Tried a search on this but didn't find anything. Hopefully you AT guys can understand my question. Sometimes when I am in SS mode, say running at 2000 rpm, and then I floor it, the rpm climbs to about 3000 but hangs there, hence I'm not accelerating. If I kick it over the D the rpms start climbing as expected.

Is this normal for the SS? Last time I got my car serviced I asked the service guy about it and he seemed to think it was normal, but I wasn't sure he knew what I was talking about.

Thanks,
TZ

 

Not normal at all. You should be able to climb to redline in each gear.

 

This is indeed not normal. Have one of the technicians look at it. The service guys don't always know that much...

 

I think I have the same issue. I was just playing around in SS mode when I was merging onto the highway to see if I could feel any difference in acceleration and the car seemed to not want to pass 3000 rpms, so I would have to shift up to get some kind of acceleration. And if I did move it back to D, then the RPMs would climb like crazy.

I'll test this again tomorrow since I drove my Integra to work.

 

Thanks guys, I'm taking the car in for the 10,000 mile service tonight, so I'll have them check it out. I may ask to take one of their TSX loaners for a spin while I wait to see if it has the same issue.

@virtualbong:
Yep, that is when I experience it too, merging on the highway. You switch to D and the rpms climb, and you can even switch it back to SS and the car responds the same if you are above 3000 rpms. I have a 2005 and I believe you do too, I hope it is not something done intentionally to the 2005 models.

TZ

 

What speed are you going at when this happens?

If you downshift to 3rd on the freeway, do you get good acceleration then?

 

Hey virtualbong... changed your avatar again, almost threw me off...

That definitely doesn't sound normal at all! When we had the RSX 5AT, SS never stopped me from revving past whatever rpm (barring redline rev limiter).

If it keeps doing that, bring it in and have technicians check it out and fix.

Good luck with that guys!

 

I'll do some extensive experimenting when I get off work, but I believe I'd be going about 40 mph or so with the rpms below 3000, then punch it when merging onto the highway, and the rpms stay at 3000.

I do believe downshifting to 3rd or 4th at that point gives good acceleration, because the rpms go above 3000 and flooring it causes the rpms to climb like crazy.

TZ

 

You guys don't understand how disappointed I felt when it didn't give me that slight feeling of the manual umph. I barely have the sensation these days to accelerate quickly and when I did want to, it did nada!

 

Going above 3000 rpm on the 5th gear for the AT would mean a speed above 80mph, right?

 

so you're saying you are in 5th gear when you do this? That would probably be the reason then. At 80 mph in 5th the car's not even at 3000 RPM.

 

It sounds like you are in too high a gear. The TSX does not have a lot of torque, so when you floor it you also need to downshift at least one gear and sometimes two gears at the same time (or downshift right before you floor it).

When you throw it over to Drive, the computer knows that the gearing is too high and downshifts for you. For example, say you are in fourth, you floor it and nothing happens. Then you throw it over to Drive and the car says, "Ok, now I am ready to go". It says that because it put you in second gear rather than fourth gear.

At least 90 percent of the time I push the throttle to the floor, the gearshift also gets pulled to the rear at the same time -- at least once and often times twice. This engine needs RPM's to move the car. When you are in Drive and then floor the throttle, the computer will automatically downshift for you so you are not trying to accelerate in fifth -- or fourth. Fifth gear is an overdrive and useless for trying to accelerate. And, fourth gear is not much better. You need to be in second or third to accelerate.

 

@slobeatz:
Sorry for the mistake, I meant to say when downshifting to 3rd FROM 4th I get good acceleration, as expected.

@JimH:
I'm not sure the car is shifting when I throw it in D because the climb in rpms is smooth after I throw it in D. Again, I'll do some testing after work. It could be I am just doing something dumb.

TZ

 

Definately make sure which gear you're in.

 

From his first post, he got some acceleration from 2000rpm to 3000rpm then it just "hangs there"? Are you still flooring it as it reaches 3000rpm?

 

Yes, the pedal is to the floor but the rpms are steady at 3000.

TZ

 

Even IF you were in 5th in that case... since you were able to accelerate from 2k rpm to 3k, I see why I should get "stuck" at 3k... I still think something is wrong.

