There maybe hope for us TSX's
11-23-2007, 09:25 PM
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There maybe hope for us TSX's
As some of you may know I recently got a Comptech Supecharger. The gains are outstanding and the sound is amazing. I have been doing alot of research on adding a HBP (High Boost Pulley). It wouldn't work because of the A/F ratio and plus you would need bigger Fuel Injectors and would have no way to tune it. Well after serveral days of researching I noticed that AEM has come out with a new piggyback(AEM F/IC). I have given AEM a call and they said that it would work for our cars but has not been tested yet. It is the same type of unit that comptech uses for there SC(ACM) but is programable. It will bypass the ecu and will allow you to make changes to certain settings. At this point I have order the following:
-AEM Fuel / Injector Controller - A new product just out for AEM
http://www.dcsports.com/ViewCategory...CategoryID=116
-Custom Harness from Boomslang:
http://www.boomslang.us/
-550cc RC Fuel Injectors w/ Plug N Play Harness from RC
-3-1 Comptech High Boost Pulley (Should add 4-5psi)
The Supercharger for the RSX and the New Civic SI are the same as the one for the tsx so there HPB will work for our SC.
None of this has been tested for our cars but thought if this works out than we can have the whp we have been wanting. So I will take one for the team. Right now I am at 245 whp and with another 4-5psi and tunning capabilities I hope to hit 295 whp - 305 whp. I have talked with all the vendors about all the parts and they have told me everything should work so I am crossing my fingers. Mainstream Performance in Atlanta will be doing the install and the tuning of this project. I should be getting everything the 1st of next week and installing it the week prior.
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-AEM Fuel / Injector Controller - A new product just out for AEM
http://www.dcsports.com/ViewCategory...CategoryID=116
-Custom Harness from Boomslang:
http://www.boomslang.us/
-550cc RC Fuel Injectors w/ Plug N Play Harness from RC
-3-1 Comptech High Boost Pulley (Should add 4-5psi)
The Supercharger for the RSX and the New Civic SI are the same as the one for the tsx so there HPB will work for our SC.
None of this has been tested for our cars but thought if this works out than we can have the whp we have been wanting. So I will take one for the team. Right now I am at 245 whp and with another 4-5psi and tunning capabilities I hope to hit 295 whp - 305 whp. I have talked with all the vendors about all the parts and they have told me everything should work so I am crossing my fingers. Mainstream Performance in Atlanta will be doing the install and the tuning of this project. I should be getting everything the 1st of next week and installing it the week prior.
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11-23-2007, 11:17 PM
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geez 295 hp sounds real fun. how much would all that cost you? cheaper than the hytech? disregarding my previous statements, goodluck on this setup! sounds exciting.
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11-24-2007, 01:12 AM
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Hope it works out for you and that you get the results you desire! On a side note, I recall a honda tuning magazine where Venom made an OEM replacement hi-flow injector for the K-Series. Anyone have any more info on it, can't find it on the web..
..and keep us updated BigBen!
..and keep us updated BigBen!
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I am in the process of saving up for a Greddy e-Manage Ultimate + v-Manage for VTC tuning on the TSX using a Boomslang harness... I wonder why no one has tried this yet?
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The AEM F/IC looks interesting...
Hmmm I might just try a RSX K-pro + TSX ECU piggyback for other functions... Hytech Harness maybe? Hmmm.
I would really love to run a standalone.
Hmmm I might just try a RSX K-pro + TSX ECU piggyback for other functions... Hytech Harness maybe? Hmmm.
I would really love to run a standalone.
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
The AEM F/IC looks interesting...
Hmmm I might just try a RSX K-pro + TSX ECU piggyback for other functions... Hytech Harness maybe? Hmmm.
I would really love to run a standalone.
Hmmm I might just try a RSX K-pro + TSX ECU piggyback for other functions... Hytech Harness maybe? Hmmm.
I would really love to run a standalone.
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Originally Posted by CL9er
so who else... have run the dual ecu setup?
There are 7th gen Accords doing it too on Gen7Accord.net
Elements are also doing it as well...
http://www.hondata.com/kpro_element.html
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
I heard that Doug from Hondata has ran a TSX with dual ecus...
There are 7th gen Accords doing it too on Gen7Accord.net
Elements are also doing as well...
http://www.hondata.com/kpro_element.html
There are 7th gen Accords doing it too on Gen7Accord.net
Elements are also doing as well...
http://www.hondata.com/kpro_element.html
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Check this thread out too:
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?p=9011687
The basic concept was to "piggyback" the Kpro, while retaining the auto ecu to control the auto tranny. Kpro controls everything except the tranny and other minor things which i will not go into detail with as of yet. So basically, the will be running 2 ECU's. the main challenge was to make a wire harness that will allow operation of both ecu's.
