Excelerate

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Of those who have installed the product I want a list of how the install went or if you have any issues. I want to see the year of the TSX, tranny type, and issue encountered or not encountered. If your install went fine please post up also. I have already emailed Ingalls but I want to collect some data for them. Also did you adjust the damper and how much?

peter_bigblock

I'm bummed to hear that there are clearance and fitment issues, this is a mod I'd love to do but don't like the idea of it touching the hood liner, a/c lines, etc. Probably sours it for me, I can only assume the original test didn't reveal these issues. Bummer.

JTso

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I can see where the problem is by looking at the pics above. The motor mount bracket is too far away from the ABS motor to clear the recessed area on the hood liner. The recessed area is designed to clear the highest spot above the ABS motor (brake lines). Therefore, the top of the bracket can't be higher than that height.

Here are two pics for reference. Note the ETD mounting location in reference to the power steering line. The Ingalls bracket needs to move toward the ABS motor by at least 1/2" or so. By doing so, it also clears the power steering pulley and provide more room for the UR PS pulley if so equipped.

Audioserf

Thanks, Josh. Here's my info:

- 2004 TSX, 6MT
- Issues encountered: ETD bracket hitting hood liner, ETD bracket making contact with ABS motor
- Damper not adjusted from factory setting

CGTSX07

2007 TSX, 6MT
ETD bracket punctured my hood liner
Damper not adjusted from factory setting

CGTSX07

so in the pics that JTSo posted, we definitely need a new engine bracket and we might also need a new stiffy. It does not look like the stiffy can be adjusted to the new bracket length. This doesn't look like something we can fix ourselves.

lcrazyaznl

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05 AT
Only trouble isntalling was the bracket for the chasis has trouble ecasue the strut bar so we had to pull out the strut collum to fit it in.

Then it barely fit in betwen those black lines, and its really close to the stiffy.

'06PwpTSX

06, 6MT at factory 14mm. The bracket and the stiffy itself is hitting the hood liner. put some dynamat between the ac lines and the stiffy bolt, i also put some dynamat on the rounded side of the bracket to act as a barrier between the bracket and abs motor. although i am confident the dynamat acts as a good barrier, i am not happy i had to use it in the first place.

jiggaman

JTSO kudos to you man. You don't even specialize in creating these products and your finished product is better than Ingalls.

That says alot about your engineering skills. You should go into aftermarket parts business full time. (for acuras of course)

vthree

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i guess im not going to install mine today.. =/ considering i never reinstalled the hoodliner on the new hood after my wreck. puncturing the hood would not be good...

n1ke5h

'06 TSX MT
Hoodliner problem encountered. I think the vibration noise I'm hearing is the hood being vibrated against the radiator/condensor in the front somewhere along the grill. Happens when a/c is on and/ or during idling on slopes.

I think the design is definately defect and Ingalls needs to do something about this. I loved the functionality of the mod, but if's damaging my car, it's not worth it. I'm probably removing it whenever I get a chance.

Josh, I hope you can convince Ingalls to revise the product and conduct a recall for those who have already purchased it.

Audioserf

I'm taking mine off this weekend until a solution is reached. I'm hoping for a recall.

rex.

hmm.. so we should raise some money to send JTso on an all expense paid trip to Ingalls..

CGTSX07

Recall and/or refund...I don't know if I would want to wait for them to redesign the parts. I am out $135 with a defective product and a punctured headliner, I would like something right away.

I also noticed the OP's ETD is around the same location mine is, so there is a pretty good chance his is doing the same thing as well.

Audioserf

I agree. A refund would be preferrable to having to wait for new parts.

TSX2345

05 6MT - Hood liner issue, stock setting.

I also grinded the bracket to allow clearance with the UR pulleys

Reach

2006 AT TSX
- Hood liner punctured just like CGTSX07
- Bracket did not clear UR PS pulley by more than 1/8" at best. I use a grinder to get ~ 1/4" extra clearance for it.
- Both rubber washers cracked and fell off assembly within 2 days of installation, vibrations became worse.

