo which may be a first
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Originally posted by illmeltxwithyou
Your opening thread made it sound alot worse than what you are saying now, i donno i just think its b/s. I guess thats my american write. Anything this subject is getting boring. I proved what i said i would why should i care what anyone else thinks
Your opening thread made it sound alot worse than what you are saying now, i donno i just think its b/s. I guess thats my american write. Anything this subject is getting boring. I proved what i said i would why should i care what anyone else thinks
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
INTERNET THUGSZ ON THE LOOSE! 
INTERNET THUGSZ ON THE LOOSE!
might as well try to get this thread to 200 posts......so..........
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BTW how are you doing 1sicklex? Read about your crash on a-cl ?
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BTW how are you doing 1sicklex? Read about your crash on a-cl ?
11-19-2003, 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by illmeltxwithyou
I thought you were done here? And actually im sure if you looked online you could find that the emitions for the USA and Canada are different. YOu know what happens when they're different? It slightly changes the car performance. Anyways I showed you links to the mag. I expect for you to do the same and if you great. I'm not proving that the TSX is really any faster but, about the same. If you are wondering what my point is read my other post on this thread you'll understand. If you don't show the links then fine you've prooven nothing.
Specs dont lie PEOPLE DO.
I thought you were done here? And actually im sure if you looked online you could find that the emitions for the USA and Canada are different. YOu know what happens when they're different? It slightly changes the car performance. Anyways I showed you links to the mag. I expect for you to do the same and if you great. I'm not proving that the TSX is really any faster but, about the same. If you are wondering what my point is read my other post on this thread you'll understand. If you don't show the links then fine you've prooven nothing.
Specs dont lie PEOPLE DO.
Does anyone else here disagree with the numbers I've posted?
I doubt anyone will, why because they've been here a while and have seen all these numbers before, its really no secret.
But since you insist (I can't believe I wasted my time on this Noob) Here are some links.
Here's the link to a thread from this site discussing the MT article. I actually scanned the article in for the site so you can see the times.
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=373&highlight=Motortren d
Here's the link to Edmunds. You'll see the 8.3
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/acur...alpage=page001
Here's the thread showing the Automobile mag scan. Take a look at the 8.1
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...&threadid=2402
Here's the msn.ca review. You'll have to read the article to find the times.
http://autos.en.msn.ca/vip/job.aspx?...=10104&src=vip
And finally here's the Sport Compact Car Test thread, again with a scan of the numbers.
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...rt+Compact+Car
While I agree that US and Candian emissions may vary, I'm sure Honda designed the TSX and pratically all of its others vehicles to be emissions compliant in the US AND Canada, this keep costs down.
Now :noob:
11-19-2003, 11:06 PM
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Noobs :shakehd:
Does anyone else here disagree with the numbers I've posted?
I doubt anyone will, why because they've been here a while and have seen all these numbers before, its really no secret.
But since you insist (I can't believe I wasted my time on this Noob) Here are some links.
Here's the link to a thread from this site discussing the MT article. I actually scanned the article in for the site so you can see the times.
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=373&highlight=Motortren d
Here's the link to Edmunds. You'll see the 8.3
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/acur...alpage=page001
Here's the thread showing the Automobile mag scan. Take a look at the 8.1
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...&threadid=2402
Here's the msn.ca review. You'll have to read the article to find the times.
http://autos.en.msn.ca/vip/job.aspx?...=10104&src=vip
And finally here's the Sport Compact Car Test thread, again with a scan of the numbers.
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...rt+Compact+Car
While I agree that US and Candian emissions may vary, I'm sure Honda designed the TSX and pratically all of its others vehicles to be emissions compliant in the US AND Canada, this keep costs down.
Now :noob:
Noobs :shakehd:
Does anyone else here disagree with the numbers I've posted?
I doubt anyone will, why because they've been here a while and have seen all these numbers before, its really no secret.
But since you insist (I can't believe I wasted my time on this Noob) Here are some links.
Here's the link to a thread from this site discussing the MT article. I actually scanned the article in for the site so you can see the times.
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=373&highlight=Motortren d
Here's the link to Edmunds. You'll see the 8.3
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/acur...alpage=page001
Here's the thread showing the Automobile mag scan. Take a look at the 8.1
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...&threadid=2402
Here's the msn.ca review. You'll have to read the article to find the times.
http://autos.en.msn.ca/vip/job.aspx?...=10104&src=vip
And finally here's the Sport Compact Car Test thread, again with a scan of the numbers.
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...rt+Compact+Car
While I agree that US and Candian emissions may vary, I'm sure Honda designed the TSX and pratically all of its others vehicles to be emissions compliant in the US AND Canada, this keep costs down.
Now :noob:
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Originally posted by sauceman
Wow. I've last been here at 4:00AM this morning and 2 pages have added with illmeltxwithyou tangling up with just about anybody, including Larchmont. HEY, DON'T YOU TOUCH LARCH!!.....
Wow. I've last been here at 4:00AM this morning and 2 pages have added with illmeltxwithyou tangling up with just about anybody, including Larchmont. HEY, DON'T YOU TOUCH LARCH!!.....
Actually I didn't have a problem about him, I just thought he'd be more effective if he expressed himself a little differently.
(Well, OK, if you wanna know the truth, I just felt slighted that he didn't call ME a moron.)
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Originally posted by larchmont
I try to take care of this by calling myself a moron. I figure that pretty well covers it.
I try to take care of this by calling myself a moron. I figure that pretty well covers it.
What's interesting is that "pre-owned" probably has a totally different meaning in the context of Internet boards.
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
INTERNET THUGSZ ON THE LOOSE!
INTERNET THUGSZ ON THE LOOSE!