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rsx 0-60 and then misses 3rd

http://www.trashproductions.com/vids.../r4sx_0-60.zip

rsx 50-90

http://www.trashproductions.com/vids.../rsx_50-90.zip


tsx 0-60 WHEELHOP!
http://www.trashproductions.com/vids...d/tsx_0-60.zip


tsx injen intake flyby

http://www.trashproductions.com/vids.../tsx_flyby.zip

enjoy

cmf

That would have sucked for someone to have jumped out in front of you at a parking garage of all places. Cool none the less. Sounds good from the outside...now I know what other people are hearing outside.
Did I hear a little chirp from 1st to 2nd....nice

fdl

Cool vids. There are 2 things that stick out to me in the 0-60 vids..

1 - its pretty clear that the rsx is at least a second faster to 60, if not more.

2- That 1-2 shift on the TSX is brutal..the revs drop down to 4500 and the car just bogs. The rsx shifts to 2nd and drops to 6000 rpms where it is still pulling strong.

NightHawk CL9

yea that was a chirp but the floor that the parkinh lot of so slippery that it does chirp, but on th road i have never heard it chirp because of the fact , as fdl, points out the revs drop to 4500 RPM when shifting into 2nd. not enought power to really do anything

firedc5

soon my shifts willl land at 6500 cough hondata cough

provench

Just curious ... how did you conclude that? I see about 7 secs elapse (very roughly) in each video ...

But better yet ... published and track numbers show it to be more like .5 sec to 60 from what I recall. And what is great (after owning both cars) is it is MUCH easier to do it in the TSX in my opinion. Also ... should we talk about 5-60? My $1 goes on the TSX ...

fdl

It seemed like the elapsed time for the rsx was less, and it started from 0 mph. The TSX looked like it was already moving when the video starts.

I agree that 5-60 would go to the tsx.

RogerPodacter

I agree about the 1-2 shift on the TSX.

If the Honda engineers made 1st gear so high on the TSX to offset the heavy weight of the car, then why didnt they just move second gear closer to first gear? that way we would still have the high first gear. and they could have spaced the remaining 3-6 gears accordingly (i.e. made each slightly further apart, so the overall drive ratio would still be the same as it is now).

Maybe there is a different reaon for the 1-2 gear ratio. something just doesnt make sense.

firedc5

if you look closely i just revving for the first second..... the speedo actually starts to move a hair before t=1

5-60 can be done also.. yah we will see who wins.

kendroz

Its funny that in the Euro Accord Type S the 1st gear ratio is 3.533 and in the tsx is 3.27. Also the final ratio in the euro is 4.388 and in the tsx is 4.70.
Max speed in the euro is 142 mph.
I got the pdf file if someone is interested.

KD

YBlegal

hey looks like your tail lights were flashing left and right?? did you do that or is that just cause of lighting...?? looked pretty cool.

dom

According to my Timex the time for the RSX was about 7.7-7.8 while the TSX's time was about 7.9-8.0. I timed each video about 4 or 5 times each and got the same thing each time. Although it was harder to see the RSX hit 60 because of the camera jump.

I've also concluded that the TSX gauges are waaaayyyy better thean the RSX's.

I thought we were supposed to see video of a race?

NightHawk CL9

The RSX IS faster. He is running Injen CAI and has about 1000 RPM MORE in v-tec. The RSX also weights less by about 550 lbs. If you have taken any physics class u see that the torque alone on the TSX is not sufficient enough to make it faster than the RSX. And the TSX video to 60, the video started approx. .5sec after I dropped the clutch , hence u start hearding the wheelhop almost immedately. IMO the only way that the TSX can be faster then the RSX is if it had the EXTRA 1000RPM, revving and staying in v-tec that extra 1000rpm will make all the difference (maybe HONDATA and TODA can put something together to be able to do this). As for the 5-60 run i agree that here is where the TSX will be very close to the RSX, but if I and FireDC5 do the run he might have the "unfair" advantage because of the Yokohoma AVS ES 100, but non-the-less I will take one for the team and I will post results as they become availiable. As for the rematch video we are going to do that tomorrow and hopefully some video will be posted shortly.

dom

Nobody is doubting that. But by how much is the question. Hopefully we'll find out in the next vid.

