I guess this is why they say patience is a virture. We will just need to be patient.

 

Latest info.....

Talked to my tuner.
The kit would utilize the new GT3071 turbo. This is bigger and will provide more power than the GT28RS. Also, it will spool very quickly due to the extreme awesomeness of the new GT series turbos. Also it has an internal wastegate elimitating that "full-race" aspect of the kit. This kit should be able to break 300 whp on CA pump gas (91 with all kinds of crappy addititves) at around 8 psi. Boost will be set for us, and a boost controller to raise boost beyond that point will be optional.

The pricing for the kit is still up in the air, and will probably get close to $4000, BUT this will include a killer turbo, front mount, aluminum piping, reflash that is specifically tuned to this kit, a new oil pan with a pre-installed return fitting, and downpipe.

First prototype will be on an AT car.

Feedback?

 

BTW, this kit will be able to make a better torque number than the supercharger kits that will available. Also, know that as airflow increases on a turbo kit you get more power. On a supercharger, you are limited to power making ability with pulley size. The potential for making over 400 whp with our kit is very real with an optional turbo and stronger internals.

 

REFLASH???? Who is flashing it? Now I am curious. Talk to me man....

 

Was this a poke to get my interest??? HAHA it worked

 

Legit....no worries.

 

ok the reflash is legit or is the company name legit??? I WANNA KNOW!!! NEED TURBO..ADDICTED TO BOOST!!!!

 

Ok, so we can put you down as interested. Good to know! All you need to know is that I am going to oversee this thing and I have very specific requirements for quality and drivability.

 

Ok how bout this what about a standalone that is programable...lets say I build my motor and want to push 15 psi daily....I want to be able to tune it an detune it for street driving. See my goal here daily driven street car with decent power and when I hit the track turn up the boost and have everything ready for it. Come on MrHeeltoe talk to me man. I am a TURBO JUNKY. Been in turbo cars for the last 3 years. And I can't stop.

 

Pics of the RSX kit that we made:









These pipes are painted. I would like to do a powdercoat finish on them, but it may be cost-prohibitive.

This kit has a GT28RS turbo. Ours will be similar but a little bigger. Fitment should be a little roomier due to a larger TSX engine bay.

Intercooler may or may not require trimming of front bumper. What would you prefer? I am a non-trim proponent myself.

Note all clamps and fittings are high-end quality.

We may or may not use a really high dollar BOV. This one is expensive. We have access to some less expensive quality BOVs.

We will not be installing wrap on the downpipe. Again, this kit was optioned out. We would try to have many options avialble.


And lastly, try to direct any questions about this kit to me. Try not to hit up section 8 about it. They are busy building other people's turbo kits

Marcus
949-295-1668


Mods!!!! Thanks for letting me post!

 

You will need to build the turbo for that. We have to take one step at a time. Until a K-pro comes out, I am not sure what we can do about having different maps.

 

I'm callin you sometime today...What shop are you from....

 

You are not serious are you? Look left.

 

The name of the shop is heal toe? ok NM I'm stupid at the moment too caught up with this turbo stuff. You got me hyped.

 

hahha re-lax stokeless.. but i am with you.. someone neeeedddss to make a turbo kit for our car..

 

Turbo=my crack.:blaze: one up

 

I really wanna get this going, my main concern is that...if I make it, will enough of you buy it?

 

Depends on what it consists of I need more details before I say yes or no but I am interested. I would rather have a Standalone of some sort but if all you can get is a reflash then yes i am interested...also depends on cost and what not. But if you plan on using a piggy back then no I won't even consider it.

 

Mr heel toe, i think you sound like youll have a temporary monopoly on the FI area if you make this. SO YES, THERES INTEREST.

and for feedback, you said your testing on a AT car, my input is skip on the AT and make it for the MT, so its out quicker

 

It depends entirely on the performance of the prototype. I'm a 5AT user like you and am thrilled to hear you catering to my "side" of the community. I would love another FI option that would be good for use kicking around town. Cost is not so much an issue to me as performance and reliability is. As such I've been keen on seeing what the Comptech S/C yields in terms of pragmatic performance gains.