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
11-24-2007, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
I am in the process of saving up for a Greddy e-Manage Ultimate + v-Manage for VTC tuning on the TSX using a Boomslang harness... I wonder why no one has tried this yet?
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
The AEM F/IC looks interesting...
Hmmm I might just try a RSX K-pro + TSX ECU piggyback for other functions... Hytech Harness maybe? Hmmm.
I would really love to run a standalone.
Hmmm I might just try a RSX K-pro + TSX ECU piggyback for other functions... Hytech Harness maybe? Hmmm.
I would really love to run a standalone.
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Originally Posted by Big Ben
From what I have heard you will lose alot of your controls (ie. Cluster,Cruise Control, etc...) That is what the Hytech system does so read up on that to make sure that the things you will lose won't matter.
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I was wrong on what I wrote. I found this from Mr. Heeltoe's post about the hytech system.
This is a custom dual ECU setup. Not endorsed by Hondata, but we assure
you it works. This is a racecar deal. That means thinks like traction
control and vehicle stability control are not going to function
properly, or at all probably. So for performance and whatnot it will
work fine. But we are not recommending for a street application!
If you have any questions regarding this I would ask him. He should know everything there is to know about dual ECU's.
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Originally Posted by Big Ben
I would definately call Greddy to make sure that works with our cars. Plus you will need something that works for I-Vtec. If that contoller does then it will be the 1st to control Ivtec.
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Originally Posted by Big Ben
It says it does work with I-Vtec but doesn't show our car as compatible. I would just make a phone call to make sure it works on our car.
i'll definitely wait to see how this one works out... got three projects in the works for the next few years... 2007-project EP3.... 2008-project teaser... 2009-project inspire... talk about breaking the bank
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the Greddy e-Manage Ultimate works on our cars as ppl from ozhonda have tried it recently =D
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79527
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79527
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It is good to finally see more options for our car.
CL9 - I saw that thread. I know it will work but would just be afraid of the functions that you may possibly lose.
enkay - how much of a difference is there in the tsx and the euro ecu?
CL9 - I saw that thread. I know it will work but would just be afraid of the functions that you may possibly lose.
enkay - how much of a difference is there in the tsx and the euro ecu?
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Update:
Well after some though and some help I decided to get a new fuel pump as well just in case. I got a 255 walbro fuel pump.
-wiring harness will be coming in Friday.
-AEM / RC Injectors will be coming in Friday
-Walbro 255 Fuel Pump (Buying from Shop)
Comptech ended up not having the 3.1 HBP so they referrred my to Pulley Boys (http://www.pulleyboys.com/) the pulley was actually alittle cheaper and they made a 3.0 pulley which will give me an extra pound of boost (10whp).
Still crossing my fingers
Well after some though and some help I decided to get a new fuel pump as well just in case. I got a 255 walbro fuel pump.
-wiring harness will be coming in Friday.
-AEM / RC Injectors will be coming in Friday
-Walbro 255 Fuel Pump (Buying from Shop)
Comptech ended up not having the 3.1 HBP so they referrred my to Pulley Boys (http://www.pulleyboys.com/) the pulley was actually alittle cheaper and they made a 3.0 pulley which will give me an extra pound of boost (10whp).
Still crossing my fingers
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Sounds like a great project man! The AEM module you showed has been mentioned in past threads and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. Unfortunately, I don't have money to invest in the TSX like I use to, or else I would be all over this project. I've research it all in the past though, and I think it's very doable. So keep us updated and best of luck! 
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Originally Posted by Highrev1
Don't use the 550's there no good. Get 650's...
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Sounds like a great project man! The AEM module you showed has been mentioned in past threads and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. Unfortunately, I don't have money to invest in the TSX like I use to, or else I would be all over this project. I've research it all in the past though, and I think it's very doable. So keep us updated and best of luck!
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Here is why the 550's are not good.
"A regular misfire will occur at a set RPM. This misfire would occur at the same RPM every time.
Reasons
1 - The spray pattern of the 550 injectors
2 - The position of the 550 injector
2 - The shape of the the manifold
3 - The speed of the blower (related to pulley size)
4 - The angle of the camshaft (VTC)
Altering any of these would alter the RPM at which the misfire would occur. We surmise that the fuel from the fuel injector was being blown backwards and (possibly) into another cylinder. We know the fuel is blown backwards as we have seen nice circular clean spots on the back of the JR manifold. Reversion also happens in NA engines. This is not unusual.
The fuel we suspect is being blown the wrong way as a result of the pulses coming from the blower at a particular speed interacting with the reversion pulses from the cylinder.