I will be uninstalling this tonight. Its a shame.

Excelerate

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Ok, please be patient guys. I just spoke to Ingalls. Out of the words of their mounts, "they are knee deep" into it and they are working to come up with a solution. They said they didn't have any of these issues on their test cars. However, they have both engineers working on this project right now. As I know more you will.

Also, a side note, if you had to modify your bracket b/c of UR pulley that is not really an issue. Ingalls did not design the bracket to work w/ the UR pulley. They designed it to work with the stock pulley so if you filed it down that is fine but it really isn't a defect on Ingalls part.

Excelerate

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Is it possible you overtorqued the bolts b/c those rubber o-rings are thin and overtorquing them will cause them to crack. I believe the Ingalls instructions say you only need about 16-18 ft lbs of tq on that bolt and nut setup.

CGTSX2004

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Hmm...glad I didn't install mine yet, then.

xjohnkdoex

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lol @ 'they are knee deep.'

i'm glad i didn't install mine yet. for those of you with the UR pulleys--now that you know the clearance is marginal at best between the bracket and pulley, do you plan to keep the stiffy on? grind it down? not use it at all?

also, if you grind down the metal, will it rust?

montebello13

^ same here

After the UR pulley concerns, i was worried about other compatability issues so i held off on the installation.

I was plannin on Pulley + Flywheel next month too

clee109

I have the UR pulleys and have yet to install the stiffy because I'm waiting on an answer from Ingalls about the bracket and hood liner issue. However; if you look closely at the bracket you will notice some vertical lines along it that were put there by the machine that bends the metal. I am going to file, or grind the bracket down until it meets these lines, it should provide more than enough clearance for the pulleys and I don't think that would damage the integrity of the bracket at all. However; for the hood liner it looks like if you were file that down by about an 1/8th of an inch it would loose alot of it's integrity and might break. My hypothetical fix will be to close the hood so it punctures the liner then take a knife and just cut a square of it out.

I'll attempt the install sometime later in the week when I get the time and post pictures of my results.

Hopefully Ingalls will just re-engineer the bracket and send us all a new one, but until then I'm going to give it a shot!

chuson

I still haven't receive my ETD yet but I will wait till all issue solved before installing it.

A lot of us here has the UR pulleys, it simply NOT Ingalls fault, but they should have put that in their mind when designing it.

Can anyone had STOCK pulleys speak out and let us know if there's clearance issue w/ your Ingalls ETD?

CGTSX07

I have stock pulleys, the only clearance issue is with the hoodliner slamming down on the ETD.

xjohnkdoex

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i only ask b/c i was planning to get the UR pulley's down the road, but just ended up getting the ETD b/c it's a relatively cheap mod.

if there is an issue and i don't have the means to grind it down, i'd rather have the pulleys than the ETD.

steeveage

While they're redesigning they may as well take into account the non-stock pulley issue as well, especially if like some of you have said it's as simple as removing bracket material.

Thanks Excelerate for keeping us in the loop. Like many others I'm holding off on installation for now.

globlctzn

Sucks you guys are having problems, I don't think the end product is any different than the one I have. I did notice the ETD touches the hood liner but it just leaves a impression on it, it hasn't torn anything. I deffinatly have no clearance issues with the ABS lines or that cylinder underneath, I watched for that closely and we ran a clump of clay taped to the stiffy for 2 months to see if it was touching anything. The clay had no impressions on it when the prototype was taken off. I haven't heard anything from ingalls but after reading whats going on I'm expecting a call soon.

EDIT: for the hood clearance issues have you guys checked your hood adjustment? could be closing too low, just an idea.

spoonfed

After hearing a couple replys about issues I haven't installed mine yet.
Now there are even more people with issues.
I was thinking of trying to modify the bracket they supplied but I think I'll wait in case there is a solution.
It's too bad because I was really looking forward to installing this.
Might have been my favorite mod.