If the system you offer can beat it by a good margin, which I'm pretty sure will be the case, I would opt for it over the S/C.

Just out of curiousity, when would you expect to have a proof of concept available for dynographs and a photo shoot? Just a general ballpark, assuming everything were to go exactly as you want it with zero hiccups.

 

:blaze: already did man.. haha

 

id say go for it before other companies get theirs going..

i see cybernation might get there project going in some weeks *pending the purchase of their project tsx*.. comptech's SC is almost ready to be sold on the shelves within a month or so..

I will definitely be interested in all of these turbo kits that are coming out but i can only choose one. remember, although there may not be as many potential turbo heads for the tsx as there is for the rsx, there is still a handful or soo tsx'ers willing to TC there cars.

if the quality is right, the gains are right, if the fitment is right, and lastly if the price is right.. i know you said 4000, but for that much it better be worth it since cybernations turbo will come out for somewhat less than that while putting out as much if not more power..and comptech's SC will be in the same price range as well.. keep us updated..

 

I think the responses you'll get depend completely on the cost versus benefit overall. Even if it's expensive, if the gains are good enough, you'll be sure to have some buyers.

Do some market research (like using a menu of prices depending on performance / options) and see what would be the most "desirable" price/benefit combination for TSX owners. Try to get enough people to take your "survey" to get a good roughly representative sample of TSX owners.

Don't forget that people will tend to exaggerate their willingness to buy, though... since some will balk when it actually comes down to forking out the $$$. A quick rule of thumb might be: Of those who say they will ABSOLUTELY BUY, only 80% will really do it. Of those who say they will PROBABLY BUY, only 20% will really do it. The rest never will.

Also, making a kit that can be cheaply modified (for you) to allow it to work on both MT and AT will definitely maximize your potential customer base. But... limit your customer base if it'll be too expensive (production or dev costs) to cater to both. If it comes down to choosing only one group, consider which group of customers (MT or AT) would be willing to pay more (I bet it would be MT peeps) giving you a better margin per kit sold.

Overall, be really careful, though. With Comptech, etc. getting into FI for the TSX, losses due to competition may not make it worthwhile in the end.

Good luck!

 

good advise everyone!

Standalone is out, as is a piggyback. One is too complicated and the other is simply not good enough.

As far as catering to AT, I am only doing so since my car is AT and that is what the prototype will be made on. MT SHOULD be the same or similar, so I am really not worried about getting both cars covered.

On the cost/benifit...I am including as much as I can! The most reliable power that is realistic with the best quality material we can put in. The price of the kit would be lowered with steel piping, worm drive clamps, and other cut corners, but none of us really want that.


Here is the list of what the $4k will buy:

GT3071 tubro (ball bearing)
Bar and plate intercooler
aluminum piping
reflashed ecu with custom program
RC injectors
fuel pump
NEW oil pan with fitting preinstalled
cast or tubular manifold....still figuring
downpipe

Of course, to make the most power, there are other essential parts of the story...will you run a cat? You need an exhaust to make peak power that is not included. etc......but I am confident of the power. This is a turbo kit. If it make 10 less horsepower than the other guy's kit, there are at least 2 dozen reasons why. Not the least of which are dyno conditions, dyno type, fuel type, and safety of the tune! None of these variables can be proven in any marketing scheme or claim. Beyond that, a super charger is far less tunable and upgradable than a turbo kit, in addition to not able to provide the same baseline numbers. A Honda's better response to a turbo is enough of an advantage of a supercharger any day in my book.

 

What size and brand of intercooler? My turbo manifold is almost done. It is tack welded just not all the seams. Maybe if I sent you some pix of it you wouldn't have to R&D the manifold just copy the one I already have made. Its equal length...but the flange is designed for a T3/T4....

 

For $4k that's a good amount of mods. I'm sure there's a way we can incorporate a BOV in there for that much money.