The easiest solution was to run 650 injectors which have a more diffuse spray pattern and inject the fuel over a shorter time period.
It would appear that a switch to 650 or 750 injectors will solve the problem. We would also suggest a fuel pump upgrade if you are nearing 300hp."
I have already worked with the FIC, it is a great unit although can be limited with our K-series as there is not control over VTC greatly effecting the "blow by" cause from the cam angles, or theoreticcaly increasing psi in the cylinder. Although you should have almost complete control over fueling and the ability to retard timing with this unit, Engagment on Vtec can be changed although you won't be able to play with cam angles which can gain some nice HP on our K's. I am working on a solution to allow for Cam angle changes with it but who knows if it will work. I am still waiting for a Hondata solution also
Whats your Rev limit set at?
I just don't post here much Here is why the 550's are not good.
"A regular misfire will occur at a set RPM. This misfire would occur at the same RPM every time.
Reasons
1 - The spray pattern of the 550 injectors
2 - The position of the 550 injector
2 - The shape of the the manifold
3 - The speed of the blower (related to pulley size)
4 - The angle of the camshaft (VTC)
Altering any of these would alter the RPM at which the misfire would occur. We surmise that the fuel from the fuel injector was being blown backwards and (possibly) into another cylinder. We know the fuel is blown backwards as we have seen nice circular clean spots on the back of the JR manifold. Reversion also happens in NA engines. This is not unusual.
The fuel we suspect is being blown the wrong way as a result of the pulses coming from the blower at a particular speed interacting with the reversion pulses from the cylinder.
The easiest solution was to run 650 injectors which have a more diffuse spray pattern and inject the fuel over a shorter time period.
It would appear that a switch to 650 or 750 injectors will solve the problem. We would also suggest a fuel pump upgrade if you are nearing 300hp."
I have already worked with the FIC, it is a great unit although can be limited with our K-series as there is not control over VTC greatly effecting the "blow by" cause from the cam angles, or theoreticcaly increasing psi in the cylinder. Although you should have almost complete control over fueling and the ability to retard timing with this unit, Engagment on Vtec can be changed although you won't be able to play with cam angles which can gain some nice HP on our K's. I am working on a solution to allow for Cam angle changes with it but who knows if it will work. I am still waiting for a Hondata solution also
Whats your Rev limit set at?
11-26-2007, 07:48 PM
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Here is why the 550's are not good.
"A regular misfire will occur at a set RPM. This misfire would occur at the same RPM every time.
Reasons
1 - The spray pattern of the 550 injectors
2 - The position of the 550 injector
2 - The shape of the the manifold
3 - The speed of the blower (related to pulley size)
4 - The angle of the camshaft (VTC)
Altering any of these would alter the RPM at which the misfire would occur. We surmise that the fuel from the fuel injector was being blown backwards and (possibly) into another cylinder. We know the fuel is blown backwards as we have seen nice circular clean spots on the back of the JR manifold. Reversion also happens in NA engines. This is not unusual.
The fuel we suspect is being blown the wrong way as a result of the pulses coming from the blower at a particular speed interacting with the reversion pulses from the cylinder.
The easiest solution was to run 650 injectors which have a more diffuse spray pattern and inject the fuel over a shorter time period.
It would appear that a switch to 650 or 750 injectors will solve the problem. We would also suggest a fuel pump upgrade if you are nearing 300hp."
I have already worked with the FIC, it is a great unit although can be limited with our K-series as there is not control over VTC greatly effecting the "blow by" cause from the cam angles, or theoreticcaly increasing psi in the cylinder. Although you should have almost complete control over fueling and the ability to retard timing with this unit, Engagment on Vtec can be changed although you won't be able to play with cam angles which can gain some nice HP on our K's. I am working on a solution to allow for Cam angle changes with it but who knows if it will work. I am still waiting for a Hondata solution also
Whats your Rev limit set at?
I just don't post here much Here is why the 550's are not good.
"A regular misfire will occur at a set RPM. This misfire would occur at the same RPM every time.
Reasons
1 - The spray pattern of the 550 injectors
2 - The position of the 550 injector
2 - The shape of the the manifold
3 - The speed of the blower (related to pulley size)
4 - The angle of the camshaft (VTC)
Altering any of these would alter the RPM at which the misfire would occur. We surmise that the fuel from the fuel injector was being blown backwards and (possibly) into another cylinder. We know the fuel is blown backwards as we have seen nice circular clean spots on the back of the JR manifold. Reversion also happens in NA engines. This is not unusual.
The fuel we suspect is being blown the wrong way as a result of the pulses coming from the blower at a particular speed interacting with the reversion pulses from the cylinder.