Audioserf

I have stock pulleys. The issues are contact with the hoodliner and contact with the ABS motor/cylinder.

Audioserf

I don't know about any other Cusco strut bar users, but I took my ETD off just now and even after only five days of use, the chassis-side ETD bracket had dug into the lower A/C line pretty damn badly. This is probably caused by the A/C lines being sandwiched between the Cusco bar and the ETD. So take this as a precaution, make sure to get some foam rubber or Dynamat or something if you plan to install this with the Cusco.

PrecyseStylez

I am trouble free!! Mine isn't really protruding thru the liner though!.. I have the ETD set the way it came factory and nothing has broken. I have vibration but its nothing bad.. no access sounds accept when the AC is on.. Are you guys slamming your hoods closed??

zidenx

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i don't slam my hood, i close it and then push it down hard enough for it to lock.

do0oooo0d

Installed mine 4 days ago, the liner inside it doesn't look too bad to where it will damage my hood. I also have the UR pulley kit and I didn't grind it down, so far i haven't heard anything rubbing. Overall I love this mod only problem is the noise for the first 10 minutes or so.

Excelerate

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Anyone who has the UR pulleys can just grind the bracket down slightly. There are some FG2 (06+ Civic Si) guys running the Ingalls ETD w/ aftermarket pulley kits and they just ground down the bracket slightly too. Ingalls probably chose not to b/c the test cars they had didn't have them. I don't think that's really an issue and that should be left up to the customer to do the grinding. The bracket touching the liner should be taken care of. Again, if it's just making an indent or as someone said below a slight impression you shouldn't really be concerned. The hood moves up with the chassis and the bracket is attached to the chassis. It's not going to jump up and dent the hood if it's just bearly touching the underliner. However, Ingalls should take care of that issue and they will.

Audioserf

Josh have you also made them aware that for some people the ETD's engine bracket is coming into contact with the ABS motor cylinder in the engine bay. I think two people other than me have also encountered this and I wanted to make sure they were aware of that as well as the hood issue. Thanks.

PrecyseStylez

Why is this an issue with only a few of us? Every motor and ETD bracket is made the same, correct??

KingTSX

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04' M6T
Hood liner rubbing rubbing issue
Abs motor/ingalls bracket clearance problems
Spring Washer crumbled between ETD and first adjustment nut
13mm setting
Stock pulleys

lcrazyaznl

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05 AT
hood has a puncture but that part of the hood is solid so it might be hitting the hood i'm putting something soft inbetween
I didn't adjust it but i looked at it today my ur pulleys are riduclously close to the engine bracket im afraid when i do hit the pedal the engine will move and my belt will scrape on the engine bracket....

Tangoman

04 6MT Stock Pulleys

Alright, here are my impressions.

I don't have the UR pulleys, and I seem to have about 1/8 inch clearance between the stock pulley and the engine bracket...

HOWEVER: I don't have any vibration issues, so I didn't even touch my grinder.

As for the hood liner issue, I don't have it... so I guess I must have gotten lucky.

But, I dropped the thick washer down into the abyss of my engine bay, never to be seen again, so we'll see how that changes things.

As for driving impressions... this thing is pretty cool... it definitely gets rid of the engine rocking when you get on and off the gas in sixth gear, due to the drive by wire. (Used to drive me crazy on the highway)

The clutch seems to engage quicker (since the engine used to rock against the mounts, then the car would move, those milliseconds are saved by just immediately transferring torque to move the car, not the engine).

And there is a noticeable vibration at lower RPMs, and those same vibrations seem to resonate throughout the engine bay at higher rpms (4-7k) and it actually sounds pretty cool. I left the stiffy at the stock "stiffness" but I did have to loosen the jam nut to install it, so it might have moved slightly.

All considered, I am pretty happy with it, I hope you guys get through your problems!