I'm definitely interested in the kit you're making. It looks 10x better than the CN kit. I've had 1st hand experience with the CN kit, and although they make decent power, they cut every corner imagineable. As for the piping...I'd prefer it to be polished...if not polished, then powdercoated. The painted pipes won't look so hot after some wear and tear!

Just make a RELIABLE kit with good power, and I'm sure that in itself will convince a lot of us to buy your kit.

 

Yeah, a BOV is included as well, forgot to mention it.

I think you are right about the quality/reliability aspect. Even though this kit may not make the biggest peak number of any out there, it is enough to make the car significantly faster. Also, it is possible to turn up boost to get more power if you feel daring. Out of the box, it should be a good kit. We will keep working on it!

 

Marcus I have a question..ok this kit is basing everything off of the stock motor. Now will you be able to reflash the ECU again if the car is built? Lets say I get 9:1 Pistons and stronger rods sleeve the block and have it blue printed and balanced. Now I should be able to run 15 psi with the correct tuning. Will you have a reflash available again for that? If not could we come back to you and have the car retuned?

 

Yes, off of stock....but for your question I am really not 100% sure what to say....you are really going to need to wait for a K-pro for that. It is possible to have it tuned and reflashed for your setup, but it would be very expensive.

 

Ok just wanted to know if it was possible. Thing is I don't think they will ever get a Kpro so this is very appealing to me. I want my 400 whp and I am really trying to find a way to get it. I want 13's maybe high 12's in the 1/4. With a full interior =)

 

OK... so what's the status of this kit as of now? Is it in production yet?

 

Good Question

 

I was just dicussing the possibility of adding a turbo on another thread earlier today. I was kinda discouraged about the possiblity of a turbo kit for AT cars. I had resigned myself to mostlikely going with the SC, but I would prefer turbo.

I would be very interested and I would be willing to pay at least as much as the Comptech SC kit is selling for.

I was kinda hoping that Garrett would do it. It should not be all that difficult to modify the RSX K20 kit to work on the K24. I guess as long as you are going to use a Garrett turbo it is the next best thing.

Also the 06 K24 would seem to be a better candidate for a tubo than the previous models.
Acura has vastly improved the strength of the K24 as well as improved many parts. it is almost as if they were addressing every weakness and tuner complaint that I have read about regarding this engine. According to February issue of Honda Tuning Page 50, 51:

"it breathes better now, thanks to an increase in intake and throttle body diameters, a valvetrain gifted with bigger intake valves and more robust cams and an exhuast opened up as much as 5mm in some sections, but engineers at Acura dug deeper than that. It appears that a real effort was made to make the motor more bullet proof. For 06' the K24 crank is purportedly stronger and comes with additional balance weight. the valve reliefs in the pistons are deeper, the rods are stronger. heck even the crankcase has been drilled to reduce cylinder to cylinder pumping pressure. "

Sounds like it is turbo ready.

I get my NHB / Ebony 06 TSX AT w/navi on Monday.

I have to admit though that I would not be willing to put money down on a preorder until I know that the system / kit has been thoroughly vetted, tested and proved reliable and high quality. With the Comptech SC kit, we have been able to follow its development and testing through Comptechs site, Hondata, and feature articles about its development in several tuner mags like Honda Tuning and Super Street.

I think it would be a worthwhile project however and encourage you to develop it.

 

The best part is, you could have a small turbocharger system custom-built for your TSX for half of what the Comptech SC costs, if you find a way to control the ECU.

 

If you guys find any other alternatives for the fuel management system then please post them on this thread.

 

Hydra Engine Management System Nemesis 2.1

check out the "Application" section...should be out this month for the TSX DBW

 

i am also intrested, whats the status of the turbo right now? well i pretty much broke right now so i need time to save up some money, hopefully is a lot cheaper than the comptech S/C and with higher gains.

 

I am also intrested, whats the status? How will this affect my factory warranty?

 

I think this project was put on hold until he found a decent FMU/EMS for the kit.

 

anything new Hell toe???