The easiest solution was to run 650 injectors which have a more diffuse spray pattern and inject the fuel over a shorter time period.
It would appear that a switch to 650 or 750 injectors will solve the problem. We would also suggest a fuel pump upgrade if you are nearing 300hp."
I have already worked with the FIC, it is a great unit although can be limited with our K-series as there is not control over VTC greatly effecting the "blow by" cause from the cam angles, or theoreticcaly increasing psi in the cylinder. Although you should have almost complete control over fueling and the ability to retard timing with this unit, Engagment on Vtec can be changed although you won't be able to play with cam angles which can gain some nice HP on our K's. I am working on a solution to allow for Cam angle changes with it but who knows if it will work. I am still waiting for a Hondata solution also
Whats your Rev limit set at?
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Yes, Josh... 
Your the best
Haven't been in here much maybee I should start Ben what your RPM limit so you know how fast your spinning your charger so you can theoretically find out you heat range. That would help you if you have done tuning before get a good basline of how much timing to take out.
Your the best Haven't been in here much maybee I should start
Ben what your RPM limit so you know how fast your spinning your charger so you can theoretically find out you heat range. That would help you if you have done tuning before get a good basline of how much timing to take out.
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Originally Posted by Highrev1
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Here is why the 550's are not good.
"A regular misfire will occur at a set RPM. This misfire would occur at the same RPM every time.
Reasons
1 - The spray pattern of the 550 injectors
2 - The position of the 550 injector
2 - The shape of the the manifold
3 - The speed of the blower (related to pulley size)
4 - The angle of the camshaft (VTC)
Altering any of these would alter the RPM at which the misfire would occur. We surmise that the fuel from the fuel injector was being blown backwards and (possibly) into another cylinder. We know the fuel is blown backwards as we have seen nice circular clean spots on the back of the JR manifold. Reversion also happens in NA engines. This is not unusual.
The fuel we suspect is being blown the wrong way as a result of the pulses coming from the blower at a particular speed interacting with the reversion pulses from the cylinder.
The easiest solution was to run 650 injectors which have a more diffuse spray pattern and inject the fuel over a shorter time period.
It would appear that a switch to 650 or 750 injectors will solve the problem. We would also suggest a fuel pump upgrade if you are nearing 300hp."
I have already worked with the FIC, it is a great unit although can be limited with our K-series as there is not control over VTC greatly effecting the "blow by" cause from the cam angles, or theoreticcaly increasing psi in the cylinder. Although you should have almost complete control over fueling and the ability to retard timing with this unit, Engagment on Vtec can be changed although you won't be able to play with cam angles which can gain some nice HP on our K's. I am working on a solution to allow for Cam angle changes with it but who knows if it will work. I am still waiting for a Hondata solution also
Whats your Rev limit set at?
I just don't post here much Here is why the 550's are not good.
"A regular misfire will occur at a set RPM. This misfire would occur at the same RPM every time.
Reasons
1 - The spray pattern of the 550 injectors
2 - The position of the 550 injector
2 - The shape of the the manifold
3 - The speed of the blower (related to pulley size)
4 - The angle of the camshaft (VTC)
Altering any of these would alter the RPM at which the misfire would occur. We surmise that the fuel from the fuel injector was being blown backwards and (possibly) into another cylinder. We know the fuel is blown backwards as we have seen nice circular clean spots on the back of the JR manifold. Reversion also happens in NA engines. This is not unusual.
The fuel we suspect is being blown the wrong way as a result of the pulses coming from the blower at a particular speed interacting with the reversion pulses from the cylinder.
The easiest solution was to run 650 injectors which have a more diffuse spray pattern and inject the fuel over a shorter time period.
It would appear that a switch to 650 or 750 injectors will solve the problem. We would also suggest a fuel pump upgrade if you are nearing 300hp."
I have already worked with the FIC, it is a great unit although can be limited with our K-series as there is not control over VTC greatly effecting the "blow by" cause from the cam angles, or theoreticcaly increasing psi in the cylinder. Although you should have almost complete control over fueling and the ability to retard timing with this unit, Engagment on Vtec can be changed although you won't be able to play with cam angles which can gain some nice HP on our K's. I am working on a solution to allow for Cam angle changes with it but who knows if it will work. I am still waiting for a Hondata solution also
Whats your Rev limit set at?
Thanks for the confirmation Josh
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so wait... with the AEM or Greddy would you still need a hondata reflash cuz us 07-08 tsx'ers are DYING for another option to grab some more power outta the engine.
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Originally Posted by TSX Wisc Badger
so wait... with the AEM or Greddy would you still need a hondata reflash cuz us 07-08 tsx'ers are DYING for another option to grab some more power outta the engine.