 

Hmm... does downshifting solve our problem?

 

Man... just re-read what I wrote there... what a mess-up job I did in the last part obviously no one cared to read what I wrote either + 1

Anyway, it should read: I DON'T see why it should get "stuck" at 3k rpm (after accelerating from 2k rpm onward)

 

@05_TSX_GP: I knew what you meant to say man.

Well, I had pretty much stop and go traffic all the way home, so I wasn't able to get into the higher gears much.

I have to retract my comment to Jim and acknowledge that the car does downshift (I was going 45mph in 4th, switch to D and gun it, switch back and saw I was in 2nd) which makes perfect sense to me now. When staying in 4th, I can barely get it over 3000 rpm while flooring it, but it rises very very slowly. Will try the same thing in 5th when I go to my dealer in 4 hours. Traffic should be down quite a bit by then.

So maybe we should just chalk this situation up to a typical AT driver who didn't realize what was going on behind the scenes when the car was in D?

I'll try some more things out, but if the gear is too high that makes sense to me now.

TZ

 

My AT is doing 65 mph in 2nd gear, sounds like you are in too
high of a gear.

In the 5 AT, if I want acceleration I always shift down when
pressing the gas, depend on speed you might need to downshift
two. I never floor, it think the car accelerates better
not floored but modulated.

I did have
trouble at first getting the feel of this car, where it was in the powerband
and when to shift. It's smooth and you can't hear it. It wasn't like the manual
cars I use to drive that I always knew what rpm it was and what gear I needed just from the engine pitch.

These things, the feel for the car and learning it's feedback come it time.
My car is modified now and I can hear the intake and exhaust and have
a little more feedback.

 

Yeah, I just got back from the dealer and played around a bit before taking her in for service. I agree that I must of been in too high of a gear. 4th and 5th creep very slowly in the RPMs as you reach 3000. 5th I can barely get over 3000 rpm, but I am also going 80mph at that point. I also confirmed that the car shifts down the 2nd or 3rd when in D as Jim had mentioned. The shifting is just so smooth that you can't even tell it happened.

So, it turned about to be a non-issue, and I am embarassed about my lack of knowledge on this subject. I really need to get someone to teach me to drive a MT! However, I am glad I asked because using the SportShift properly has made the car a whole lot more fun again!

Thanks again guys,
TZ

 

Yea with an intake when ever I down shift and use like 50% of throttle it gives a nice burst of acceleration. The nice qualities of a CAI

 

Don't worry about it, I deserve a too because I just tested everything out this morning and I was too high in a gear too.

 

I have the same issue, and was going to post about it.

I do not rememeber what gear, but in SS, i can come off a rolling stop at 3nd and floor the car and the rpms climb extremely slow, yet if i put the car in D , it jumps , almost as if the car downshifted in D mode...does that make any sense?

either way, i just downshift alot to avoid slowness....rmatic who wonders when his tranny will need to be replaced...from time to time it acts up on him.

 

See post #22 (https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=22)

It's just a case of being in too high a gear to be expecting much acceleration.

 

Glad you've figured it out and got a satisfactory explanation.

I don't think you need to know how to drive MT to enjoy SS mode, but knowing the basic mechanics of the drivetrain and gearings definitely helps

For instance, Mrs. 05_TSX_GP has the slightly idea about the mechanical stuff, probably only knows the faster the car goes, the higher gear it is in. She never even attemps to mess with the SS mode when we had our RSX 5AT. Though when I drive the RSX, it's always SS mode for me --- unless I had a coffee in hand or something (which for me, was just about the only real advantage of SS over MT)

 

Im sad to say that you guys just do not know how to use the sportshift right. You drive in way to high of a gear which causes you to get no acceleration drop it down to, 2nd or 3rd and youll really get going.

 

Have you guys not played Gran Tourismo

 

omg... if this is the case, the original poster is such a noob. haha. nice catch.

i can't believe how many people don't understand the concept of gears... mind boggleing.

 

Haha.... let's give the poor guy a break... he's already admitted his -ness

Don't take Tsx536's Gran Turismo advise though (he said , take note of that), real engines don't like bouncing off the rev limiter much