Be careful guys....

firedc5

always

firedc5

7.7??

it was DEFINITELY less than 7 and a hair more than 6.. maybe 6.2-6.3.

remember i started 1 second into the vid... watch the speedo

dom

Ah, that would explain it. But it still looks to me like the speedo is at 0 at the beggining. Regardless, my stopwatch test was only to try and gauge the difference between the two cars. It definently took the TSX longer to hit 60, but not by much.

fdl

When the TSX vid starts its already at 15 - 20 mph. Who knows how much time elapsed before the vid started.

dom

Just noticed that. The vid starts with the TSX at just below 10MPH. We'll call it 9.

bmencig

Hi guys...A love this sound with CAI. It's really great :-)) I need to get it yesterday :-)))

leftride

iTrader: (1)

seems the rsx is definitely a little more race inspired.

I like the fly by vid and man I love the sound of the CAI! an empty parking lot would be more fun (maybe a little safer) but keep up the good work!

dowzer

I think the reason for keeping 2nd gear so tall is for 0-60 times. There was a writeup about this in a car mag a while ago (can't remember which one).

Notice that on pretty much every production car (if not all), 2nd gear will get you to 60 just before fuel cutoff? It's so that 0-60 runs only need one shift. Obviously this could (and for us, does) sacrifice optimal gearing, but I guess the extra shift would make the 0-60 times look bad compared to everyone else.

I think 1/4 mile times would be a different story. I could see 1/4 mile times dropping if the optimal gearing was chosen.

But there you have it - because of the importance of the 0-60 benchmark, this is the price we have to pay.

ctsport

Cool vids!

RogerPodacter

thats dumb though. maybe that would matter to the select few enthusiasts who hang out on forums like this (lol), but the majority of the population could care less. I would take properly-ratio-ed gears anyday.

besides, even with the 3rd shift, i bet the 0-60 times would be better than the large 1-2 shift with that engine bog.

Lung Fu Mo Shi

Mr. Video Editor (VirtualDub says)

RSX 0-60 = ~6.5sec.
TSX 9-60 = 7.8 sec.

Assuming RSX like 0-9 as a base, total 0-60 for the TSX = ~8.0sec (0.25 sec 0-9)

Althgouh I will say one thing...the TSX shifts SLOW in comparison to the RSX.

fdl

Cars dont shift slow, drivers do

RogerPodacter

Is it OK to quickly release the clutch going from 1st to 2nd on the TSX? It is such a big gear ratio difference that it feels like the drive train is undergoing tremendous stress when i "dump" the clutch going from 1-2...

fdl

I know what you mean. I think a little bit of gas and clutch slippage is needed for 1-2. The driver of the RSX seems to do it and I think it would help on the TSX.

firedc5

i didnt clutch slip during the shift.... i just shift ridiculously fast due to the short shifter.... my throws are like an s2k.. maybe a bit shorter...and my clutch is shorter.

But i guess its just driver... oh yah.... or not lol.

fdl

Hmm...maybe I need to watch the video again but it looked/sounded like your rpms spiked abit during the shift, almost like you were on the gas before releasing the clutch.

Why dont you guys switch cars and see how it goes

BTW fired, your sig doesnt work.

firedc5

yes it does... its the small advertisement for smith and wesson

fdl

Oh I thought it was supposed to be a pic of your car or something

NightHawk CL9

we would but then firedc5 will try to rev my tsx to 8100
and i would short shift his rsx at 7300

but yea we will try it someday... tried that with my previous car and it was fun so will try it again.

bmencig

And what are latest scores :-))))

firedc5

we didnt go on thursday.. cris had some biznach to take care of. Yah we raced last thursday from a 40 and... well.... you can figure out what happened...

bmencig

Yep...I can imagine :-)